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Old 16-12-2008, 08:36
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is injecting cocaine worth it?

well swim has recently been curious about doing dope str8 up. swim can get clean good coke now..but knows its lame to shoot...swim does any drug for the rush..when he smoked out a bong he wants the rush..when he does coke..his lines are always .1g thats how he do it cuz he like the rush..swim wants to know if he should bust the mission of shooting coke..is it worth it? cuz thats all he can get his hands on at the moment..hes working on getting some good ice..but hes still curous..if she shoots say .3g of coke will it be worth it?
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Re: is it worth it?

thanks betsy..and yes swim does know what hes doing with needles..swim will try shooting cola first..btw hows do people get syringes..how can swim get a syringe without having to go to grandmas?

swim miswrote, he meant "constantly" shooting coke is lame.. well swim will def let swiy u know how it goes. for sure swim will start off small to see how it goes..but where can swim get a needle fast? swim has to go back to the medical campus to turn in some evaluation paperwork, hes thinking of snagging a few and telling them its for practice lol
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Old 18-12-2008, 02:39
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Re: is injecting cocaine worth it?

Coke is worth shooting if you like doing coke.


Basically to compare, at least to SWIM, it seemed much more intense over a much shorter period of time. It goes away fast and you feel like shit though afterwards.
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Old 20-12-2008, 02:42
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Re: is injecting cocaine worth it?

Would shooting it offer a better high than smoking 'pure' freebase? Swim would rather smoke anything, period, than shoot it. The risk of a deadly infection that comes without any warning is too scary for swim. Plus he doesn't want cuts floating around in his blood vessels, especially while on coke (vasoconstriction would increase the chances of thrombosis).
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Old 21-12-2008, 09:26
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Re: is injecting cocaine worth it?

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Would shooting it offer a better high than smoking 'pure' freebase? Swim would rather smoke anything, period, than shoot it. The risk of a deadly infection that comes without any warning is too scary for swim. Plus he doesn't want cuts floating around in his blood vessels, especially while on coke (vasoconstriction would increase the chances of thrombosis).
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Re: is injecting cocaine worth it?

Red Rock knows that injecting cocaine is not like snorting cocaine and that he feel in love for a time with the rush associated with IV'ed cocaine. However, he thinks that this was more because he was already an IV heroin addict and couldn't get heroin at the time but cocaine was rampant so he started shooting that. In his opinion, shooting cocaine lasts only several minutes and isn't worth it
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Old 22-12-2008, 13:13
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Re: is injecting cocaine worth it?

“It is worth it and it not worth it”, depends on the individual, it’s extremely dangerous, it will fuck SWIY veins really fast with constant use, on the other hand this is the reason why people do it; copied from another SWIM post.

Injecting cocaine is a very different from other methods of administration, with an injection with just a quick stop halfway to re-register and make sure the needle is still in the in vein the “flash” can be felt coming by the time the injection is done, at the proper dose the effects are massive and glorious.

The injection must be done fast, the faster cocaine is injected, the stronger the flash gets, this means injecting in 10 seconds or less for optimal results, the onset takes between 5 to up to 30 seconds (SWIM has no idea why this variability between individuals happens).

The metallic taste can be felt five to ten seconds after injection and it’s delicious, the heart starts beating faster and harder, breathing accelerates, the whole boy starts tingling and sweating, nausea can be felt depending on the dose, the subtle sound distortion suddenly explodes into full blown tinnitus and audio distortion and even visual distortions, pupils dilate (sometimes so much the eyes become completely black) and the euphoria bursts in a rush of pure ecstasy, the whole “flash” is one of the best things to experience in this world, 10 minutes of absolute bliss.

It cannot be explained with words, SWIY must take the train and feel it; from the moment the train can be felt coming a whole different human experience of existence begins.

However those 10 minutes can the be the very last, the dose required to have them is definitely in the very-high-risk zone and intravenous administration is the most dangerous way to take any substance, particularly cocaine due its cardiovascular effects, its extremely easy to overdose due varying purity and fast changing tolerance, an overdose feels like getting “run over” by the train instead of taking it and can easily kill anyone.

With repeated use it becomes compulsive for most lab monkeys to do more, more and a little bit more, with time, the flash disappears due tolerance and only some minor effects remain but SWIY would keep shooting trying to recreate that moment engraved in SWIY mind of the first few times.

SWIM could write 100 pages about the intravenous cocaine flash without capturing the sensations because they exceed the capability of words to transmit feelings.

