Opinions - Swim's questions about Methadone (First time usage)

[cybergenesis]

Swim has been trying for ages to get some opiates. All Swims friend could get were speed and XTC etc, but Swim does not do these drugs...

Well Swim has finally secured some opiates, in 6 days Swim gets some methadone, with a high chance of getting some Morphine or other pills in the weeks following...

Swim didn't want to do Methadone as his introduction to opiates, but its the thing he can get first at this stage.

The guy Swim knows takes 150mg of Methadone per day, but on sundays or something gets "take away".

Swims friend says he will give Swim around 15mg or so of methadone from the liquid. Should this be safe? Swim won't OD on 15mg will he? Swim is a very large guy, around 110kg, so opiates should effect Swim somewhat less than a lighter person?

Swim hears Methadone isn't quite as euphoric as other opiates, even for an opiate naive person like Swim? Is this because it takes a few hours to gradually take effect? Swim doesn't care too much about euphoria, Swim wants opiates to relax and "chill".

Does methadone tend to have a different side effect profile from other opiates? Swim is a bit nervous, is there anything anyone can add about methadone that would be of interest? Swim knows methadone lasts longer than other opiates, which is good as far as Swim is concerned though Swim does have naltrexone if it lasts too long, though it is unlikely Swim would take the naltrexone. Swim would only take the naltrexone is he was puking his guts up constantly and medicine from the chemist didn't help etc.

[msmogadon]

15ML is a good amount to start off with for an opiate naive person. Don't let SWIM take anymore just yet. See if he feels comfortable with it first and does not experience nausea or any other undesirables.
Go for the meth first and see what SWIM thinks before going for the morphine. It could be that opiates are not SWIMs cup of tea.
One of SWIMS 'acquaintances' gave his mate 50mls and he went green/white and was puking all day. SWIM was mad - what a waste of perfectly good methadone which could have sorted out SWIM FOR 2 DAYS LOL
BUT THATS THE WAY IT GOES
oH YEA Methadone is not euphoric to someone that takes it everyday. But it may be for someone not used to high doses or who hasn't taken it for a couple of days
and please tell SWIM to PLEASE stay away from Naltrexone. The meth will wear out by itself and Naltrexone is HELL in a pill

[cybergenesis]

Thanks heaps for your advice. Swim always gets nervous when trying something new, Swim has a bit of a fear of side effects etc, Swim doesn't care about side effects so long as they aren't dangerous ones

Swim doesn't know much about the dosing because Swim's friend will measure it out, and Swim will figure that out on the day. But Swim presumes you mean 1ML contains about 1mg of methadone in the typical solution which it comes in?

Because Swim is not addicted Naltrexone wouldn't cause Swim any nasty withdrawl syndrome. Swim would only consider taking the naltrexone if Swim is SEVERELY disliking the effects of opiates.

Swim is all excited. Swims cousin shall be joining Swim on the methadone adventure, something which will be very strictly only an occasional indulgence.

PS Swim will write post a detailed report on this site about how Swim and Swims cousin experience goes.

[duhduhduhda]

15ml is a good starting point but it takes about an hour to kick in and NEVER re-dose expect an almost all-day opiate high
the first time swim tried this amazing chem he took 20 mgs or half of a wafer and it had him noddin for like 9 hours straight
quick warning though don't let swiyou develop a physical addiction because methadone w/d's are absolutely excrutiating and last forever

and to repeat msmogadon's warning fuck the naltrexone unless swiyou is od'ing
and wait for 24hrs after taking the methadone before ingesting any other opiates or swiyou won't feel them

[chillinwill]

Originally Posted by cybergenesis

Thanks heaps for your advice. Swim always gets nervous when trying something new, Swim has a bit of a fear of side effects etc, Swim doesn't care about side effects so long as they aren't dangerous ones

Swim doesn't know much about the dosing because Swim's friend will measure it out, and Swim will figure that out on the day. But Swim presumes you mean 1ML contains about 1mg of methadone in the typical solution which it comes in?

Because Swim is not addicted Naltrexone wouldn't cause Swim any nasty withdrawl syndrome. Swim would only consider taking the naltrexone if Swim is SEVERELY disliking the effects of opiates.

Swim is all excited. Swims cousin shall be joining Swim on the methadone adventure, something which will be very strictly only an occasional indulgence.

