Experiences - Hallucinating intensely when coming down off ecstasy

[emdee-emay]

i was putting this in a reply to a thread back from 2005 but after writing it out i realised that the hallucinations my marmoset was having were way to intense to write down on an old thread that would get viewed.
as a note i only hallucinate when coming down, and are intensified if i smoke myself blind with marijuana. my marmoset hallucinates on all different pills other times more so than others, but his friends all report hallucinating but i don't think as intense as my marmoset . anyways here's his story -

"i've searched a bit on the internet and never came across something so similar to my experience. people say it is hard to explain what you hallucinate and their nature but c-banks has explained it so well. it's basically the same as i have experienced. i went looking into hallucinating on pills as i hallucinate almost too much. they mainly revolve around people. i only really see them when it's dark, not pitch black but very dark. the almost darkness makes everything ambiguous, if that makes sense. things look like things their not.
my hallucinations have been extremely vivid and extremely entertaining but at one point i was fearing for my life. i like c-banks say have heard very clear conversations. they occur parallel to your conscious thought and you can't stop them. it's like several videos playing full blast in your mind and you can't stop them. just irritating. i have been able at some points imagine anything i wanted. looking at a tree i saw a morphing person which i eventually got to stay as a constant image of a lady with a white shirt and small black backpack hugging a tree. i've also seen one friends reach out and give another friends a light in what i would describe as extremely intense. right in front of my eyes, green-blue based negative colour with lots of sparkles and phosphenes (if anyone knows what these are?). one friend i remember vividly was wearing a patterned hoodie.
the point i feared my life was when on holidays with friends i attempted to sleep on the beach by myself after smoking weed and coming down of pills. at first the hallucinations where just weird. the real world would almost fog over and i would feel as if i was somewhere else. this time i thought i was sitting at the main street of the town where there was a round about and i could see cars and hear them. i could only notice this wasn't real when i tried to consciously think clearly then all would disappear but it was very diffiuclt to focus on the real world. then i could hear people everywhere. i know that for sure that night at some point people were walking on the beach but seeing these people and hearing their voices intensified my hallucinations and caused me to have an almost full blown psychosis. i was seeing almost hundreds of people. constantly walking around and morphing. i stared at a point which always looked like a different person walking towards me and realised it was just a rock and with enough focus could tell no one was there but i couldn't stop seeing these people. eventually i was convinced people had slowly crept up on me hiding amongst the rocks on the beach, waiting to bash me. at one point i saw a man with a shaved head only 5 metres in front of me smiling at me, i blinked and he went away then when i looked back the side of my hoodie became a person and i freaked out as i thought someone was standing right next to me. then i reached a point where i couldn't stay any longer. i saw a light far off on the beach, and it was panning the beach as if too look for people. this light was real. i could tell as it never changed, not matter how much i blinked or focused, which means it was real. it was getting closer and closer, at that point i freaked out completely and split back to where my friends where staying. i went down the path to these train tracks and i looked back and saw a girl standing right behind me, i screamed then blinked and focused and realised it was only a tree.
that was the most intense experience i'd ever had.
a few nights later i took three pills (the other time i only took one), these pills were mediocre-shit. but after coming down and smoking weed i would start to drift off slowly into a weird hole in my mind. everything would black out and i would be somewhere else. when someone said my name it felt like this weird return to reality. similar to falling or being dowsed with cold water. if you have ever tried making yourself pass out from blowing on you thumbs , it was similar to that "coming back" except much quicker."

the underlying motif in these hallucinations are lots of different people and noise that never dies as if you are still partying but your alone and no-ones around. they are most intense alone. i was wondering if anyone has gotten these before. people say they hallucinate but they never describe them in such detail as my marmost has seen then.

[Humanity]

SWIM is no expert but he suggests you doublecheck your source as what SWIY is getting most probably isnt't MDMA nor a derivative. SWIM assumes SWIY and his friends usually share the same batch of pills which would explain why they also get these hallucinations.
Surely, hallucinations aren't unheard of while taking MDMA, but to the best of my knowledge, the thing SWIY described is out of limits with it.