People who have taken the train and pushed the dose up to the very limits their body can survive will never forget it as long as they live.

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Old 22-12-2008, 15:27
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Re: is injecting cocaine worth it?

Please don't shoot .3g your first time, especially if SWIY says it's pretty good stuff. Start with .1g max and see where that takes SWIY and go from there. Just be careful cuz once you hear the bell ring you won't want it to stop!
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Old 22-12-2008, 15:53
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Re: is injecting cocaine worth it?

First dose for a non-long term user should around 50mg, that will get the train in most non-tolerant users at the beginning of slamming 100mg would slam anyone to Jupiter 150mg achieves escape velocity from the solar system, 200mg is usually too overwhelming with fear and exhilaration.

As tolerance builds doses up to 300mg can be achieved but its usually such a strong flash that SWIY will wakeup in the middle of the night sweating, feeling the “taste” and feeling the train coming although it’s only a dream for a long time afterwards if he survives since the fatal dose for IV injection falls in the 500-1000mg range 300mg falls within the low-end LD50 in some experiments with rats.

For new users never inject more than 100mg until tolerance builds, half that will get the flash, but less intense, one warning; many people have ended in the ER raising the dose chasing the ultimate high(SWIM been there many times) other are not so lucky and die before getting to the hospital.

If SWIY have any pre-existing heart conditions never use coke; much less slammed it can kill SWIY and will eventually kill him since a weak heart increases risks x1000. In any case coke can randomly kill anyone.
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Old 22-12-2008, 20:19
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Re: is injecting cocaine worth it?

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People who have taken the train and pushed the dose up to the very limits their body can survive will never forget it as long as they live.
Agreed with all the above and this ^^.

Swim was an IV coke user before she was a heroin user.

Swim drop-kicked coke to the curb for heroin, but when she quit using, the memory of that cocaine rush was the one that would send her into flashbacks so strong that she would have to pull over her car and get out to clear her head. Even though swim loved heroin and missed it, it was mainly the cocaine experiences that sent her flying. She didn't want to use it again (Swim had an OD) she would just be hit with the experience at such random times, it floored her. It was as if swim had just done a shot; that's how strong the feelings were.

One never forgets that taste, the rush, the sounds, the euphoria. Swims legs are shaking now just thinking about, and swim does not use nor does she desire to use coke ... at all!

Swim was pretty level-headed in her coke use, but it takes an extreme amount of self-control, much of which goes out the window when you're feeling good (or coming down!) and chasing that first hit.

Swim could (almost) recreate that initial feeling with a set/reasonable amount of coke most of the time. Her OD came when she stupidly let someone else hit her with a much larger amount. Swim never wants to go there again. Not ever.

Thinking about it .... Although swim may have injected a relatively set amount each time, she did find herself wanting shots much sooner, so she really injected much more than she realized. See, it wasn't the high, it was the rush.

That's where one must be very careful and try to keep that head on straight.

You'll never get that first-time orgasmic^infinity- shot again; you get one first time and that's it. Sure, subsequent shots can be very pleasurable, but nothing like that first one. (Perhaps if one were to lay off it for a while they could get that high again, but swim can't testify to this since she quit)

As others have said, too, the high doesn't last long anyway and the come down is shitty.

Swim doesn't regret her heroin use nearly as much as she regrets her cocaine use.

Just food for thought ...

Be careful and always play on the safe side. Once it's in, it's in.
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Old 22-12-2008, 20:53
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Re: is injecting cocaine worth it?

My friend claims good coke that's slammed gives the most insane rush, and last hella long. I guess everyone's a little different, but my friend definitly wasn't bullshitting length, as it wasn't completely relevant to the conversation.
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Old 22-12-2008, 21:01
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Re: is injecting cocaine worth it?

For swim, the high lasted a long time. It was the rush never that lasted long enough, lol.
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Old 22-12-2008, 23:04
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Re: is injecting cocaine worth it?

SWIM does coke about once a month and consums about .1g a shot, using about 1.5g in the session. Over the last year SWIM has had a supply of decent product which has now ended. This has been the best -
exhilarating and also scary for each shot. The rush is the just so intense.

The downside is that in the last two sessions, SWIM has been having panic attacks mid-fun. SWIM has been lucky not have OD experiences, but has been getting shortness of breath and some chest tightness/pain. Not having access to benzos to calm SWIM has limited the enjoyment, as SWIM has to try and restore order himself. Now each shot has sense of forboding associated with it.

