Add-To-It - Drug myths

[tayo]

Originally Posted by toe

"Taking MDMA while on an SSRI will cause you to get serotonin syndrome and die."

Have not found a single reported fatality attributed to SSRI+MDMA interaction. MAOI's are another story.

agreed, if SWIY were on SSRI's mdma would have a decreased effect unfortunately, like a natural tolerance in SWIM's experiments.

[tayo]

yeah swim's heard that nmda dissociatives can cause "olney's lesions" whether these repair over time is another story, once blood stops flowing to a region it's not always irreversible

[keats]

From the south african drug webpage about cannabis (dagga): "Dagga however, is extremely dangerous. It hampers the physical development of a child and can lead to psychological defects."

[crackcityrocker]

the "double/triple stack" myth
acid based x tabs (i wish...)

[crackcityrocker]

oh and coating blunts with formaldehyde getting you higher

[Mint boi]

^^
lol
and give you cancer,
and make you smell like a biology lab

[CocaColaCorp.]

Olney's Lesions are another myth.

If anyone cares to read his retraction statements;

http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/dxm/dxm_health3.shtml

No drug puts holes in your brain. The only one I'm not 100% sure on that remark is certain inhalent drugs. Anyone got any information to the contrary or supporting this?

[cj-gwizzle]

my friend says that the first time you smoke crack a peice of your brain the size of a golfball explodes causing the greatest high you can ever experience...i have a feeling this falls into the urban ledgend catogery.

[kinai]

SWIM was told that chewing mushrooms longer enhances their effect. Opinions?

[pedosintalgon]

Drinking a mixture of diazepam pills dizolved in warm wather and cigarette ash gives you a high similar to a good dose of aminobarbiturate
A myth very popular in my coutrys' prisons, as ridiculous as it may sound.

[euphoric_rose]

Originally Posted by kinai

SWIM was told that chewing mushrooms longer enhances their effect. Opinions?

i was old that chewing them real fine and letting it stay under your tongue would make you trip even more, or faster.. something like that..

[UndeadPaperclip]

Originally Posted by cj-gwizzle

my friend says that the first time you smoke crack a peice of your brain the size of a golfball explodes causing the greatest high you can ever experience...i have a feeling this falls into the urban ledgend catogery.

I think that falls into the "There's no way you're saying this to me sober" category. SWIM will take 4 of whatever your friend's drug of choice is.

[Paracelsus]

SWIM was told that chewing mushrooms longer enhances their effect. Opinions?

Longer chewing means more buccal absorption and a finely macerated product which can be absorbed better in the GI tract. Might have some truth to it.

Drinking a mixture of diazepam pills dizolved in warm wather and cigarette ash gives you a high similar to a good dose of aminobarbiturate

Benzodiazepines are (somewhat) similar to barbiturates (I suppose you meant amobarbital). Dissolving pills in water and drinking the liquid makes absorption take place quicker, while cigarette ash is basic (high pH) and also aids absorption in the stomach. Combined, these could easily potentiate the diazepam.

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I agree with the benzos/barbs things. Amytal is a rather gentle drug, not dissimilar to diazempam in my opinion. Not con...

[doggy_hat]

Myths my parents told me:
-Drugs were invented by communists.
-Oxycontin is made by AIDS infected Mexicans.
-After doing LSD once your legally a paranoid schizophrenic
-90% of people who do XTC die the first time and there is not a single person to live past doing it 3 times.
-People that grow weed lace it with poison so when you smoke you get higher from the poisons killing you.
-Drug Dealers want to see you suffer and die(really I thought they wanted money?)
-People that synthesize illegal drugs don't actually synthesize drugs, they just throw a bunch of random poisons into a bowl and stir them up and claim it's *insert name of drug*.
-All pot heads are deranged psychopaths that do anything for a joint, even commit murder.

Myths other people told me:
-LSD stays in your spine forever.
-XTC over heats your brain and causes sever damage, burns holes.
-Orange Juice Guy
-Everyone that has never done LSD knows somebody that they were a knight and slayed a dragon while tripping.
-Everyone that has never done LSD knows somebody that tried to fly and died while tripping.
-Vicodin gets you high.
-Smoking seeds= no sperm
-this XTC is laced with coke/LSD
- Double Stacks Triple stacks are better(they just have more filler, binding agents, not MDMA)

[bloot]

Originally Posted by doggy_hat

Myths my parents told me:
-Drugs were invented by communists.
-Oxycontin is made by AIDS infected Mexicans.
-After doing LSD once your legally a paranoid schizophrenic
-90% of people who do XTC die the first time and there is not a single person to live past doing it 3 times.
-People that grow weed lace it with poison so when you smoke you get higher from the poisons killing you.
-Drug Dealers want to see you suffer and die(really I thought they wanted money?)
-People that synthesize illegal drugs don't actually synthesize drugs, they just throw a bunch of random poisons into a bowl and stir them up and claim it's *insert name of drug*.
-All pot heads are deranged psychopaths that do anything for a joint, even commit murder.