I know it's your first post etc, but read the forum rules more carefully and you'll find out how not to incriminate yourself here, it's for your own good you know

Best of luck!

[Boca Bitch]

The grand majority of ecstasy pills are cut, many don't contain any MDMA at all. SWIM had to go to the hospital about three weeks ago for ecstasy OD, after only taking two tripple stacks.
The toxicology report showed: MDMA, LSD, -amphetamine, dextroamphetamine, methamphetamine, and DMT.
The hospital doctor reported a mix of LSD and amphetamines to be very common in many cases he saw. These rolls attempt to replicate the effects of pure MDMA by being hallucinogenic and "speedy."
The problem with this is that the half-life of LSD is much longer than that of amphetamines. So it's probable that SWIY's rolls were of this nature.

[ihavequestions]

swiy said that swiy hallucinates on all different types of pills. but does SWIY mean pills and in different ecstasy pills? or does he mean prescription pills etc?

swim would think that if it just E pills and it happened with dif types of E pills than maybe swiy is allergic to a common cut that is being used. that, or his sources are cutting his E with all types of hallucinogenic substances.

if however swiy also hallucinates on prescription pills too(if that what swiy meant" then swim would suggest seeing a doc about it.

[Raz]

Originally Posted by Boca Bitch

The grand majority of ecstasy pills are cut, many don't contain any MDMA at all. SWIM had to go to the hospital about three weeks ago for ecstasy OD, after only taking two tripple stacks.
The toxicology report showed: MDMA, LSD, -amphetamine, dextroamphetamine, methamphetamine, and DMT.
The hospital doctor reported a mix of LSD and amphetamines to be very common in many cases he saw.

Can you acquire a toxicology report ? This are some heavy claims and SWIM finds them rather doubtful since this would be the first case of LSD/DMT in ecstasy (as far as he knows). What were the quantities of the substances found ?

What does tripple stacked mean in SWIY's area ? How heavy/big were the pills ? How much MDMA did they contain ?

In which cases did the doctor say that the LSD & amphetamine mixture was common ?

Also there is a difference between hallucinations and illusions. Most people use the term hallucinations too lightly.

[ihavequestions]

SWIM has also heard of many pills cut with LSD and emphetamines. but he has never heard of DMT thrown in there especialy since it is pretty rare to come by.

[Raz]

Originally Posted by ihavequestions

SWIM has also heard of many pills cut with LSD and emphetamines. but he has never heard of DMT thrown in there especialy since it is pretty rare to come by.

What pills ? MDMA pills ? Does SWIM have any sources for the LSD laced pills or just "heard it through the grapevine" ?

[ihavequestions]

Originally Posted by Raz

What pills ? MDMA pills ? Does SWIM have any sources for the LSD laced pills or just "heard it through the grapevine" ?

swims friend got a pill from a source that was said to be speed based along with LSD in there. from his experience it seemed to match the effects of a small dose of LSD. but then again it could have been some type of research chemical as they werent able to test the contents of the pill.

what swim doesnt understand is why people have a hard time beleiving that LSD could be in an MDMA pill. LSD can come in powder form and could be put in there as a cut. but swim has also heard of many other people claiming there pills had LSD in them due to the effects but none of these claims have any emperical evidence. but i mean is there something that doesnt add up when people claim they ha acid in there MDMA?

[Boca Bitch]

Originally Posted by Raz

Can you acquire a toxicology report ? This are some heavy claims and SWIM finds them rather doubtful since this would be the first case of LSD/DMT in ecstasy (as far as he knows). What were the quantities of the substances found ?

What does tripple stacked mean in SWIY's area ? How heavy/big were the pills ? How much MDMA did they contain ?

In which cases did the doctor say that the LSD & amphetamine mixture was common ?

Also there is a difference between hallucinations and illusions. Most people use the term hallucinations too lightly.

