US influence on mexican drug politics and the north american union.

[fnord]

Lets start with some background info as most do not know what the NAU is,heres a link to a CNN video onthe subject or you can read the details on wikipedia,here or you casn get some info fro narco news by looking into atlantica which IMHO is a stepping stone to the NAU While no solid proof exists of the NAU it seems quite plausable.a deeper histoery can be foud here:http://www.lewrockwell.com/gregory/gregory145.html

North American Union
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The North American Union (NAU) is a theoretical regional union of Canada, Mexico and the United States similar in structure to the European Union, sometimes including a common currency called the Amero. Officials from all three nations have said there are no government plans to create such a union,[1] although the idea has been discussed and proposed in academic and scholarly circles, either as a union or as a North American community as proposed by the Independent Task Force on North America.

Now vincent fox has publicly stated when he was president that he is all for a north american union and seemed more then willing to let US policy dictate his actions.

he Merida Initiative is a security aid package to Mexico and parts of Central America that was recently approved. It has been dubbed Plan Mexico and is a three year $1.4 billion “Regional Security Cooperation Initiative.” Some have described it as more of a partnership as oppose to a foreign aid package. Plan Mexico is tied to the Security and Prosperity Partnership (SPP) and the continued integration of the U.S. , Canada and Mexico into a North American Union.

Much of Plan Mexico is based on the American war on drugs model, which has been costly and ineffective. This model relies primarily on military and law enforcement measures, leading to more surveillance, domestic spying, and further advancing the police state. Plan Mexico will see the transfer of equipment, technological support, and training in an effort to combat Mexico ’s growing drug trade. Some believe that this military approach will further escalate drug related violence and human rights’s abuses. There is a push for more military cooperation and the future development of a hemispheric police force that would be able to cross borders. This might not be necessary with creation of a North American Union, as our borders are being systematically erased and our sovereignty sacrificed.


Plan Mexico goes well beyond trying to stop the flow of illegal drugs. At a press conference from the third SPP Leader Summit in Montebello , Quebec in August of 2007, President Bush referred to Mexico ’s drug trade as a continental problem that demanded continental solutions. Laura Carlsen, the director of the Americas Program at the U.S.-based Center for International Policy, stated that Plan Mexico is intimately linked to the SPP. She said, “It would fundamentally restructure the U.S.-Mexico binational relationship, recast economic and social problems as security issues, and militarize Mexican society. “ She went on to say, “Through the SPP, the Bush administration has sought to push its North American trade partners into a common front that would assume shared responsibility for protecting the United States from terrorist threats, promoting and protecting the free-trade economic model, and bolstering U.S. global control.”


As much as half of Plan Mexico funding will go to the military, with later money allocated to law enforcement and judicial agencies. Drug cartels have managed to infiltrate the judicial system and almost every facet of Mexican law enforcement and military. There has been an undeclared border war for some time, with Mexican drug gangs and cartels vying for control. It has been reported by the mainstream media that some Mexican troops who received U.S. training have now switched sides and joined the cartels. There have also been reports of Mexican rogue military incursions across the border. The national media blackout surrounding the border violence has been lifted, as there are fears the violence could further spillover across on to the U.S. side.


Some might recall Plan Colombia , which was launched by the Clinton administration back in 2000. Since its inception, it has failed to reduce the flow of illegal drugs into the U.S. and has lead to more violence and corruption. New equipment, training, and strategy was later shifted from targeting drug cartels and used against those who oppose the government. Plan Columbia later morphed into the war on terror. There were up to 800 American trainers, including Special Forces, and up to 600 private contractors in Columbia . There are fears that Plan Mexico will result in more U.S. military involvement. The Merida Initiative threatens Mexican sovereignty, will broaden presidential powers, and promote militarization of the country.


The Plan Mexico strategy is part of the SPP and further integration into a North American Union. It will help in creating a fortress North America while spreading the SPP to other parts of the region. This is in an effort for the U.S. to further extend its foreign policy. There has been much speculation about possible American troop involvement, which both U.S. and Mexican authorities have adamantly denied. The U.S. is further merging its military and law enforcement with Canada and Mexico . Are we on the verge of a North American Union army? There are still many unanswered questions surrounding the U.S.-Canadian military agreement that was signed several months back.
http://intelstrike.com/?p=262

Im not really sure where im heading with this as i dont exactly have a question about this,i more wanted to get the word out.

Please leave your thoughts/opinions/deaththreats here.














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Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America
NASCOcorridor.com
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Interactive Map Of Proposed Corridor Route
Building a North American Community
Kansas City Smart Port
CANAMEX Trade Corridor
Oklahomans for Sovereignty and Free Enterprise
Texans Uniting for Reform and Freedom

[Lunar Loops]

Not really sure what you're trying to get at here either Fnord.

