Drug info - This guy I know has a box of k and has never done it

[zodg1lla]

So this friend of a friend i know has a box of ketamine with 10 vials in it, 5ml each vial.

He has never done it before and wants to know whether he should air dry it or cook it dry.

He also wanted to know once it is in powder form how will he know how big of a bump to take? He doesn't really know how to figure out how many mg's is a good dose and how to find out if you are doing the correct amount of mg's since he doesn't know how to weigh it.

[RaverHippie]

is there a known mg/ml ratio when the box was acquired?

[zodg1lla]

Originally Posted by RaverHippie

is there a known mg/ml ratio when the box was acquired?

100mg per mL

so 500mg a vial.

[CrookedEye]

SWIM likes to either use a pan in a double boiler method, or to place it in a pyrex baking dish on low in the oven (200 degrees F or lower) checking on it periodically and sometimes swishing it around the pan to help the water cook off faster, but not to overcook it.. If one cooks it too fast it can turn brown and have diminished effects, but will still work.. Slower evaporation should provide larger crystals, but they aren't really necessary when insufflating, as one usually wants it as fine as possible..

As for dosing, one should start low, with probably a tenth or so (maybe less in very sensitive people), to get an idea of the effects, however, SWIM often will start (after a long period of non-use) with just a small amount on the tip of an average sized house key, and if in 15 mins isn't feeling much, he does one or two more.. He, also, often gets up to doing a 1/4 to half gram line at a time, with repeated trips or when he uses over extended periods.

He split a gram into 3 lines and finished that in less than 2 hours, just yesterday, but this was after using 1-3 grams a day for over a week.. SWIM has done 8 grams in 2 days of ketachloride, at his largest binge, which SWIM feels was pretty over the top and unhealthy, yet provided him with quite some strange and profound experiences..

[zodg1lla]

Originally Posted by CrookedEye

SWIM likes to either use a pan in a double boiler method, or to place it in a pyrex baking dish on low in the oven (200 degrees F or lower) checking on it periodically and sometimes swishing it around the pan to help the water cook off faster, but not to overcook it.. If one cooks it too fast it can turn brown and have diminished effects, but will still work.. Slower evaporation should provide larger crystals, but they aren't really necessary when insufflating, as one usually wants it as fine as possible..

As for dosing, one should start low, with probably a tenth or so (maybe less in very sensitive people), to get an idea of the effects, however, SWIM often will start (after a long period of non-use) with just a small amount on the tip of an average sized house key, and if in 15 mins isn't feeling much, he does one or two more.. He, also, often gets up to doing a 1/4 to half gram line at a time, with repeated trips or when he uses over extended periods.

He split a gram into 3 lines and finished that in less than 2 hours, just yesterday, but this was after using 1-3 grams a day for over a week.. SWIM has done 8 grams in 2 days of ketachloride, at his largest binge, which SWIM feels was pretty over the top and unhealthy, yet provided him with quite some strange and profound experiences..

So if SWIM didn't trust SWIMs cooking skills and SWIM had time could SWIM possibly air dry it? how long would it take?

[CrookedEye]

Too many factors to really give an adequate answer, such as room temperature, surface area of evap dish, air movement, humidity, etc.. Although SWIY may not be sure of their cooking skills, SWIM would suggest just trying one of the above methods, and keeping an eye on it, watching that it doesn't boil or spatter, because once the dish gets hot, if one is worried, they can remove the dish from heat and swirl the water around and watch as the crystals form.. If they are white, SWIY is alright, if they're brown, turn the heat down... SWIM even knows of folks who cook it down in the microwave, and just turn it off when the water starts to spatter or boil, but beware of K coated microwaves then... LOL

[zodg1lla]

Originally Posted by CrookedEye

Too many factors to really give an adequate answer, such as room temperature, surface area of evap dish, air movement, humidity, etc.. Although SWIY may not be sure of their cooking skills, SWIM would suggest just trying one of the above methods, and keeping an eye on it, watching that it doesn't boil or spatter, because once the dish gets hot, if one is worried, they can remove the dish from heat and swirl the water around and watch as the crystals form.. If they are white, SWIY is alright, if they're brown, turn the heat down... SWIM even knows of folks who cook it down in the microwave, and just turn it off when the water starts to spatter or boil, but beware of K coated microwaves then... LOL

If SWIM has 10 vials, 5 mL each, how much should he cook at one time?

As for measuring a line, how would SWIM go about this? Should SWIM get an eye dropper with measurements for mL on them, and cook 1 mL at a time, so it would be easier to separate into 3rds, as to get a 35(roughly) mg bump?

[CrookedEye]

Swim would suggest one vial at a time, until SWIY is confident with their cooking method, and SWIM wouldn't worry all that much about measuring a dose, as it's not gonna kill SWIY even if SWIY does a whole vial.. SWIM would suggest just dipping a key in until one gets an amount about the size of a match head to start, and if this isn't doing much in about 15 mins, go ahead and do more, as the tolerance doesn't build rapidly enough to make redosing not work.. This way SWIY can test how far they like to ride down the K-hole.. SWIM doesn't really enjoy the K much until he climbs in deep, so 1/4 gram lines are usually in order, for him, even after periods of no use.. If one is really that worried though, one can usually purchase a decent scale that weighs tenths for under under 20 bucks or even a mg scale for maybe 30.. ISO, though, it's not really that necessary to weigh doses, as even really intense trips on K usually are down to manageable for most people within 30 mins to an hour, with almost no effects at all after 2-3 hours, in single dose experiences, and SWIM is not 100% sure on this, but his friends recommend eating sugary substances to help come out of a K-hole if one get's too far in for comfort..