Myths other people told me:
-LSD stays in your spine forever.
-XTC over heats your brain and causes sever damage, burns holes.
-Orange Juice Guy
-Everyone that has never done LSD knows somebody that they were a knight and slayed a dragon while tripping.
-Everyone that has never done LSD knows somebody that tried to fly and died while tripping.
-Vicodin gets you high.
-Smoking seeds= no sperm
-this XTC is laced with coke/LSD
- Double Stacks Triple stacks are better(they just have more filler, binding agents, not MDMA)

Why would Vicodin not get one high?

[Micutzul]

Originally Posted by doggy_hat

Myths my parents told me:
-Drugs were invented by communists.
-Oxycontin is made by AIDS infected Mexicans.
-After doing LSD once your legally a paranoid schizophrenic
-90% of people who do XTC die the first time and there is not a single person to live past doing it 3 times.
-People that grow weed lace it with poison so when you smoke you get higher from the poisons killing you.
-Drug Dealers want to see you suffer and die(really I thought they wanted money?)
-People that synthesize illegal drugs don't actually synthesize drugs, they just throw a bunch of random poisons into a bowl and stir them up and claim it's *insert name of drug*.
-All pot heads are deranged psychopaths that do anything for a joint, even commit murder.

Myths other people told me:
-LSD stays in your spine forever.
-XTC over heats your brain and causes sever damage, burns holes.
-Orange Juice Guy
-Everyone that has never done LSD knows somebody that they were a knight and slayed a dragon while tripping.
-Everyone that has never done LSD knows somebody that tried to fly and died while tripping.
-Vicodin gets you high.
-Smoking seeds= no sperm
-this XTC is laced with coke/LSD
- Double Stacks Triple stacks are better(they just have more filler, binding agents, not MDMA)

ROFL =))) . Those are some particularly interesting myths you have there . The one about 90 % of XTC users could end the planet's problems in terms of too many people for limited resources.


Now , there is some truth in the myths that other people told you . XTC might overheat your entire body (your brain included ). Particularly ecstasy pills containing amphetamines will overheat you even more and this can cause sever damage .( however it won't burn holes in your brain , it's not a f**ing plasma gun )

Double/Triple stacks could contain more active ingredient . However , because of the small doses of active ingredient necessary for MDMA/MDA/MDX/amphetamines , if the pill needs that much active ingredient it probably contains something else ( piperazines , DXM , ketamine , etc.)

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	it's not a f**ing plasma gun - lol
	you have a good point with the size of ecstasy pills. you could fit almost 200mg in a single standard rize E. and thats ...

[dr_psykko]

this is what my grandma told me when i was 5 years old:

"they give out nice stickers to children in kindergartens and tell them to put those stickers on their tongues. those stickers contain some terrible drug to which you get addicted from the first time"

what my father has once said:

"they always give out ur first piece of drug for free. so you get addicted and later u come and buy them for a terrible high price"

and of course:

"cannabis is a gateway drug. once you try it, u wanna try everything else"

[moda00]