Shooting coke for SWIM has been great so far. SWIM has said before that this is a big boys game - he is not sure if he can still play. Be careful - it can easily wear thin.
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Old 22-12-2008, 23:18
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Re: is injecting cocaine worth it?

swim found the rush v intense but the come down and subsequent paranoia far worse. use less that you would usually use in a hit deffo to be safe, there is no going back once you jack up. swim would use coke again if she had the chance but would not inject it
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Re: is injecting cocaine worth it?

The rush and the high are a million times better, but swim told swim that the come down, and subsequent "jonesing" are equal times greater as well. From swims experience don't do it unless swiy wants to do it all day every day. Swim found that after trying it once the normal way just didn't cut it, and that is a slippery slope. So unless swiy wants to get hooked on the needle stay away.
Also, swim noticed the neddle itself is addictive in a psycological way. Swim found the process to have a massive psycological effect, swim noticed this with opiates as well. Swim can't stress this enough, be careful, everything you do has conquences, and the payoff seems to equal the conquences, if that makes any sense.
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Old 23-12-2008, 01:15
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Re: is injecting cocaine worth it?

Swim says that once a needle touched her arm, nothing ever went up her nose again. It seemed like a waste to swim.

Swim is not glorifying the needle, just agreeing that it's definitely a whole new ballgame.

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SWIM does coke about once a month and consums about .1g a shot, using about 1.5g in the session. Over the last year SWIM has had a supply of decent product which has now ended. This has been the best -
exhilarating and also scary for each shot. The rush is the just so intense.

The downside is that in the last two sessions, SWIM has been having panic attacks mid-fun. SWIM has been lucky not have OD experiences, but has been getting shortness of breath and some chest tightness/pain. Not having access to benzos to calm SWIM has limited the enjoyment, as SWIM has to try and restore order himself. Now each shot has sense of forboding associated with it.

Shooting coke for SWIM has been great so far. SWIM has said before that this is a big boys game - he is not sure if he can still play. Be careful - it can easily wear thin.
Swim found out that those panic attacks when using can become a conditioned reflex/learned response.

The first time it happens is so scary that one watches for it the next time they use, and can end up subconsciously bringing on the expected reaction.

Not fun.

Swim's suggestion is to do an even smaller amount than normal and see if the same reaction happens. Just the anticipation of that rush can bring on anxiety once one experiences it the first time. Maybe a much smaller shot =less foreboding. Swiy could then work swiy's way back up to a normal dose once he is reconditioned.


Swim knew some people who used OTC sleeping pills to help take off the edge. Swim is not recommending this! Swim does not know the effects of mixing coke with OTC sleeping aids. She's just saying that others have sworn by it (only for when benzos were not available is what swim means). Personally, swim doesn't know if it's worth trying, lol, only suggesting. :=)
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Re: is injecting cocaine worth it?

Thanks for the response ScorpioSunshine. SWIM thinks you are right, that the panic is becoming a conditioned reflex. It doesn't happen during the rush, but usually at a point somewhere in the high starting to decline. SWIM has a supply ready for the end of the week and will try with a smaller dose as you suggested. Strangely SWIM uses with SWIMGF and they have equal amounts each time. SWIMGF has no bad reactions (though in the past she has had a bad reaction when SWIM hasn't - her tollerance is a bit lower). SWIM feels like an idiot carrying on now about feeling not good when she is fine. SWIM will now try having less than her and see what happens - if SWIMGF is fine and SWIM is f**cked up - SWIM has a problem.

Unfortuanately OTC sleep tablets and SWIM do not agree - SWIM appears to get a mild form of serotonin syndrome (too much serotonin in SWIM's system) when using them, with a buzzing head and extended tinitus.

Anyway in this part of the world (Australia), quality product is hard to get. The supplier which SWIM has been using just sold SWIM the last of the product he intends to sell. The supplier is giving up as the product in an acceptable form is just too hard to source. SWIM probably won't bother paying the $$$ they ask for other crap here (probably four times the cost of the product in the US/Europe). SWIM may have to give up and this may not be a bad thing
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Old 23-12-2008, 03:22
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Re: is injecting cocaine worth it?

No problem. :=)

Swiy shouldn't feel like an idiot! Putting it out there can be a big help, and swiy is in touch with the risks, dangers and the way it affects him. Swiy is being proactive which is a major plus!


And giving it up is never a bad thing. :=)

Swiy should keep this forum updated on his progress, state of mind, etc.