When SWIM was in the hospital she was forced to listen to their conversations through a closed door (her senses were heightened, and they didn't seem to notice this). This is what she told me after -

I heard mention of my toxicology report, and immediately screamed for my doctor; I was EXTREMELY on-edge, so I wasn't exactly sweet to the ER staff. After a minute he entered with a nurse, and I asked for the results of my report. They looked at me like "how the fuck did you know" and then lied to my face telling me it was pure MDMA, then looked at each other and winked.
So being in an extremely ragged state, to much protest of the doctor I jumped off my bed, walked out of the room dragging my fluids along to see the actual report. When they tried to stop me, I yelled at them that I have a right to know.
There were a couple of "toxins" I didn't recognize, but I did see -amphetamine, two variations of dextroamphetamine, methamphetamine, Lysergic Acid Diethylamide (LSD), methylenedioxymethamphetamine (MDMA), and Dimethyltrytamine (DMT). Quantities were measured by presence in blood. So, I'm not sure of the proportions of the pill.

Tripple stacked tabs, mean three times as potent as standard X (whatever the fuck "standard" means).

After I read the report, I asked the doctor what it meant (playing dumb). So he explained the presence of LSD and amphetamines being a fairly common combination in ecstasy tabs consumed by patients he and his staff has seen. I forgot to mention, this all took place at Mt. Siani Medical Center on Miami Beach, so it's safe to say they've seen a hell of a lot of patients for ecstasy.

What I mostly experienced was extreme paranoid delusions (believing the medical staff was trying to kill me). But I did experience one true hallucination, in which I had a conversation with a friend that came to visit me. Except for the fact that my friend didn't actually come, nor did he try to rape me like I believed him to. Whether or not there were more hallucinations I'm not sure. I have no idea what the fuck actually happened for the two days I was trippin balls in the hospital bed.

[Alfa]

Originally Posted by Boca Bitch

So he explained the presence of LSD and amphetamines being a fairly common combination in ecstasy tabs consumed by patients he and his staff has seen.

That is highly unlikely, since LSD is not easy to make and pretty scarce in many places. The typical ecstasy producer would not know how to make LSD, nor have access to precursors.

[Boca Bitch]

Originally Posted by Alfa

That is highly unlikely, since LSD is not easy to make and pretty scarce in many places. The typical ecstasy producer would not know how to make LSD, nor have access to precursors.

Let me try this again.. :P

I live in Miami. Acid blotters are apparently inexpensive. It's a pretty common drug here.

[Micklemouse]

Originally Posted by Boca Bitch

When SWIM was in the hospital she was forced to listen to their conversations through a closed door (her senses were heightened, and they didn't seem to notice this). This is what she told me after -

Boca, while this sounds like a horrific experience, there are a couple of points to consider.

Firstly, without the actual analysis (results, meaning, etc) just seeing a tox report means very little. It sounds like the hospital runs an enhanced EMIT or similar as standard in these cases, & what was seen was the result sheet for that test. A toxicology report such as this will list all the substances tested for, whether they show up or not. After the substance name will be an amount, either ( mg/ml, µg/ml, ng/ml depending on the substance, &/or a star or other form of indicating that there is a significant amount of said substance in the blood stream. Just seeing a tox report does not indicate the presene of those chemicals - without the analysis it is just a list of names that are tested for.

Secondly, by her own admission, your friend was off her head & paranoid, & in no state to be analysing the result sheet or fully taking in what was being said to her. While her senses may have been heightened, her critical faculties will not have been. Sorry to be so blunt, but from experience this is highly likely to be true.

[Micklemouse]

Originally Posted by Boca Bitch

The grand majority of ecstasy pills are cut, many don't contain any MDMA at all. SWIM had to go to the hospital about three weeks ago for ecstasy OD, after only taking two tripple stacks.
The toxicology report showed: MDMA, LSD, -amphetamine, dextroamphetamine, methamphetamine, and DMT.
The hospital doctor reported a mix of LSD and amphetamines to be very common in many cases he saw. These rolls attempt to replicate the effects of pure MDMA by being hallucinogenic and "speedy."
The problem with this is that the half-life of LSD is much longer than that of amphetamines. So it's probable that SWIY's rolls were of this nature.