I think this is a common misperception- the concept of "drug dealers" as these vindictive people whose goal is to create addicts who cannot live without their product. Most every time Swim has ever used a substance, she has intentionally decided to use it and has consciously sought it out. Sure, once you become involved with the subculture and make friends with similar-minded folk, you may be in situations where, for example, a joint is passed and everyone has the option to accept or decline, or where a substance of lesser availability becomes available sporadically, and word of mouth is the means of sharing this information with those you know may be interested. But the whole concept is so bizzare, to those among us who might know better, since without legalization/decriminalization, the only way to obtain drugs is on the black market. So whether a street corner crack dealer, or a friend who sells small amounts of weed in social settings, to the acid chemist who does what he does because he believes he has a mission to make this mind-manifesting substance available- there are so many circumstances among which a person may sell, or give away, drugs. Sure, some may be selfishly motivated- that can be said of any industry or faction of human society. And all illegal drugs, whether drugs with high or low profit margins, drugs with addictive properties, no addictive properties whatsoever, and even drugs which are considered by some to be treatments for addiction, or the opposite of addictive- ie. some psychedelics- are sold in the same context, simply because they are illegal. Of course there are the gangs and street dealers, who may have little regard for their customers, but I'd venture to say that the majority of drugs and the majority of drug users are far removed from this way of life. In fact, the subculture relies on the honorable intentions and respect of its participants to protect those involved. Since activities on the wrong side of the current laws have very few resources in mainstream society, we have to stick together to make sure everyone's needs are met and everyone is okay. Swim has shared drugs in social settings, with experienced users, and has even "picked up" something for a friend when it is convenient and she trusts them. Friends have done the same for her as needed. She has not profited from such, but the laws would treat her as a "drug dealer" and lump her in that category of evil, conniving, heartless monsters who prey on children and society. Any such broad generalization must be examined rather than be taken at face value, like so many of the more outrageous myths and stereotypes seem to be. I will also say this- that of the few "drug dealers" I have encountered who meet the stereotype in any way, of being selfishly motivated and/or dealing in highly addictive substances, most are thus very unwilling to "front" or give free samples, and also do not want to deal with addicts or desperate individuals. Swim is willing to vouch for the fact that, of the limited knowledge she has of such people, whose goal is to cover their own ass, they do not want to get involved with those who are desperate to the point of jeopardizing them. They are happy to work with individuals who are sporadic users, reliable but occasional customers, or those who are able to market to others and thus share the profit, but once it becomes clear someone is desperate or physiologically addicted, Swim would bet the risk comes to outweigh any gain in dealing with them, and they are likely cut off. In addition, the risk of dealing with young children or near schools etc., or the risk of soliciting those who have not expressed an interest in their wares for "free samples," are likely to weed themselves out pretty quickly given the moral atrocity that is perceived in drug use and distribution and the thorough enforcement of strict laws. But ironically, those who have ever experimented with drugs or thought objectively about the issue will realize that any decent, self-protecting "drug dealer" would not engage in the behaviors so often attributed to them, and those who know nothing of the matter continue to perpetuate useless stereotypes.

That said, I will say that the gang/cartel related drug distribution is probably the source of these stereotypes or at least the concepts behind them, and that the people swim has chosen to associate with are not that type of person. It does bother swim that certain substances must come from such a background, more likely than not, and that there is no way to ensure ethical production and distribution methods when purchasing on the black market. While a swiy-drug user may choose to deal with reliable and ethical individuals directly, there is no way of going up the entire ladder and knowing for sure that everything was okay all the way up. In fact, it seems the fault of Prohibition that this is the case, as no legal market that I can think of has such a strong association with violence, gangs, snitches, deaths from impurity/questionable quality, etc. because there is no one to regulate that on the upper levels, or when there is, it seems they choose the money over acting ethically, and it is the non-violent small time participants who pay the price (I was reading the candoclemency site today and it made me cry all the way through, reading about all those women taken prisoner and removed from there families because of minimal drug offenses. It made me even sadder to learn that Bush chose to offer clemency to two. There is no excuse for having the power to do something to help those people and not taking action. In addition, if anyone remembers the article about the heroin stitched into the stomachs of puppies a few years back? I get so depressed every time I think about that or come across a reference to it on some drug or news related site. It makes one want to completely shut this out as some instinctive, emotional self-preservation, but ignorance has never gotten anyone anywhere. It is so much more painful to know and be aware of it all, but it also takes away the freedom and power that come from knowledge. The people Swim knows and loves who may choose to use or share substances which are currently illegal and/or socially frowned upon are not this kind of person. While we all have the potential for "good" and "bad," and all is relative, all is perception, to some extent, I cannot fathom the kinds of people who could do such things. And the sad thing is, this gives "drugs" in general a bad name. The people who advocate for the freedom to expand your own mind are not the criminals here- the criminals here are both those in power who perpetuate the harms of Prohibition, and those who become involved in the underground market, including drugs, for purely selfish reasons. Sorry for getting off-topic, but I feel so strongly about this- I'm sure I'm preaching to the choir though But sometimes I just cannot believe how distorted society's perceptions of good and evil can be, the completely blind yet seemingly irrevocable link between "morality" and the (current) laws and norms- which are always changing and evolving, but people don't see that. They only themselves, and their present reality, and can't look beyond to the realities of the past, or the future, or of other minds and cultures. GRRR.. Signing out before I depress myself and everyone else any more..

