Maximum Hydrocodone Dosage

[Slight Of Hand]

SWIM has been using Hydrocodone for quite some time now, and has stuck with a normal regime of roughly 5 7.5/750's per day. However, SWIM feels less of the rush now and SWIM would like to know generally would would be a maximum dosage on Hydrocodone that could be considered "Safe"?

[RaverHippie]

I really hope SWIY knows what a cold water extraction is. If you don't UTFSE immediately!

[rokman nash]

My friend Dave tells me you don't feel any "buzz" after a certain point. As far as maximum safe dosages I know he has taken as many as 50-10 mg vics in a day and survived(we will find out shortly how his liver has fared).Now he certainly doesn't recommend that to/for anyone,but uses it as an example of where you can end up "chasing the buzz".

ROC
do the day or the day will do you

[youdontknow]

try 7 swim will be fine and hopefully get a buzz. Also swim could move on to bigger and better things, percs, oxies, dope. Less effect on swims liver and stronger buzz.

[RaverHippie]

Originally Posted by DeadLegend

try 7 swim will be fine and hopefully get a buzz. Also swim could move on to bigger and better things, percs, oxies, dope. Less effect on swims liver and stronger buzz.

7 is also an overdose on APAP, enough to cause legitimate permanent liver damage. If you're going to offer advice, make sure it comes with common sense like giving the link to the TEK on extracting APAP from hydrocodone pills by dissolving in hot water, chilling, then filtering. Also I doubt it's everyone's plan to move on to stronger drugs like it's a good thing...

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good response to some stupid advice posted

[youdontknow]

ok well swim has taken more than 7 countless number of times, and has absolutely no liver/kidney damage.

And if your gonna do drugs you might as well make it worth it.

DeadLegend added 1 Minutes and 57 Seconds later...

oh and BTW most junkies dont have the patience to do a CWE. So why post a link to it? When swim feels like shit and wants to get high the last thing hes gonna do is a CWE.

SWIM has eaten 25 5/500 vicodins in the course of 12 hours before and nothing happened to him. 7 and swiy will be fine.

Reputation Comments on this post:

	Educate yourself before making an ass of yourself even when people have pointed out the error in your logic.
	dangerous and bad advice
	Just because it didn't fuck up your liver or kidneys doesn't mean it won't someone elses. CWE hardly requires any patien...
	Dangerous Advice

[AvidFan]

Has SWIY had extensive CT scans/ultrasounds of those organs lately then?

The dosage being talked about is damn dangerous in terms of APAP/Paracetomol/etc

Patient X would just warn the OP that unless SWIY wants to end up being a slave to drugs for many months or years by going on to harder stuff (after all, if SWIY is prepared to risk liver damage for a hydro buzz, what is SWIY going to risk for an OXY buzz or a heroin buzz - job, family, sanity, life?).

Some of us here who aren't us have been through this and are just coming out the other side - many aren't so lucky.

Just a thought, seeing as this is the addiction support section, and it's Christmas

[RaverHippie]

Originally Posted by DeadLegend

ok well swim has taken more than 7 countless number of times, and has absolutely no liver/kidney damage.

And if your gonna do drugs you might as well make it worth it.

DeadLegend added 1 Minutes and 57 Seconds later...

oh and BTW most junkies dont have the patience to do a CWE. So why post a link to it? When swim feels like shit and wants to get high the last thing hes gonna do is a CWE.

SWIM has eaten 25 5/500 vicodins in the course of 12 hours before and nothing happened to him. 7 and swiy will be fine.

Alright you've clearly never read that 4g of APAP in one day is the maximum amount to be consumed in a single day and 1.5g APAP is the most to consume in a single dose. You've also clearly not picked up this is first and foremost a harm reduction forum. Therefore clearly offering advice which is clinically proven to cause liver damage is not tolerated. We make no assumptions about what "junkies don't have the patience" to execute. We offer advice and solutions to remove the ingredient which kills more people throughout the world than all illegal drugs combines, APAP.

[youdontknow]

actually yes swim has had a CT scan recently.

[Herbal Healer 019]

Originally Posted by DeadLegend

try 7 swim will be fine and hopefully get a buzz. Also swim could move on to bigger and better things, percs, oxies, dope. Less effect on swims liver and stronger buzz.

Percocets have oxycodone/acetaminophen in them too so they're not any better for the liver than hydrocodone/acetaminophen & heroin is ussually adulturated/impure so that's no help to the liver & kidneys either.

