Drug info - 4-MeO-PCP

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*** N.B. SWIM was not sure whether to place this thread in the 'Research Chemical' section of the forum, or the 'Dissociatives' section, so SWIM has placed it in both. SWIM apologises in advance to the Mods and asks if one could delete appropriately ***

This is a relatively new RC with little-to-no information about it available on the 'net. Although SWIM has not had any personal experience with it yet (although SWIM may do in the near future), he has gathered some general information regarding dosage etc...

First off - some general biochemical information that has been available for a while:

Chemical Formula: 1-(4-methoxy-1-phenylcyclohexyl)piperidine.
Chemical Structure:

4-methoxy PCP has been previously tested in animals and found to be somewhat less potent than PCP itself. Results with human volunteer confirm this. A rough estimate would be 70% as potent. This is still significant, considering how potent PCP is.

A possible advantage of this analog is decreased duration of effect. This is because the 4-methoxy group provides a site for metabolism and elimination of the drug. This is a significant point, because the extended action of PCP is a real disadvantage in cases of acute overdosage.

For those that are unfamiliar with the effects of these compounds, the experience is very hard to describe. The most commonly known compound that is directly comparable is ketamine. Ketamine's effects are quite similar to PCP and 4-methoxy PCP, but K. is much less potent.

SWIM will have some personal experience report up by mid-next week. However, in the mean time, SWIM have procured some offline subjective information from a reliable source who has been playing around with the compound and all its routes of administration for quite sometime. Hopefully this'll be of great use for anyone looking to "research" the effects of 4-MeO-PCP:

Smoked: Pretty much inactive. Unlike PCP, this is probably the worst method of ingestion

Plugging: The best method of ingestion, although some may feel uncomfortable using it this way. However, it has the greatest bioavailability via this route and thus requires a much lower dose

Insufflated: The second best method of ingestion.

Oral: Third best method of ingestion, although the difference between this and snorting is not all that noticeable, besides - SWIM assumes - a quicker. come up, faster onset of peak, and shorter total duration

Dose
N.B. SWIM have no info on doses for plugging, but a simple educated guess from extrapolation means it should be about accurate.

Light/Threshold (Oral) - 10mg
Light/Threshold (Insufflated) - 5-10mg
Light/Threshold (Plugged) - 5mg

Common (Oral) - 25mg
Common (Insufflated) - 20mg
Common (Plugged) - 10mg

Strong (Oral) - 30mg
Strong (Insufflated) - 25mg
Strong (Plugged) - 15mg

The Experience

• Somewhat stimulating, but not an uncomfortable stimulation
• Very similar effects to that of Ketamine but with more pronounced effects than commonly experiences with K
• Quite a clean feel to the high
• Duration unknown but - due to its relative potency - SWIM imagines ~2-3hrs max, with an afterglow similar to Ket

Notes
It seems that, although 4-MeO-PCP has been cited as 70% potency of that of regular PCP, the Methoxy group changes the effects significantly. Aside from shorter duration, the amount taken to achieve 'strong' effects is radically different to that of PCP. This is actually a good thing, as it significantly decreases the chances of overdose. Even the most accurate scales can be off by up to -/+ 4mg, so having to ingest a larger amount for desired effects becomes less of a risk.

SWIM's offline source also states that 100mg of 4-MeO-PCP was taken over the course of a mere few hours with absolutely no adverse effects, although retrograde amnesia was prevalent at that kind of dose (as would be with most dissociative anaesthetics). This is not to say this kind of dose is recommended, but is helpful/reassuring when it comes to testing a new RC.

As SWIM mentioned before, he has not tried this substance yet himself, and it seems not many have. However, this information is from a good source and should hopefully shed some light into this compound's effects before SWI-other people go off to try it. SWIM friend will be providing his own in-depth report sometime in the near future - most likely via the insufflated route as this seems a good method - and will attempt to keep this board updated. In the mean time, if SWIY has managed to try this, please add to these comments as any information is good.

It would be useful to get some more experience reports down. Hope this helps!

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