Best wishes ;=)
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Old 23-12-2008, 04:16
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Re: is injecting cocaine worth it?

swim thanks everyone for the input..and has decided it just isnt worth it to him given that coke is readily accesible to him and doesnt want to "never snort again" lol..hell keep the needle affair for whenever he gets some ice or H..that crazy scientist!
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Re: is injecting cocaine worth it?

if it's not broke why try to fix it, aggreed iv coke is intense and possibly the best, potentially a bottomless pit a friend of swims a previous iv user heroin etc moved on from rec use with friends and wondered what hitting up coke would be like, enough to to say after a short period of time his sanity is hanging by a thread, his arms are like a second hand dart board and he has gone back to CA.

Each to his own, swims experience of hitting up coke or smoking crack is it's good ..... too fucking good.
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Re: is injecting cocaine worth it?

Once SWIY starts, the first hits are the ultimate flash (rush), its lasts around 10 minutes, peaking about 60-120 seconds after injection, the high lasts around 30 minutes in total, then the downward spiral begins; the flash last less, the high shortens, dose has to be increased until SWIY you can barely felt it but SWIY will still do it over and over again chasing that flash from the first times, increasing dose, slamming every 5 minutes, gram after gram gone by, paranoia and fear and the eventual descent into psychosis.

Until something catastrophic happens or SWIY stops, then SWIY is left in the deepest misery thinking “Why the fuck I am doing this?” nothing gives pleasure and the though of more coke its present even in SWIY dreams.

SWIM has been traveled that road several times when he lost control and has seen many people, girlfriend, friends and strangers follow that road to its last checkpoint, the hospital morgue.

Its worth it and its not worth it, depends on the road every individual takes in life.

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Re: is injecting cocaine worth it?

you can get syringes at pharmacy's. like cvs and rite aid. u gotta know what size want tho or they won't give them to u.

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Re: is injecting cocaine worth it?

Another, older and much wiser in the ways of cocaine member of the forums said:

"There is a reason you see no iv cocaine junkies. They end up dead or in rehab".

Be that as it may, one should always always exert caution when iv'ing any non pharmaceutical grade drug. I.E.

1) Sterility
Cocaine has traveled from the bare feet of a dude in a jungle, through another dudes ass, to a basement, in an alley, into your possession. Its contaminated beyond believe and cut with all short of crap. The LEAST swim can do is buy a god damn whatman 0.22um syringe filter, its dirt cheap and will very literally sterilize the cocaine solution.
ALWAYS USE STERILE EQUIPMENT.

2) Vein health
Invest in a few butterflies, sit in a comfortable environment, and be careful to not tear any veins.

3) Dosage caution
Always err on the lower end of the spectrum, assume that what you are using is pure cocaine, its probably not, but if it is and you use more you are dead. PREPARE THE DOSES BEFORE HAND while your hands are not shaking and your mind is not clouded by "another hit". Do have more cocaine within the premises while using. Keep a log of how much and when you used while using, it can deter you from doing stupid things.

4) General safety
IV cocaine can be a bitch, have someone with you that can at least pull your tongue out and call the paramedics. SWIM wont go into the details of medically treating a cocaine overdose because iv administration of sedatives by untrained personnel can be even more dangerous. BUT, one should keep the patient calm if possible, cool, and with open airways. The ABC of first aid is Airways, Breathing, Cardiac function. So, keep airways open (from vomit, blood, tongue etc) and perform cpr until help arrives.

5) Afterwards

When swim decides to stop using or the prepared doses run out, swim should pop something in the nature of a benzodiazepine (20mg valium or something equivalent) and call it a night. SWIM argues that using a sedative AFTER the final dose puts a "closure" to the experience and doesn't leave the user wanting for more possibly doing stupid things.

6) Long term

IV cocaine rarely is a long term habit, the costs outweigh the benefits very rapidly, if swim is using more than once a weak he is pushing it way way too much. Even one's a weak is too much in swims opinion. But in any case, eating healthy and exercising is a VERY VERY big help.

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Old 14-11-2009, 15:14
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Re: is injecting cocaine worth it?

A man in a park once told me that after shooting coke, you would never want to snort it again. Cowboy doesn't agree, but it was the man's honest opinion and is worth a shot.
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Re: is injecting cocaine worth it?

swim doesn't know many people, or anyone actually, who have gone back to snorting once they felt the rush from the needle.

Swim would compare it to an adrenaline junkie going back to bungee jumping after having been skydiving.

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