I very much doubt that the pills contaned DMT, or that it would be tested for. It may well show in blood tests as it is a naturally occurring chemical in the human body - from TIHKAL http://www.erowid.org/library/books_...tihkal06.shtml

A methylating enzyme has been found in blood, capable of forming DMT in plasma, and it is present in both normal subjects and schizophrenics. It is not surprising that studies comparing DMT blood levels between patients (psychotic depression, acute and chronic schizophrenia) and normal subjects have shown no differences.

It is also worth noting that MDMA is reported to stimulate MAOI production in mammals. http://neurotransmitter.net/mdmametabolites.html

Regarding halflifes, LSD is around 2.5 hours, whereas Amfetamines are anywhere from 7 - 32 hours. Duration of effect is not a good indication of halflife, which is the time it takes for the body to break down half of the original dose.

As for LSD showing up in a tox report, again highly unlikely due to the cost involved (~$60, on to of the standard battery, according to http://www.a1b2c3.com/drugs/lsd08c.htm). That said, not impossible, if insurance covers it &/or the doctor has a special nterest I suppose. It would certainly be interesting to see a tox report that covered these rare chemicals (person identifiable info blacked out of course!)

Remember that MDMA itself has a psychedelic edge, even more so as it breaks down into MDA, so it is not surprising that many report hallucinations on the comedown, especially taking into account the already mentioned sleep deprivation & potential cannabis intake on the comedown.

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because he talks with knowledge.

[RaverHippie]

Also since DMT is inactive orally without an MAOI....

[KomodoMK]

I have never come across a pill that has contained LSD or DMT.

There is one confirmed case (this year) of a pill containing 5-MeO-DMT though, and there is also one confirmed case of a pill containing Aspirin, Heroin and Fluoxetine back in 2003/2004, co-incidentally both pills were imprinted with a Motorola logo.

There are quite a few reports of pills containing Ketamine, 5-MeO-DiPT and DXM, all of which can cause hallucinations.

Everything I have talked about above has been confirmed by professional GC/MS lab testing and information shouldn't be too hard to come by with a google search. You just know someone is going to come along and call bullshit on the Heroin part as it's a suspected myth - well it has been found, at least on one occasion.

[Raz]

KomodoMK: SWIM isn't saying that there is no possibility for the above combination but people make A LOT of false claims what their ectasy really contains. Also the doctor confirming that it is common ... Fishy

Myth would be that brown pills contain heroin.

[FooManChoo]

Swim says being up for a few days just on the molly alone can get pretty damn trippy. Swim hallucinated pretty hard on it twice some time back. He weren't smoking often then and both times involved being awake on good grade ping-ers for a while then punching a cone or two.

[Raz]

Boca Bitch: What drugs did SWIY consume in the last, let's say seven days ?

"Two variations" of dextro amphetamine sounds like part of Adderall's content.

SWIM doesn't like the doctor. If one has MDMA & LSD in their blood that doesn't mean that they were both in a ecstasy pill. Candy flip anyone ?

[Boca Bitch]

Originally Posted by Raz

Boca Bitch: What drugs did SWIY consume in the last, let's say seven days ?

"Two variations" of dextro amphetamine sounds like part of Adderall's content.

SWIM doesn't like the doctor. If one has MDMA & LSD in their blood that doesn't mean that they were both in a ecstasy pill. Candy flip anyone ?

SWIM was immediately asked by the doctor about everything he's done... so he responded with what he knew would show up in blood/urine tests.

So that would be cannabis and the ecstasy rolls. There was no need to make mention of amphetamines (such as Adderall) because he hadn't taken them for two weeks, or cocaine, which was also about two weeks before. However, after the initial urine test he heard a nurse screaming that these were "death rolls" followed by the doctor asking SWIM if he'd ever done any variation of morphine.
Ooops.. he forgot about the roxies that he'd railed the night before. XD

I wanted to apologize for my breaking of the "Self-incrimination rule." Obviously I am new here, but knew SWIM wouldn't mind his identity being revealed when discussing the ecstasy incident, since it's on record anyway. I though the rule was more about user preference, not one that was strictly enforced. Sorry.. it won't happen again.