& God Damn 25 5/500 hydrocodones is just plain stupid considering the lethal dose in many people is only 10,000mg acetaminophen, clearly SWIy is a lucky exception, but I garuntee he has damaged his liver with that amount of tylenol. Not doing a CWE when taking high amounts of hydro is not about being lazy it's more about being ignorant to the consequences of 1s health.

[youdontknow]

CT scan says all my organs are in perfect condition! And i know it is stupid im not saying its not, but the fact is that he would be fine if he took 7 of them

[chillinwill]

Originally Posted by DeadLegend

CT scan says all my organs are in perfect condition! And i know it is stupid im not saying its not, but the fact is that he would be fine if he took 7 of them

How would SWIY know this? Every person's body is different and how they metabolize and handle drugs

[RaverHippie]

Originally Posted by DeadLegend

CT scan says all my organs are in perfect condition! And i know it is stupid im not saying its not, but the fact is that he would be fine if he took 7 of them

Please, stop making assumptions about people's body chemistry based on your own personal body chemistry. Everyone is different, you can't ever know how something is going to react in someone else based simply by how it affects you. This only leads to unsound advice like the kind you keep perpetuating throughout this thread.

[lerms]

SWIM just took 4 7.5/750s on a somewhat full stomach and did not feel anything for about 2 hours and now feels a little bit. is this still bad? its 30mg of hydro and 3000 of tylnol?

[PsychoActivist]

Originally Posted by DeadLegend

ok well swim has taken more than 7 countless number of times, and has absolutely no liver/kidney damage.

Originally Posted by DeadLegend

SWIM has eaten 25 5/500 vicodins in the course of 12 hours before and nothing happened to him. 7 and swiy will be fine.

Just cause SWIY doesn't care enough about his body to take precautions doesn't mean he can go around assuming others feel the same way. Even if his organs are in perfect condition doesn't mean it won't kill someone else. SWIY can't go around saying just because he's fine everyone else will be.

Remember hearing about Travis Barker (the Blink 182 drummer) and Adam Goldstein (DJ AM)? They were in that plane crash and were the only 2 survivors? You think Travis Barker tells people "Hey man, Don't worry about your next flight. Its no big deal if the plane crashes. You won't die. See look at me, I was in a plane crash and well... here I am!"
This example may seem a bit extreme but the amount of Acetaminophen in question is considered by the vast majority of people who have any knowledge of drugs whatsoever, to be dangerous and one cannot base his/her conclusion on how it will effect another person solely from their own experience.

Originally Posted by DeadLegend

oh and BTW most junkies dont have the patience to do a CWE. So why post a link to it? When swim feels like shit and wants to get high the last thing hes gonna do is a CWE

Maybe "most junkies" that SWIY knows. Everyone SWIM knows, if taking a does that has over 1500 mg's APAP, have no problem taking an extra 5-15 minutes of their time to use a much safer method. I mean seriously, It requires no materials that anyone wouldn't already have in their house and takes very little time. The simplest method can be done in less than 3 minutes, while others can take up to 20 minutes or so.

So, to SWISlight Of Hand, you can lose 5-20 minutes of time in your life by taking safety precautions or you can take the risk of losing the rest of your life by not taking safety precautions and going into liver failure. (Or at best end up taking a trip to the hospital).

This decision isn't one that should require much thought.

Cold Water Extraction FAQ:
http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/sho...ter+extraction

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Thanks for keeping up the fight on bad advice.

[youdontknow]

Yes, slight of hand, swiy would be smart to do a CWE. That would be best. BUT if you dont feel like doing that then 7 will be fine. SWIY isnt going to die or have your kidneys shut down. Granted there is a very slight chance that it could happen, with SWIY having a tolerance to 5 then it should be fine.

Oh and according to what all of you are saying when he eats 5 of them shouldnt he die?

[RaverHippie]

I think it's gotten to the point that SWIY may associate symptoms of acetaminophen overdose with the overall opiate feel so that SWIY doesn't even notice these signs.

[chillinwill]

Originally Posted by DeadLegend

Yes, slight of hand, swiy would be smart to do a CWE. That would be best. BUT if you dont feel like doing that then 7 will be fine. SWIY isnt going to die or have your kidneys shut down. Granted there is a very slight chance that it could happen, with SWIY having a tolerance to 5 then it should be fine.

Oh and according to what all of you are saying when he eats 5 of them shouldnt he die?