[zodg1lla]

Originally Posted by CrookedEye

Swim would suggest one vial at a time, until SWIY is confident with their cooking method, and SWIM wouldn't worry all that much about measuring a dose, as it's not gonna kill SWIY even if SWIY does a whole vial.. SWIM would suggest just dipping a key in until one gets an amount about the size of a match head to start, and if this isn't doing much in about 15 mins, go ahead and do more, as the tolerance doesn't build rapidly enough to make redosing not work.. This way SWIY can test how far they like to ride down the K-hole.. SWIM doesn't really enjoy the K much until he climbs in deep, so 1/4 gram lines are usually in order, for him, even after periods of no use.. If one is really that worried though, one can usually purchase a decent scale that weighs tenths for under under 20 bucks or even a mg scale for maybe 30.. ISO, though, it's not really that necessary to weigh doses, as even really intense trips on K usually are down to manageable for most people within 30 mins to an hour, with almost no effects at all after 2-3 hours, in single dose experiences, and SWIM is not 100% sure on this, but his friends recommend eating sugary substances to help come out of a K-hole if one get's too far in for comfort..

Should SWIM be on the lookout for the k to turn brown within the first few minutes? SWIM plans to put it at 150 so he has a longer time to see how its doing.
Thank SWIY for your help, as said before it is SWIMS first time so he is not well informed.

zodg1lla added 4 Minutes and 27 Seconds later...

also, is the fact that the distribution of mg to mL something SWIM should look out for when dosing?

SWIM has heard that since its 100mg/mL it would be a lot more potent than normal? or is the 100mg/mL normal?

zodg1lla added 1 Minutes and 32 Seconds later...

also, is the fact that the distribution of mg to mL something SWIM should look out for when dosing?

SWIM has heard that since its 100mg/mL it would be a lot more potent than normal? or is the 100mg/mL normal?

[CrookedEye]

If it's too hot it'll turn brown as it begins to crystallize, and should be removed from heat.. At 200 degrees it should be fine, just keep an eye on it, and remove it when one starts to see the white forming.. When crystallization begins to occur across most of the area covered in water, chopping it up a bit with a razor, then placing it in front of a fan to cool, can help to dry it out faster, but careful the fan isn't on too high, so it doesn't blow away.. SWIM has seen someone even use a hair blow dryer to chase it around a large glass surface to get it to crystallize.. As for dosing, with insufflation (aka snorting) the concentration doesn't matter as the water is cooked out, but if IM or IV is used, the concentration would surely matter... 100mgs per ml is often the concentration, which is about a tenth of a gram per ml of water, this is for accurate dosing with a needle, and SWIM would suggest starting with insufflation, until one is experienced with K trips and can accurately judge what they can handle, as IM and IV are more efficient routes of administration, requiring lower doses for the same effects as snorting (one can't un-inject it, so they're buckled in for the ride with this method, so experience is necessary for acquiring the desired effects)..

[Nose Dive]

The strength of being in SWIY situation is that SWIY has them in vials, so if SWIY doesn't their cooking ability then they can just do 1 and keep a close eye on it. The best way to keep an eye on it, according to my Bill is to do it on a plate over water boiling on in a pan, on the stove. He uses a yellow coloured plate so he can actually see when the liquid is crystalising, at which point it turns white. If SWIY delicatley tilts the plate slightly they can clearly see if it is still liquidine as below the solid surface they will see air bubbles.

This being said, my Bill tells me that there is no harm at all in letting it air dry. SWIY should put a thin layer onto a plate, put it somewhere high and out of reach and leave it, he says. He goes on to add that when he tried this method the results were VERY pleasing, he set it up mid-day and then the next morning it was dry.
An airing cupboard would speed this process, or even just a plate on a radiator. It's all about normal evapouration.

[podge]

Originally Posted by zodg1lla

He doesn't really know how to figure out how many mg's is a good dose and how to find out if you are doing the correct amount of mg's since he doesn't know how to weigh it.

Its well worth investing in a scales even between a few friends, and it will probably get used a lot over time depending on swiy habits. A few dollars to ensure safe dosages isnt a bad trade. Also dealers cant bunk swiy when he has a scales.

[cosmicruler]

just pour onto mirror and use hairdryer on low setting....should only take few minutes...then scratch upwith razorblade...and done!!!!!

[RaverHippie]

Easy way of dosing/drying

1) go to a local pharmacy and ask the pharmacist for an oral syringe. Tell them you need to give your infant nephew some liquid Benadryl. They probably won't even need an excuse

2) Since this handy syringe measures in mL, dose by drawing up fractions of an mL or a whole mL and then deposit on a surface such as a plate or mirror etc.

3) Let sit in an open environment, with a fan near, in an oven etc depending on how soon the ket is wanted.

Using the syringe should allow SWIY to have better control over the original amount of material before drying and should make eyeballing a lot easier since reading graduations on a syringe is easier than estimating weight of powdered substances.

[cosmicruler]

or just dry 2xvials...if it is indeed 500mg per vial then 1 should get 1000mg or 1gram per 2xvials!!!

thus making it a rounded figure and 1 that should be relatively easy to work with/through!!