PS Swim will write post a detailed report on this site about how Swim and Swims cousin experience goes.

I highly would recommend not even thinking about taking the naltrexone unless one is OD'ing and using this to reverse the opiate high, which is wht Narcan is used for. If opiates are still in one's system and naltrexone or any other opiate antagonist is taken, it will completely eliminate the high and put someone into withdrawal which feels like absolute hell.

[frankz81]

swim too is from australia,
remember,
his take away dose will be diluted with a preservative and something to prevent injection,an alcohol mix.
the methadone will be 5mgs per 1ml, in australia it is everywhere.
is it the pink or brown syrup??

make sure u measure and see him measure the whole amount to work out what 15mgs is. remember 30mgs and u are reaching a lethal dose for non tolerant. also can swim ask where abouts in australia swiy is from as swim has no troubles sourching opiates in adelaide

frankz81 added 8 Minutes and 57 Seconds later...

in all honesty, swicyber should get physeptone, 10mg methadone tabs instead. if swim iv's physeptone, its as good as oxys ,while iving the syrup is alot slower and just keeps swim happy.
but measure correctly,if its not diluted it will have 30ml in the bottle,if its diluted , expect around 100mls of total liquid in it.

[cybergenesis]

Originally Posted by chillinwill

I highly would recommend not even thinking about taking the naltrexone unless one is OD'ing and using this to reverse the opiate high, which is wht Narcan is used for. If opiates are still in one's system and naltrexone or any other opiate antagonist is taken, it will completely eliminate the high and put someone into withdrawal which feels like absolute hell.

Umm yes Swim knows it will kill the opiate high but it wouldn't put Swim in withdrawl because Swim is a first time user and have absolutely no addiction?? And again Swim would only do it as a last resort. Swim just has naltrexone handy to increase safety.

cybergenesis added 6 Minutes and 21 Seconds later...

Originally Posted by frankz81

swim too is from australia,
remember,
his take away dose will be diluted with a preservative and something to prevent injection,an alcohol mix.
the methadone will be 5mgs per 1ml, in australia it is everywhere.
is it the pink or brown syrup??

make sure u measure and see him measure the whole amount to work out what 15mgs is. remember 30mgs and u are reaching a lethal dose for non tolerant. also can swim ask where abouts in australia swiy is from as swim has no troubles sourching opiates in adelaide

frankz81 added 8 Minutes and 57 Seconds later...

in all honesty, swicyber should get physeptone, 10mg methadone tabs instead. if swim iv's physeptone, its as good as oxys ,while iving the syrup is alot slower and just keeps swim happy.
but measure correctly,if its not diluted it will have 30ml in the bottle,if its diluted , expect around 100mls of total liquid in it.

Swim expects that his friend probably knows what he is doing as Swim friend has been on it for many years and given it to other people before, however Swim will verify the maths himself to make sure Swim is not getting more than 15mg. Swim will also have cousin present who will also verify the maths (so 3 people will check it). Swim will just be taking it orally. This is because its Swims first time experience. Swim probably will not get into IV, at least Swim would only IV l medical grade solution which is made to be IVed.

Not sure what colour the solution is, Swim didn't ask yet. Does the solution settle? Like if its not moved around can the methadone settle and contentrate at the bottom? Should it be stirred before measuring it out?

[chillinwill]

I stand corrected....It wouldn't precipitate withdrawal since SWIY isn't addicted but it would totally stop the high and make SWIY quite agitated and anxious

[frankz81]

agreed you wouldnt suffer withdrawls if you are not physically dependant, jus kill the high, but if its proper narcan, it has a half life of 2-3 minutes so the high will come back pretty quickly and u will feel it again, as once the narcan is gone u will have most of the methadone still in you. but if u genuinely need it, like u are passed out, obviously use the narcan and get urself to the ER as you have only just brought yourself sometime, the meth is only reversed for a short period.

the methadone will not settle to the bottom of the solution, i imagine the alcohol would dissolve the pure methadone syrup even further than what it is. there is no visible ingredients in it,its all liquid. you will either get methadone that looks brown or pink. thats all we have. the BROWN tastes AWFUL!! i would throw up 2-3 days a week when i was on it, i would be gagging for 1/2 hr after having it, aslong as i held it in to absorb most of it i would be ok. it really was that bad, and diluting it with the crap they use doesnt make it any better, hence why swim used to IV his take aways, with a butterfly needle, and a few 10ml barrels
anyways the pink stuff isnt as bad and is more common, only 2-3 chemists have the brown stuff i beleive. its alot sweeter, i think its the one with sugar and the brown is the new one,if u talk to ur friend he would prob know what i am on about.

