Opinions - Just did SWIMs first CWE

[InTheCity]

So SWIM just did his first CWE and just wants to double check with SWIY that he didn't fudge anything up.

SWIM used 6 Tylenol 3s 300mg acet/15mg caff/30mg codeine pills. Crushed them up pretty fine in a ziplock back and emptied it into a glass and added about 2/3 a cup of warm water and mixed it all up pretty well so it was cloudy. Put it in the freezer for about ~25minutes then put it through a coffee filter. It only took about 5 minutes for it to drain through the coffee filter and all that was left was a sludgy white residue. the solution was practicly crystal clear. So SWIM took a benadryl half an hour ago and just belted back the codeine solution, which had a very hard to swallow chalky taste.

SWIM just wants to confirm thats what it should taste like. Also SWIM took 4 T3 PILLS (120mg codeine +acet/caffeine) on monday and had a nice buzz for a few hours, so SWIM assumed that 180mg would be a nice step up in dosage.

SWIM is just also worried because it seems like the CWE went perfectly, and for SWIMs first CWE he honestly expected to do something so simple wrong.

SWIM would also like to add hes starting to feel some minor stomach pain

SWIM appoligizes for this useless thread but SWIM is just paranoid after reading everything SWIM could read for the past few days and is just afraid of dying LOL!

[RoboCodeine7610]

SWIM appoligizes for this useless thread but SWIM is just paranoid after reading everything SWIM could read for the past few days and is just afraid of dying LOL!

Please don't be, if you took 12 of those tablets at once (4000mg) you wouldn't die (I'm not recommending it though).Trust me you're fine.Just be careful when these T3's finish and you start extracting from 20 8mg pills, then it gets dangerous if you don't do it properly.
Just sit back and enjoy, Robo

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Honest and to the point

[nibble]

Don't worry about it.. If you use a moderate amount of water, say a few hundred ml max, after filtration there's never going to be enough APAP to cause any harm disolved or suspended in the liquid, it's just not physically possible. Any stomache discomfort was probably caused by the codeine itself.

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thanks for the advice

[Razorbladekiss]

My Dalek always measured the stomach ache as how successful his extraction was.
meaning if he was in pain hes ingested too much ACAP. He hardly ever gets stomach aches no more meaning a few things.

Hes tollerant of either ACAP digestion or Codeine digestion

Or he got his extraction right!

a slight presence of a stomach ache is normal when just started drinking your solution my Dalek believes it could be ingestion of ACAP but thats his opinion.

a little later into your experience swiy may have that presence come back and that very well could be the codeine, just try to relax.

And Synic, CWE is easy, it takes a few goes to figure out how much of what you need, start out small like robo said. Then if swiy thinks his method is down take up a bit. Good luck!

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thanks for the advice

[scruffyloather]

CWE is so ridiculously easy it's almost impossible to eff up. If you disolve the pills and end up drinking liquid, then youre fine. The write up are honourably very thorough and aimed at harm reduction and maximising yields. But they can make it sound like the process complicated, which of course it's not. the worst case scenario for f-ups are things like 'using too much water (you'll end up with a higher amount but equally harmless amount of paracetamol/ibuprofin)', not filtering properly (you'll end up with a thick layer on the bottom of yr cup which you wont be inclined to drink)..and what else? nothing.

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thanks for the advice

[InTheCity]

Thanks for the advice.
SWIM has unfortunately ran out of T3s so is down to extracting from T1s, which SWIM tried for the first time the other night. Because of SWIMs lack of experience I assume SWIM always like to use quite a bit of water, probably just under 2 cups for about 35 pillls, which SWIM could generally assume more water = more (but neglible) APAP. SWIM puked for the first time after the CWE and ingesting the codeine, but had to combine two seperate glasses because there was so much water.

Next time SWIM will try and use only maybe 2 or 300ml of water (for 25-35 T1s does that sound correct?) and also maybe refilter it once or twice just to be certain. Hopefully this will stop the nauseau and possible vomiting.

SWIM would also like to throw in that while drinking his "more than one glass of codeine water", he decided to add something to it to maybe curb the awful taste, and all he could find was a can of pepsi(which made it taste worst by the way, lesson learned; just chase it with something). so SWIM mixed it in, and noticed it bubbled quite a bit, and after it settled, there was a layer that hardened on the top of the drink that SWIM pulled out with a spoon. SWIM assumed it was just corn starch or something? SWIM isn't really worried about it, was just curious as to what it was.