Are you trying to throw out there the notion that the USA has such a big say in Mexican drug policies because of the theoretical union of countries known as the North American Union (NAU)?

If so, I don't think it has any 'real' relevance as the USA attempts to exert influence on drug (and other) policies in every country on the planet.

Quite apart from that I would have thought the NAU to be similar to Narnia (although I'm open to education on the matter).

[rocksmokinmachine]

The North American Union is a very scary thing. Call me paranoid but i'm sure it's part of a huge conspiracy.

Does this end the US constitution as we know it end? Merging Canada, Mexico, and North America, a new currency?

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=TH9Vwx...eature=related

Watch this...

You wander why the NAU is not on the front of every newspaper in the world. Well understand that the people behind the NAU are the same people behind the mainstream media. We are not tol what we are not supposed to know.

[guldenat]

The NAU is purely theoretical at this point, and the idea that it is part of some conspiracy is pure conjecture based on a series of superficial 'evidence'. The assumption that it is a necessarily bad thing is also absurd. At this point an NAU would (theoretically) work much like the EU, rendering it not very 'scary' at all.

Originally Posted by rocksmokinmachine

The North American Union is a very scary thing. Call me paranoid but i'm sure it's part of a huge conspiracy.

Does this end the US constitution as we know it end? Merging Canada, Mexico, and North America, a new currency?

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=TH9Vwx...eature=related

Watch this...

You wander why the NAU is not on the front of every newspaper in the world. Well understand that the people behind the NAU are the same people behind the mainstream media. We are not tol what we are not supposed to know.

[rocksmokinmachine]

Originally Posted by guldenat

The NAU is purely theoretical at this point, and the idea that it is part of some conspiracy is pure conjecture based on a series of superficial 'evidence'. The assumption that it is a necessarily bad thing is also absurd. At this point an NAU would (theoretically) work much like the EU, rendering it not very 'scary' at all.

The initial proposal for the NAU was to make Canada, US and Mexico one state erasing ALL borders. Not much like the EU at all.

[guldenat]

Originally Posted by rocksmokinmachine

The initial proposal for the NAU was to make Canada, US and Mexico one state erasing ALL borders. Not much like the EU at all.

Who cares what the initial proposal was, that isn't the current model of the NAU, which is what we're talking about. The current model is a shared economy, and possibly currency. Given that the entire ordeal is hypothetical anyway, it doesn't really matter.

[RaverHippie]

I think the NAU hype is overblown. The only real thing is NAFTA and the SPP.

Why would we be creating a huge obnoxious fence dividing us from mexico if the puppetmasters are going to combine us in the near future anyways?

[Alfa]

The NAU seems to me to be an economical partnership, between a oppressive & intrusive superpower without morals, a poor disrupted country and a timid medium power country. So the power balance is way off and chances on Mexico and Canada being completely happy with the economic union seem pretty slim to me.

[guldenat]

Originally Posted by Alfa

The NAU seems to me to be an economical partnership, between a oppressive & intrusive superpower without morals, a poor disrupted country and a timid medium power country. So the power balance is way off and chances on Mexico and Canada being completely happy with the economic union seem pretty slim to me.

I tend to think Mexico could benefit, at the very least from gaining a new currency based on the combined GNPs of the three countries, as well as unrestricted access for migrant workers into the US. The US benefits from this by gaining the taxes from all the now-documented workers, as opposed to forcing them to work 'under the table' for fear of deportation.

The world at large might benefit, say some, because it is hoped that closer ties with Canada would have a moderating impact on the US and its policies (the two countries are already about as close as they can get without some formalized union).

Canada, as far as I can see, would hardly benefit at all.

[Alfa]

I find it difficult to understand why countries would economically tie themselves to a large country heading for a full economic crash.

[guldenat]

Originally Posted by Alfa

I find it difficult to understand why countries would economically tie themselves to a large country heading for a full economic crash.

They wouldn't... at least not now. As stated, the NAU is only theoretical in nature and their are no plans to make it a reality. This is all conjecture.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Union

[fnord]

Originally Posted by Alfa

I find it difficult to understand why countries would economically tie themselves to a large country heading for a full economic crash.

Americas collapses will not just effect the united states a quick look at how the baltic dry index has been acting the past 9 months will show that!! ,the auto industry is already starting to fail in cananda potentially loseing arond .6 milion jobs... I think the finicial crisis could be used as a stepping stone to merge 2 of the countrys and switch to one monetary unit dubed the "amero", admitited this is all highly doubtfull but still possible.


Im still not sure where im going with all this or how exactly it conects to teh war on drugs.. blah i need to lock up my keyboard next time grandma starts gettingthe urge to type! Alfa if this is too far offtopic fo r this forum i can change the title and it could be moved to some for all?


So glad this thread hasent decayed into a full blown illluminati rant yet....