[podge]

Hallucinating at the tail end of an MDMA experience isnt uncommon especially at larger doses. After a few hours of ingestion MDMA breaks down into MDA, MDA is reported to be much more hallucinagenic than MDMA explaining swiys experience. Swim has had a few experiences after (untested) pills and other times with crystal MDMA where he has had completely believeable hallucinations some involving hanging out with his friends who simply werent there.... some are very convincing, so swim thinks its best to not take such high doses as when things get that weird and believeable it could be dangerous especially outside with traffic and what not.

[emdee-emay]

thank you for all the responses.
i'm must say SWIM is not stupid. he does is research. he knows that he didn't get LSD in his pill. he would definately know and everyone else would as well. SWIM is more than positive, adamant that the pill contained MDMA and/or any of it's derivatives. He said they were one of the best pills in Sydney, infamously known to be excellent. SWIM says that was his first peak and best pill he ever took to this day, but he didn't hallucinate to much on it. but's thats because he didn't smoke weed or stay out by himself. although he took them again a few months later, and again excellent and he went home to some interesting stuff while trying to sleep. SWIM says that in sydney it is often common for people to experience things similar to what SWIM has. usually seeing or feeling people that aren't there, especially when leaving from a big party to a small group, the room still full and you have the sound of the party buzzing in your ear. and i'll say again it's only on the come down



this sounds much more correct to me:

"Remember that MDMA itself has a psychedelic edge, even more so as it breaks down into MDA, so it is not surprising that many report hallucinations on the comedown, especially taking into account the already mentioned sleep deprivation & potential cannabis intake on the comedown."

i immediately agree with this because one i know that mickelmouse knows his drugs and has done his research and it sounds the most logical and i already knew all this just needed it to be put in words.

and like mickelmouse said (and i was going to say), DMT occurs naturally in the body and apparently as i've read in a few sources it's not tested for...idk.
also DMT is an MAOI and correct me if i'm wrong but it's bad to take maoi's with MDMA and it can kill you.

As Raz said, the word hallucinate is used too lightly and thank you for the links. i think these things SWIM sees are a mixture of hallucinations and illusions but it says:

A hallucination, in the broadest sense, is a perception in the absence of a stimulus. In a stricter sense, hallucinations are defined as perceptions in a conscious and awake state in the absence of external stimuli which have qualities of real perception, in that they are vivid, substantial, and located in external objective space.

this sounds pretty much like what SWIM saw. idk about absence of stimulus cause he had his eyes open and was on a beach but being on a beach and being more than convinced (there was no convincing needed, SWIM said it felt completely real) that he was on the road at the round-a-bout watching and hearing the cars going past. and like it says above it was in an external objective spaces. most of what he saw seemed very real. just random people walking around.

it's the funnest shit out. seriously very interesting

thanks for all the replies though. i didn't know that MDMA broke down in MDA when metabolized. i just wanted an explanation, didn't think anything was wrong.

[Doubleup]

When swim has had cases of minor Amphetamine-psychosis.. No X ingested.
sometimes after only being up for a day or two swim would have very real seeming hallucinations.. many times they were quite paranoid and delusional. (such as.. swims gf's eyes seeming to open and close while she was asleep, hearing people knock at the door when noones there, seeing other people in the mirror when going into the bathroom.. etc.)
Swim found that these cases always seemed to happen when swim hasnt been taking care of swims body while speeding.
since XTC and amp are cousins, Swim doesnt see why amphetamine psychosis type symptoms couldnt become present after binging on XTC.

[Micklemouse]

T.D., please do not repost posts that are already elsewhere - link to it & add something novel to the thread.

[T.D]

Originally Posted by Micklemouse

T.D., please do not repost posts that are already elsewhere - link to it & add something novel to the thread.

How do I link to a post?