No and no. A tolerance to 5 has nothing to do with the acetaminophen and everything to do with the hydrocodone. The more hydrocodone's someone takes without doing a CWE, the greater the chance of liver failure. Even if someone doesn't die from liver failure, they can have permanent liver damage. This is just bad advice and since this site is about harm reduction and ways to minimize the risks and harms when doing drugs, no one should listen to this guy about this subject. Sure one person might get away with taking 7, 10, or even 25 hydrocodones without any permanent damage, but can you make that assumption for every single person that comes across and reads your post here? What if someone did die because they listened to your advice about "oh you will be fine if you just down a handful or so".

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	Thank you. Good harm reduction. This "DeadLegend" guy is pissing me the fuck off.
	Good harm reduction advice

[Herbal Healer 019]

Originally Posted by lerms

SWIM just took 4 7.5/750s on a somewhat full stomach and did not feel anything for about 2 hours and now feels a little bit. is this still bad? its 30mg of hydro and 3000 of tylnol?

Yes, & I think u made another thread relating to the topic, but in any case 3000mg tylenol is bad, next time do a cold water extraction because the maximum amount of tylenol per dose is 1500mg or so.

3000mg acetaminophen, depending on the person may or may not do any noticable or detectable damage, but it will still damage SWIy's kidney's & especially liver, so er on the safe side and do CWE. B safe & enjoy

& SWIM didnt feel his hydrocodone buzz 4 a minute during christmas due to a stomach stuffed full of mashed potatoes & poppy pods, but sure enough, 2 hours l8r SWIM felt it. So be patient & w8 it out at least 2 hours b4 redosing or SWIy could run into problems (OD, or severe nausea).

FYI...Poppy pods & hydrocodone= gut busting nausea 4 SWIM during the 1st 2 hours of his high...b advised

[PsychoActivist]

Slight, please do not listen to "dead legend". This is not safe.

God I wish I could give him negative rep again. I'd do it for every post he's made in this thread.

[youdontknow]

So saying that doing a CWE would be the best thing and taking 7 of them without doing that is stupid, is bad advice then? Ok i get it.

DeadLegend added 2 Minutes and 29 Seconds later...

Slight dont take any advice from someone who has an extensive background of experimenting with opiates.

YES. TAKING THAT MUCH APAP IS DANGEROUS. IM NOT FUCKING SAYING IT ISNT.

Im just sayng that i know bunches of people that have taken 7+ 750's and been fine, in fact, ive never known anyone that overdosed on APAP from taking vics or percs..

Do any of you?

DeadLegend added 2 Minutes and 24 Seconds later...

So i tell a guy whos been fine taking 5 of them to take 7 and that amounts to:

"oh you will be fine if you just down a handful or so"

i never said those words bud

DeadLegend added 778 Minutes and 12 Seconds later...

What nothing to say to that? You people are taking the technical element of it and using that sa the gospel for drug use. YES. you do have to take into consideration the technical safety of it all but you also have to take into consideration the human element of it.

And it seems that the palladium memebers here at DF love ptting words into peoples mouths and then arguing with the words they put there.

[chillinwill]

Originally Posted by DeadLegend

try 7 swim will be fine and hopefully get a buzz. Also swim could move on to bigger and better things, percs, oxies, dope. Less effect on swims liver and stronger buzz.

Us palladium members are not trying to turn this into a flaming war. I did quote you wrong as I was remembering what someone else said in another thread but this IS what YOU stated which is just bad, harmful, and irresponsible advice. All I am going to say about this and then I am going to stop talking about it is if this is how SWIY has been taking their hydrocodone's, please go get your liver and kidneys checked out as permanent damage could have been done.

[PsychoActivist]

Legend,
The point is, you can say that you took 7 and were fine. You can say that your friends took 7 and they were fine. But you cannot say with 100% sureness that if anyone else takes 7 that they will be fine too. It doesn't work like that. Everyone's body is different. Chances are you may be right, he may be able to take 7 and be fine, but whether or not this is the case, this is a harm reduction website and telling someone that they will be fine doing something that is known by the vast majority to be dangerous, will not float well around here.

Thats it. I can't make my point any clearer than that, and I'm not going to waste anymore of my time arguing in this thread.

[youdontknow]

jesus christ. Fine swiy slight, dont take 7, YOULL DIE!!!! LOL

And my point is, have you ever known anyone who overdosed on apap from vicodin?

AND IVE HAD A CT SCAN AND ALL MY ORGANS ARE FINE.

[rokman nash]

DL,your young and invicible,my friend (Dave)believes that what your saying is basically true.BUT, at least preface what you are trying to articulate in a way that could possiby help another swim.Don't just make broad statements based on your obviously limited experience.At 19 if you know your ass from your elbow your ahead of the game.Don't prove your ignorance, show your intelligence.
If this offends send me a pm and swim can meet and have a lesson taught the hard way.