[Alfa]

Originally Posted by fnord

Americas collapses will not just effect the united states

Isn't that an excellent reason to get economies the fuck away from being dependent upon the US?

It's probably a good reason to call Hu Jintao. Don't you think so?

Originally Posted by fnord

So glad this thread hasent decayed into a full blown illluminati rant yet....

It will. It is only a matter of time.

[Alfa]

I think it is less likely that Canada would choose to start using the Euro. And even that would be a wild move.

[Richard_smoker]

alfa, i think you're really on to something here.

an unopposed, moral-less superpower. it makes me very fearful to realize how much we've strayed away from common-sense morality. i mean, it's obvious that terrorism has an impact on EVERY nation in the world right now. And for the U.S. to feel so fucked-over and specifically picked-on by terrorists is a reflection of the short-sighted nature of the american culture.

i mean, it's a sad state of affairs when americans have absolutely no idea of what's actually going on the world without turning to BBC or Reuters.

I generally shy away from using quotes from "Michael Moore" movies as they typically are vastly dependent on some theoretical, one-sided views--despite the fact that many issues brought up in Moore's movies are downright truthful & revealing about our American ways.

But, I will break that silence with the following statement from "bowling for columbine". Ironically enough, it was Marylin Manson who first brings up this idea in the movie--and Moore later expands upon it. But he brings up his view of our Media (in general) being a constant harbinger of FEAR that insights CONSUMPTION--as long as we keep the people afraid, then they'll continue to consume.

Manson's examples include news shows constantly reporting on fear-this, fear-that, "Can ___ be trusted with you kids?" and other sensationalistic reports that are targeting our natural fear. Then suddenly commercials come on for various products: Buy Colgate because people with bad breath don't have friends. Buy x if you have pimples because otherwise you can't get laid. and so on, etc.

Societies that live in constant fear of everything are notoriously 'trigger-happy.' as long as we continue to live in fear of muslims and arabs and terrorists and black people and (fill in the blank), we will have a tendency to isolate ourselves from other people and we will continue dropping bombs on countries who we disagree with.

Bombs before negotiation is just fucking barbaric.
-DICK

OH, and what the fuck is going on with the US government (BUSH) deciding today that we will bail out GM and Chrysler??? WHAT IS SO COMPLICATED THAT THESE COMPANIES CANNOT FIGURE OUT ABOUT MANUFACTURING A CAR THAT AMERICANS WILL ACTUALLY *WANT* TO PURCHASE??? Bailouts are not the answer to this problem. The answers lie in all the much higher quality japanese, german, foreign-made cars! I've heard for the last decade from friends in the detroit auto-industry that they've been just 'breaking-even' on the car-sales. Trucks and SUV's have been the sole source of profit for American autos since the late 1990's. It doesn't take a genius to figure out how risky and non-diversified this kind of business practice is. yet another example of ostrich/head-in-the-sand thinking...seems these days that CEO's are more obsessed with year-by-year profits and being able to secure 10-20 million dollar annual salaries. when the shit gets tough, it's always treated like such a SURPRISE or SHOCKER. shit, that's what happens in every economic sector of every economy. But failure to plan for future years, failure to think past what *I* can get away with stuffing in *MY* pockets this year (sheltered from the future) is killing American corporations. The auto industry is one of the worst--if not THE worst. if we're going to shy away from competing with our foreign auto makers then we should at least have the common sense to regulate imports or stop allowing our people to have a choice in the kinds of cars they drive. the answer isn't to keep letting CEO's make 20 million a year while we give them tax dollar "loans" to make up for shitty-ass business practices.

[TimTrip]

i know this is like gravediggin, but swim really thinks some ppl in here should spend 2 hrs of their lifetime and watch the Zeitgeit movie!

The last post in here is a year ago now, and for me as a german it isn´t hard to see, that the us-dollar is goin to collapse in the near future, so i will tell what`s goin to happen as the same was goin on here in europe 9 years ago.

They will tell you that ther is only one way to save the economy and the country from its massive debts is to accept a new currency (amero), this will also increase and simplify the trade between the three mentioned countries (us,mex,ca).

IMO Canada is nearly in the same position as germany was 10 years ago, because of their stable currency and economy, so it´s clear who´s gonna pay the rent for this threesome. ^^.

Look we have the Euro today and our economy (as export leader no.1) is goin to collapse really.

Also we´ve got the European Parlament over here, which has become our new cantralized power instrument over the last years just like the EZB (European central bank - just like the us Federal reserve bank) where we all rent our money from.

Ppl this is just frightening, imo there WILL happen some real weird things in the near future. I really would like to believe all of this isn´t true, but if you take a look yourself you will find out that all signs r showing in this direction.

What do canadians think about this ??? (In swims head you are a real liberal country ^^)

plz guys share you thoughts, let´s grave diggin