Opinions - What seperates heroin from other opiates addiction-wise?

[Herbal Healer 019]

SWIM always reads of those who become addicted to heroin after discovering what a hell of a buzz it gives, but SWIM knows mad opiates that give a body orgasmic like high & having not done H, SWIM doesn't realy see what seperates heroin from other opiates.

Is h so addictive bcuz it has such a short high being accompanied with a strong desire to redose l8r, or because Intravenious injection is the most common route of administration?

[yaba]

Swims first drug was heroine (excluding nicotine and alcohol)

He has never used hydrocodone, oxycodone, etc.. (the very strong painkillers)

He has used morphine, methadone, dihydrocodeine, codeine, tramadol, poppy seed tea, poppy pods. All at (high) recreational doses, but nothing compares the feeling heroine will give you ! (not promoting heroine)

Swim has never injected heroine and stopped using it years and years ago (ok he has twice in the last 8 years)

Think the needle thing comes (usually) after tolerance from smoking is so high that the only (cost effective) way is to use the needle.

Heroine is very addictive even more when the needle is involved and the withdrawal isn't nice, but not as bad as methadone. Think twice before using it ! It can fu*k up your life, trust swim on that one..

[Zendo]

Swim likes to think he was a poppy pant in his past life, and right now, in this life, opium is a way for swim to express and re-experiance his dream of the world, the totality of 2 lives combined, within his human body , opium pumping thru his veins, can he experiance the fullness of 2 lifetimes in one moment...

i know you all that visit here... we were all poppies in a poppy field. and here we are..finding each other again..life is so strange!

the needle fixation can be a large quantifier for addiction swim thinks,
swim doesnt think herion-morphine-oxy have different addiction levels,
but look at something like codiene, how easy is codiene to come off compared to the stronger opiates..its a walk in the park..

thought provoking question there..

[Herbal Healer 019]

SWIM has tried many very powerful opiates & has never became addicted & really wonders how heroin can be that much more addictive. SWIM thinks it's more of an issue of self discipline & education towards the drug being used, awareness of tolerance, & addiction potential. He can c how opiates are psychologically addictive because they give a feeling of bliss & problems, stress, depression, & anxiety seem to fade away, but doesn't understand how those who kno the addictiveness and tolerance potential of such drugs ignorantly fail to moderate their opiate use to 1-3 times a week.

SWIM has tried oxycodone, hydrocodone, tramadol, poppy pods, buprenorphine, kratom, & codeine & has managed to keep tolerance pretty low (spacing out doses 2 once in the week & once a weekend every week) & has maintained a level of self discipline that allows them 2 avoid addiction all together (psychological desire to repeat is strong tho).

Is heroin the most addictive/euphoric opiate out there? I always figured hydro/oxycodone & fentanyl were much stronger/euphoric than heroin.

[Zendo]

oh yea swim agrees with you completly
think of the reasons most people turn to drugs and its not recreation,
its to cope with the loss of a loved one.. or to fight off feelings of a abused child hood, opiates let you feel loved.. no matter how empty the heart is,
when people like this run out of gear, there faced with withdrawls and re-experiancing all that pain again..NO Way do they wana go back to those dark corners..

now imagine a middle aged man or woman, someone who is really quite emotionally quite healthy and are rx'd strong opiates, the chance they will get as addicted as the 1st example i don't think is true, as they can find emotional sobreity without the use of drugs, at least swim thinks that to be true.

[Herbal Healer 019]

So basically ur saying the leap from pharmaceutical opiates (easily aquired in the suburbs from the average working man) 2 heroin (social stigma, sketchy ppl sell it, more common in urban areas with high poverty levels) is such a huge leap that by the time the person has gotten to the level of seeking out H, they are on an inebidable path to addiction?

SWIM hasta disagree cuz not all heroin users who become addicted hav emotional trauma or instability. But I really think there r more ppl who live in urbanized areas & ppl who are severly depressed/ emotionally unstable seek out IVed H as an escape than there are with pharmaceutical opiates which are commonly prescribed to all social classes.

It's probably accurate to say that high levels of H addiction are directly or indirectly a result of drug prohibition simply because H is a drug associated with a huge stigma & is often sold by gang bangers in the hood (urbanized area) where crime & poverty are rampant.

[yaba]

[quote=Herbal Healer 019;512227]SWIM has tried many very powerful opiates & has never became addicted & really wonders how heroin can be that much more addictive. SWIM thinks it's more of an issue of self discipline & education towards the drug being used, awareness of tolerance, & addiction potential. He can c how opiates are psychologically addictive because they give a feeling of bliss & problems, stress, depression, & anxiety seem to fade away, but doesn't understand how those who kno the addictiveness and tolerance potential of such drugs ignorantly fail to moderate their opiate use to 1-3 times a week.

Swim was 13 when he started with heroine stopped when he was 17. Had a 7 month spell when he was 19 then stopped pretty much for good. Only when he is in The Netherlands... Happened twice in the last 8 years.
He is now older and wiser !

[Zendo]

Originally Posted by Herbal Healer 019

So basically ur saying the leap from pharmaceutical opiates (easily aquired in the suburbs from the average working man) 2 heroin (social stigma, sketchy ppl sell it, more common in urban areas with high poverty levels) is such a huge leap that by the time the person has gotten to the level of seeking out H, they are on an inebidable path to addiction?

nono not at all....
If your Emotionally fucked up when you start the drugs... your still gonna be emotionally fucked up when you come off the drugs.. which makes the drugs alot harder to kick..because we need them for emotional sobriety as well as everything else they offer.

but if swims are taking the drugs for the fun of it, and there not fufulling any emotional hole .. than they are much easier to let go of.

all swim was saying is.. a emotionally messed up person..will find H harder to kick than someone who isnt emotionally messed up, so people get addicted on all types of differnt levels, as these opiates can fufull many different things, for each and every individual.

[chillinwill]

Red Rock has found IV heroin to be more euphoric than any other opiate but with IV hydromorphone and IV oxycodone a close 2nd and 3rd. Before he started using the needle, almost any stronger kind of opiate would please him such as hydromorphone, oxycodone, heroin, meperdrine, Fentanyl, methadone, morphine etc. All of these were insufflated. Red Rock thinks that once someone starts using the needle, the addiction potential and severity goes up exponentially, especially since using the needle has an addiction potentiall all by itself.

Although heroin's high isn't as long as say bupe or methadone, he thinks that the inital rush (referring to IV here) cannot compare to any other opiate other than hydromorphone or oxycodone. One reason that he preferred heroin over any other opiate is that its the cheapest and easier to get than the pharmaceuticals. Also, since heroin only lasts several hours so if one is addicted, they will have to keep redosing several times a day in order to stay well and avoid withdrawal.

[cra$h]

From all swim's readings, the comedown is one of the worst, and who wants to fall off an angel's wings, crashing to this hard, cold, planet? and with its availibility and price, it's just an economical choice.

[RoboCodeine7610]

Well the main difference between heroin and morphine is that heroin crosses the blood-brain barrier a lot faster than morphine giving a bigger "rush".