Combinations - coffee and an addy

[mykeamine]

My stapler read that any substance which increases urine excretion (which only means you pee more, yea?) will lessen the effectiveness of Adderall (and any stimulant/ADHD med).

Do this mean by loading up on caffeine while speedy that one would, say, piss out all the amphetamine?

[Coconut]

Apparently caffeine prolongs and intensifies the effects of amphetamine. See here, near the end of the section.

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excellent reference

[mykeamine]

thanks for the reference. that's what swim likes to think when he downs a half gallon of java.

i despise those who despise wikipedia.

[Anope]

Yes caffeine speeds up the effect of Adderal.

Swim likes to buy a four pack of monster energy drinks when studying late on addy.

There are other posts on this same topic, just search for earlier threads for more information.

[eche05]

Originally Posted by Anope

Yes caffeine speeds up the effect of Adderal.

Swim likes to buy a four pack of monster energy drinks when studying late on addy.

There are other posts on this same topic, just search for earlier threads for more information.

Caffeine increses alertness but decresses memory encoding.

[Boca Bitch]

Caffeine has complimentary effects on amphetamine functions within the brain, and can prolong its half-life (meaning longer effects).

SWIM managed to stretch a typical 8hr amphetamine high into nearly 14hrs by bumping with caffeine. The result of course was a horrendous crash the next day lol.

[Felix Guattari]

Ruining amphetamines with jittery, dirty caffeine? No thanks.

However it certainly does seem to prolong effects in SWiM's experience as well - it just seems to distract from the mental feeling of calm which it gives him. Still, far better than methylphenidate and caffeine, which seems even jitterier - possibly due to its more plainly dopaminergic effects.

[Under the Counter]

Although caffeine may have a synergistic effect with amphetamines, SWIM wouldn't recommend drinking coffee with adderall due to the acidity of coffee, which may damage the amphetamines. A much more effective way would be to take a caffeine pill with the adderall, or to drink one of those energy drinks since most of them aren't as acidic as coffee.

[mykeamine]

Originally Posted by Under the Counter

Although caffeine may have a synergistic effect with amphetamines, SWIM wouldn't recommend drinking coffee with adderall due to the acidity of coffee, which may damage the amphetamines. A much more effective way would be to take a caffeine pill with the adderall, or to drink one of those energy drinks since most of them aren't as acidic as coffee.

coffee (being quite acidic) would destroy stomach acid, right?

wouldn't that mean it'd potentiate amphetamine and calcium carbonate (which destroys stomach acid potentiates amphetamine?

[Under the Counter]

Originally Posted by mykeamine

coffee (being quite acidic) would destroy stomach acid, right?

wouldn't that mean it'd potentiate amphetamine and calcium carbonate (which destroys stomach acid potentiates amphetamine?

Not exactly. You are correct in your assertion coffee is less acidic than stomach acid, thereby to an extent diluting stomach acid. However, since acids decrease amphetamine absorption, the better choice would be to take it with water, which has a neutral pH and and does a better job of diluting any stomach acid. The higher the pH a substance has, the better job it'll do neutralizing acids, which is why The reason calcium carbonate, which has a pH of roughly 8.1, is used as a potentiator. Furthermore, acidic drinks taking simultaneously will increase the acidity of one's urine, which will quicker elimination of amphetamines.

I couldn't find any direct sources, but if you google "taking adderall with acidic drinks", the responses that show up advise against doing this because it decreases its absorption. If caffeine does indeed have some sort of synergistic effect with amphetamines, the optimal way to exploit this would be to take adderall with a caffeinated substance that has a higher pH than coffee.

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informative and concise!

[Boca Bitch]

k... so coffee and an adderall is a no-no. I was pretty certain that caffeine potentiates it, while also increasing neurotoxicity. But this was just a hunch till I read this article.

http://www.jbc.org/cgi/content/abstract/277/39/36040

Caffeine is an MAOI!

[SmokingBowls420]

Swim has noticed he gets a semi re-peak when he has a big piss and holds it in while on addy....Caffiene adding to this might do the trick, but its a bad idea unless like a cup of coffee tops and swiy already has a tolerance to both amphetamines and caffiene.

[Laszlo1]

This is interesting.... the science seems to disprove what swim's experienced in real life.
Perhaps it was just mental but:
when swim does adderall, he usually makes a day of it, having learned that nights without sleeping cause his skin to go all shitty on him (what will the ladies think?!?!), so he usually splits 30mgs crushed XR beads into two lines and snorts em before he leaves home for class. He usually leaves home 45 minutes after snorting, and makes a big ol' mug of coffee before leaving. Each sip, to swim, seems to make the adderall "rush" which, while not really helping his alertness, makes the euphoria aspect of adderall sky rocket. He never really takes adderall without coffee, as he seems to crave it, but next time he has his hands on some, maybe he'll give it a shot without coffee and see if the duration is any better... Really interesting.

[dr. swim]

An associate once parachuted 40 mg, and then 10-15 minutes later followed it with a cigar and a shot of espresso.

In simplest words: holy ****. He had the most amazingly relaxed, clear-focused, and intensely euphoric stimulant high he has ever had.

Also, there was never any abrupt crash, instead the effects just slowly diminished over a period of about 8 hours. No hangover.