let u sknow how u go

[Herbal Healer 019]

Since this is SWIYs 1st time with any opiate (from what I read; correct me if I'm wrong), I would highly advise SWIY to rethink that 15mgz. I read an erowid report describing some1's experience with only 1mg of methadone in which the dude ended up vomiting naked in his shower praying to god 16 hours after dosing, still high & sick as hell. Imagine what 15mg has the potential to do.

A friend of a friend has a relatively low tolerance (if any) to opiates & has a good constant supply to some strong opiates/oids such as poppy pods & buprenorphine which had powerfully euphoric & intensly numbing effects in addition 2 some really overwhelming nausea from only ever so slightly overestimating the dose (with buprenorphine, another Junkie maintainence drug, less than a mg) & the nausea was no picnic. With longer acting opiates (poppy pods, bupe, & methadone), overestimating a dose will seriously fuck ur shit up for a long time (projectile vomiting, being flushed and shaky & the likes) & it seems like forever unlike with oxycodone & hydro if you fuck up. So basically just start real low & go from there is the best advice.

[chillinwill]

Here's what happened to my friend Red Rock when he first dosed on methadone. THe only other opiates he had done at the time with hydrocodone and codeine. At college, he met someone on methadone who had the 40mg wafers. Well he sold one to Red Rock and Red Rock took 10mg and waiting around 2 hours and didn't feel much so took another 10mg and was sick as hell for the rest of that day and the next day causing him to miss classes. He way praying that the experience would just end. This was all way before he became addicted to opiates and he had no tolerance issues

[cybergenesis]

Originally Posted by Herbal Healer 019

Since this is SWIYs 1st time with any opiate (from what I read; correct me if I'm wrong), I would highly advise SWIY to rethink that 15mgz. I read an erowid report describing some1's experience with only 1mg of methadone in which the dude ended up vomiting naked in his shower praying to god 16 hours after dosing, still high & sick as hell. Imagine what 15mg has the potential to do.

A friend of a friend has a relatively low tolerance (if any) to opiates & has a good constant supply to some strong opiates/oids such as poppy pods & buprenorphine which had powerfully euphoric & intensly numbing effects in addition 2 some really overwhelming nausea from only ever so slightly overestimating the dose (with buprenorphine, another Junkie maintainence drug, less than a mg) & the nausea was no picnic. With longer acting opiates (poppy pods, bupe, & methadone), overestimating a dose will seriously fuck ur shit up for a long time (projectile vomiting, being flushed and shaky & the likes) & it seems like forever unlike with oxycodone & hydro if you fuck up. So basically just start real low & go from there is the best advice.

I have read various comments on various forums about that Erowid account and it seems the generally consensus is that its a load of rubbish. 1mg of methadone would be less strong than taking a panadeine forte I think. It seems highly likely that either the report is nonsense, a freak occurance or the guy got his dosage info mixed up (perhaps a typo).

I am confident 15mg is not too high. I am not concerned about the risk of nausea or side effects, so long as I don't physically OD and drop dead. If I get sick in the stomach, I get sick in the stomach. I've had bad food poisoning a few times in my life- I will live. I WANT a strong experience. I am a very large guy, and i have ready plenty of experiences with people dosing around 10mg. I have also read various people doing a first time dose of 15mg-20mg. While I am opiate naive, I generally seem to have a very high tolerance to depressants. I used to be a very heavy drinker, and I can take a lot of benzos before they do much. I am also quite tolerant to neuroleptic drugs which I have done from time to time. While I am opiate niave, i have taken panadeine forte and the last time i took 3 x panadine forte I couldn't even feel ANYTHING at all.. But nonetheless I am probably going to do about 10mg at first, if I feel okay around 2 hours, and the effect is not very strong then I'll probably add the 5mg (roughly). I'm also getting anti-nausea medicine from the chemist and remember i have naltrexone just in case things get REALLY bad Remember I am NOT addicted, Naltrexone would NOT cause withdrawl after a single dosing.