[scruffyloather]

Originally Posted by Synic03

Thanks for the advice.
SWIM has unfortunately ran out of T3s so is down to extracting from T1s, which SWIM tried for the first time the other night. Because of SWIMs lack of experience I assume SWIM always like to use quite a bit of water, probably just under 2 cups for about 35 pillls, which SWIM could generally assume more water = more (but neglible) APAP. SWIM puked for the first time after the CWE and ingesting the codeine, but had to combine two seperate glasses because there was so much water.

Next time SWIM will try and use only maybe 2 or 300ml of water (for 25-35 T1s does that sound correct?) and also maybe refilter it once or twice just to be certain. Hopefully this will stop the nauseau and possible vomiting.

Hmmmm sounds a little large in water to swim. a lot large in fact. swim uses 300ml (half a 600 ml coke bottle) to 72 pills most swimmers will say that is way too much. That is more water than is needed but swim also likes to use more water than less because it gives higher yield of codein (less water leaves codein siting in the wet pillmass after extraction). you really just want enough to disolve the pulls tho. SWIM doesnt like to crush pills becaus eits stupid when they disolve in 5 minutes flat anyway (in a coke bottle shaking mildly with the lid on)

SWIM has noticed with apap that even the trace amounts can cause upset stomach/vomiting on if taken on empty stomach. something about the liquid solution in the stomach. stomach does not like. best to have a little bit of something in stomach b4. not a whole pizza tho cause swiy will be b4 ever digesting.

SWIM would also like to throw in that while drinking his "more than one glass of codeine water", he decided to add something to it to maybe curb the awful taste, and all he could find was a can of pepsi(which made it taste worst by the way, lesson learned; just chase it with something). so SWIM mixed it in, and noticed it bubbled quite a bit, and after it settled, there was a layer that hardened on the top of the drink that SWIM pulled out with a spoon. SWIM assumed it was just corn starch or something? SWIM isn't really worried about it, was just curious as to what it was.

probably some binder reacting with the soda.

4 mentos gobbed immediaetly after drink is great.

[RoboCodeine7610]

Actually, Swim thinks exceeding 100ml-150ml is already dangerous so try not to exceed that.A good way to need a lot less water is to crush the pills into a very fine powder or use capsules instead.

[nibble]

Originally Posted by RoboCodeine7610

Actually, Swim thinks exceeding 100ml-150ml is already dangerous so try not to exceed that.A good way to need a lot less water is to crush the pills into a very fine powder or use capsules instead.

Why would you feel this volume of water is dangerous? Paracetamol's solubility in water at 21C is about 1g in 300ml of water, that's the most commonly found number anyway.. A single gram of paracetamol or there abouts certainly won't do any harm.

[RoboCodeine7610]

I think you got that wrong buddy, it's actually 14mg/ml...

Here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/paracetamol

[nibble]

Originally Posted by RoboCodeine7610

I think you got that wrong buddy, it's actually 14mg/ml...

Where exactly on that page does it mention solubility in water at a given temperature?
And you should refrigerate it to decrease the solubility of paracetamol even further anyway..

[RoboCodeine7610]

Where exactly on that page does it mention solubility in water at a given temperature?

Sorry, I just looked into it and aparently it's gone for some reason, but if you look at the search result it says it:

http://www.google.fr/search?hl=fr&q=...chercher&meta=

it's the second result...

And you should refrigerate it to decrease the solubility of paracetamol even further anyway..

Yeah, you're right but why put extra paracetamol in your system?If you can use less water then why use more?And although this is probably the case for you, some people do several extractions per day and the paracetamol you'd consume in 300ml you can consume in 3 doses at 100ml.

So although I was probably wrong when I said that more than 150ml were dangerous, there's still no reason to use more than that.

P.S The coke bottle is a really good idea to shake it, swim's gonna give it a try.

[scruffyloather]

Obviously it depends on how many pills you are extracting.....
In my post I said that SWIM use 300 ml for 72 pills...
That is a little more than you 'need' to disolve the pills, but if you are just using enough to saturate the solution with codeine you will end up with a lot of codeine tied up in the wet pill mass.

Always remember that if you have done a poor extraction you will see the apap/ibuprofin collected on the bottom of the cup when you drink the codeine. It sinks (do not drink it obviously)

As a matter of fact, swim has seen dealers (manufacturing codeine for cutting agent) prepare it by mixing pills in a huge plastic bottle, letting apap sink to the bottom, and punching pin holes in the side and catching the squirting liquid.

[RoboCodeine7610]

Obviously it depends on how many pills you are extracting.....
In my post I said that SWIM use 300 ml for 72 pills...

Yeah, 300ml is perfect for 72 pills, I was talking about 24-30 pills.

[scruffyloather]

heh. gross. Codeine cordial