Originally Posted by dr_psykko

this is what my grandma told me when i was 5 years old:

"they give out nice stickers to children in kindergartens and tell them to put those stickers on their tongues. those stickers contain some terrible drug to which you get addicted from the first time"

what my father has once said:

"they always give out ur first piece of drug for free. so you get addicted and later u come and buy them for a terrible high price"

and of course:

"cannabis is a gateway drug. once you try it, u wanna try everything else"

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	very cool post, great ideas, maybe a few more paragraph breaks next time though ;)
	Welcome, I like your posting so far: Keep up the good work!
	this may be love... Currently on the verge of tears. Thank-you

[Micklemouse]

The whole "cannabis is a gateway drug" thing is actually the result of a typo. Unfortunately, by the time the mistake was spotted several thousand leaflets had been disseminated to schools, colleges, churches & youth clubs, not to mention the articles in esteemed academic journals. It was deemed cheaper & less embarrassing to let the typo stand, rather than to backtrack & admit that cannabis was actually a "getaway" drug. This is also one of the reasons that drug-testing has become common practise in the workplace - the typesetter responsible was stoned at the time, & later stoned again by a horde of angry hippies, leading to a full investigation at the highest level.

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hilarious

[bloot]

Originally Posted by Micklemouse

The whole "cannabis is a gateway drug" thing is actually the result of a typo. Unfortunately, by the time the mistake was spotted several thousand leaflets had been disseminated to schools, colleges, churches & youth clubs, not to mention the articles in esteemed academic journals. It was deemed cheaper & less embarrassing to let the typo stand, rather than to backtrack & admit that cannabis was actually a "getaway" drug. This is also one of the reasons that drug-testing has become common practise in the workplace - the typesetter responsible was stoned at the time, & later stoned again by a horde of angry hippies, leading to a full investigation at the highest level.

Best written myth I have heard in a while.

[Richi]

I've got a bunch on my website, all with explanations as well.

1. Marijuana kills brain cells
2. Marijuana causes cancer
3. Marijuana is a gateway drug
4. Marijuana has 400 chemicals, so it is dangerous
5. If Marijuana were to become legal, it would
damage our society and cause an increase in drug abuse
6. Marijuana is 10 times more potent than it was in the sixties, so it is more dangerous
7. Psilocybin mushrooms and LSD cause brain hemorrhage (bleeding)



All located here with sources.

[bloot]

I think that the whole "marijuana is a gateway drug" could be true, or it couldn't be true. It all really just depends on who the person is and what their personality is like. That isn't something that could be or couldn't be a fact.

[Micutzul]

Originally Posted by Richi

I've got a bunch, all with explanations as well.

1. Marijuana kills brain cells
2. Marijuana causes cancer
3. Marijuana is a gateway drug
4. Marijuana has 400 chemicals, so it is dangerous
5. If Marijuana were to become legal, it would
damage our society and cause an increase in drug abuse
6. Marijuana is 10 times more potent than it was in the sixties, so it is more dangerous
7. Psilocybin mushrooms and LSD cause brain hemorrhage (bleeding)



and more...

Marijuana may be more dangerous nowadays. Not in itself , but in the chemicals it may be laced with , or in it's adulterants. At least one documented case of marijuana sprayed with very fine crystal shards exists . This was done obviously to increase weight . But you can all imagine the negative effect on the lungs. So i think that nowadays people are continuosly trying to get more for less in everything , especially drugs , so why wouldn't marijuana be affected ,and potentially more dangerous .

But this is surely not what the myth meant . Just thought this is some interesting info

[Paracelsus]

The gateway theory didn't originate with marijuana. In the beginning of the twentieth century, when the public was told that marijuana causes insanity, murder and homosexuality, tobacco was portrayed as a gateway to marijuana use.

The marijuana gateway theory is true and false. If you look one way, most users of "hard" drugs started with marijuana. If you look the other way, most marijuana users don't experiment with other drugs later (some studies I remember).

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nice that someone agrees

[bloot]

Originally Posted by Paracelsus

The gateway theory didn't originate with marijuana. In the beginning of the twentieth century, when the public was told that marijuana causes insanity, murder and homosexuality, tobacco was portrayed as a gateway to marijuana use.

The marijuana gateway theory is true and false. If you look one way, most users of "hard" drugs started with marijuana. If you look the other way, most marijuana users don't experiment with other drugs later (some studies I remember).

Pretty much what I was saying in the past two posts I made.

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Oh really? Better check your last 2 posts. -0 points.