I also have read that its not uncommon to start first time pain management patients on 10mg per day of methadone (and recreational doses of opiates are generally somewhat higher than pain management doses), within a couple of days (due to the long half life), they would have a lot more in their blood than taking a single 15mg dose. No I am confident that 15mg, especially for a large guy like me is not going to be too much. I just don't want a really weak experience. That would be a major disappointment. While I haven't done this before, with depressants in general it usually takes me a LOT to knock me around.

cybergenesis added 9 Minutes and 36 Seconds later...

Originally Posted by chillinwill

Here's what happened to my friend Red Rock when he first dosed on methadone. THe only other opiates he had done at the time with hydrocodone and codeine. At college, he met someone on methadone who had the 40mg wafers. Well he sold one to Red Rock and Red Rock took 10mg and waiting around 2 hours and didn't feel much so took another 10mg and was sick as hell for the rest of that day and the next day causing him to miss classes. He way praying that the experience would just end. This was all way before he became addicted to opiates and he had no tolerance issues

Yeah I am aware that nausea is a serious risk with taking any strong opiate. I will have some medication handy, but usually I have a pretty strong stomach. For example I can usually drink WAY more alcohol than most people and not get sick. I accept the risk of nausea. Anyway what your saying is your friend did around 20mg, and I will be doing 15mg which is somewhat less. I have actually known people to puke there guys up on panadeine forte- as normal doses!! When I took panadeine forte, no nausea whatsoever.

[doublezero]

only read the first post,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,swim tried methadone before he had a habbit, and it was quite nice,,,,,he'd prefered to try smokable opium first, as it contains many opiates and opioids,,,,his first opiate was european smack booted off of tin foil,,used to love preparing the foil and the tube,,,,,especially wen u un wrap it, and smoke the shit thats collected in the foil tube

his first sedative was diazapam, he blagged some off of a doctor and he used to love the days of valium, weed and hash cakes.

Swim would advice codeine, cold water extraction,,,,,,,,,drink a bit, then drink a bit more and so on,,theres good advice on here for dosing,,,just be careful,,swim smoked heroin once,,,,then 5 years later he woke up and realised he just wasted the best years of his life,,,luckily he woke up a couple of years before he got to old,,,,he's been sleeping with lots of women to make up for it



my final advice is enjoy it, but dont fall in love with it, who needs a slag like opiates for a wife,,,she's a good fook,,,,,,but she bites



peace

[thebige]

A very long time ago ........Swims first time with done'...... 160mg..... vomited for 6 hours straight
But swim never enjoyed vomiting so much in his life..... Please be safe,swim feels its very easy to OD on methadone...

[MarkoF]

SWIM told me that 15 mg of methadone is good start. Also someone told me that he tried m in pure powder form. He like it a lot, gave him good rush with 25 mg of methadon. I never heard pure methadon form from anyone so I was suprise how he get it.
Any way, I think 15 mg of orall methadon dose is a good start for anyone new.

[cybergenesis]

Wow today is actually the day Swim gets it. Swim has been anxious (being somewhat of a hypochondriac in regards to side effect), but it also looking very forward to it. As Swim said Swim will do 15mg today and will be with his cousin who will also do 15mg. If Swim and co like this but it doesn't seem too intense then we might try 20-25mg next time. Only if we don't seem too sedated. (Next time would be about 2 weeks away).

Swim will write a DETAILED experience report up on this site, and link it from this thread so people can find it... Pray for swim that with the help of benadryl swim doesn't get bad nausea or anything else nasty Swim feels like a virgin meeting his first girlfriend

[doublezero]

brush your teeth after it,,cuz juice rots your teeth, enjoy

[msmogadon]

SWIMs opiate naive friend's friend took 50ml last weekend and was green/white and spewin for hours

[doublezero]

50ml is quite alot for someone with no tolerance,,,,,,swim thinks he's lucky he threw it up, if he didnt and went on the nod he could of been dead

be safe,

[msmogadon]

The guy he was with should have known better. What made it worse was SWIM was needin that mathadone

[Trani_on_10]

This is disgusting by all accounts but my friend swim just wanted to know, swim has read that apporoximately 19% of methadone taken orally is excreted unchanged/or un-metabolized from the body. Does this mean if swim is taking it and drank his piss he could get high? Does anyone know if there is an extraction process to remove unchanged excreted methadone from human urine? Thanks for helping my friend swim.

[returntozero]

forget methadone for a first time dose

get some norcos or percocets