Combinations - benzos and gbl

[poison1981]

how long would it be wise for swim to wait after dosing gbl to take any form of benzo ?

would it be safe for swim usually if htey just wait until after the feeling of the gbl wears off? y/n

[rocksmokinmachine]

Wait till the GBL wears off IMO, SWIY could end up in hospital. Infact give the benzo's a miss.

[MrG]

In that the consumption of GBL will induce a CNS suppressive effect fairly rapidly and, if one had taken benzo's prior to said consumption, this *may* be a cause for concern, when taking a Benzo *after* the effects of GBL have worn off, it is not likely to be problematic as long as neither are taken in excess.

It goes without saying that neither should be taken in conjunction with the other but, for the sake of, say, somebody trying to quit a GBL habit, reaching for a Benzodiazepene instead of another GBL dose, is probably the best course of action.

May I ask if that is the reason for the question Poison?

[poison1981]

swim is using gbl to help witth anxiety but swim is finding anxiety is so bad after gbl wears off

so swim needs klons to help swim sleep

is swim safe? swim is scared

someone just talk to swim please?

[rocksmokinmachine]

Originally Posted by poison1981

swim is using gbl to help witth anxiety but swim is finding anxiety is so bad after gbl wears off

so swim needs klons to help swim sleep

is swim safe? swim is scared

someone just talk to swim please?

Change SWIY's GBL for a dose of benzodiazepines, reduce as follows:

http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/sho...892#post360892

See SWIY's doctor, maybe tetracyclic antidepressants (mitrazepine, for example) may combat SWIY's anxiety after a short course of benzodiazepines.

[Boca Bitch]

Originally Posted by poison1981

swim is using gbl to help witth anxiety but swim is finding anxiety is so bad after gbl wears off

so swim needs klons to help swim sleep

is swim safe? swim is scared

someone just talk to swim please?

OHH!! Poor SWIY... of course it increased SWY's anxiety..

After the GABAb action of GHB fades, glutamate levels skyrocket!!! Use a GABAa agonist like a benzodiazepine, nonbenzo, or even alcohol if SWIY is looking for a GABAergic agonist to reduce anxiety! Even better would be finding an alternative.. as long-term abuse of benzodiazepines can cause a nasty dependence to develop.

Look into SSRIs, tricyclics, or cannabis (is very effective for some people, like SWIM).

[MrG]

http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/sho...566#post510566

This thread might help on the anxiety front.

GHB and, particularly, GBL should *not* be used for anxiety as 24/7 dosing can rapidly be fallen into. I understand the temptation, having suffered crushing anxiety myself during a period in my life but being healthy and using something less akin to a mental sledgehammer is more appropriate. St John's Wort worked wonders (after using it three times a day for a couple of weeks), but I would advise some sensible reading up if not sure. Please be wary of scaremongering, almost anti, SJW websites though (likewise for the, equally blinkered, over the top, pro SJW ones too).

[Apax]

Hi, SWIM took 4,5mg of bromazépam yesterday evening. He slept well. 16 hours passed since it took the bromazépam. Now he would like to take 2g of GHB (with IDM music). Can he make it now or he must wait?

Apax added 95 Minutes and 41 Seconds later...

In fact my question is more general: Must SWIM wait that is crossed the period of half - life of a benzo before taking of GHB?

[srfchsr]

YMMV but SWIm takes a moderate dose of GHB and a 10mg Valium or Ambien to get a good night of sleep.

[RX420]

that sounds like a bad mix...in high doses swim could see some probs

[riaahacker]

GBL and a benzodiazepine seem like an interesting combination but extreme caution should be used when mixing the two. While GBL (which metabolizes into GHB) binds to the GABA-B sites and benzodiazepines to the benzodiazepine site on GABA-A receptors the combined effects of nervous system depression can quickly knock swiy off his feet.

[gmeziscool2354]

mixing 2 cns depressants needs to be done under extreme care. i believe that lead to the death of jimi hendrix but regardless, as stated above it can lead to too much respitory depression and one can stop breathing with out realizing

gmeziscool2354 added 1 Minutes and 38 Seconds later...

especially with strong downers or with heavy doses, synergy occurs, so swim may be good off of 40 mg's of diazepam with no ill effects, but with GBL (or alcohol as it is more frequently observed) this could be fatal

[Synesthesiac]

Swims been prescribed Temazepam and so will probably be stopping his nightly 2ml dose of GBL which has been helping him sleep previously. Swim did however one night try 1ml of GBL with just a mild dose of 10mg Temazepam and found this extremely efficient at getting sleep to help combat his Insomnia. The Temazepam by itself does often work, but sometimes swims normal 20mg night-time dose doesn't always do its job.

So, how potentially dangerous is this combination? Would it be safe in such small amounts of each? Swim did find it effective for his insomnia the one time he tried it, but would appreciate any advise from someone more knowledgeable about possible interactions before repeating or upping the dose. Swim is certainly never going to combine either in recreational dosages.

[RX420]

my brothers friend is prescribed temazepam , he was using xanax and kpins for sleep but he is scared of mixing all those. although they are for prescribed for diff reasons. restoril is for sleep and the xanax and kpins for panic attacks.

30mg of the temapezepam stops working for my brothers friend after about 4 or5 days so he will switch it up. or go with out anything which he say results in very little sleep. he notices the temazies will give a hangover sometimes the next morning also. only sometimes though. he says drink a lot of water with it.

[whoremoaning]

Having taken around 40mg of valium the past few nights, SWIM took a couple of small doses of mdpv today (around 12mg snorted throughout the day), as well as 1ml of GBL around 6 hours ago. Now the G has felt like its worn off long ago, and SWIM's already taken 10mg of valium an hour ago but still feels somewhat stimulated (heart beating etc).

Was just wondering exactly how dangerous it would be to take more valium considering SWIM has a small tolerance and took a relatively small dose of G 6 hours ago (usual dose is around 2.3ml, but haven't had any in weeks.)

SWIM'd like to be able to sleep fairly soon...has enough time passed that they can safely take a bit more valium for sleep?

[runitsthepolice]

whoremoaning, first of all you need to swim

Assuming that someone who isn't you took the gbl 6 hours ago, it would be safe to take a normal dose of benzodiazepines as the gbl has completely worn off. Doing the opposite, (taking a dose of benzos and then gbl while still strongly under the influence of the benzodiazepines) could present a problem.

[whoremoaning]

Sorry, if a mod could edit/delete my post as I can't seem to do it myself.

Thankyou for the advice, SWIM figured 6 hours was a long enough wait, and ended up taking another 10mg valium which sorted out the mdpv comedown and helped SWIM get to sleep.

Should SWIM ever take mdpv again, they aren't going to mix cns depressants and they'll just stick to one in particular.

[Codehead]

Benzos and G is a dangerous combo, but SWIM has done it one time. He took 0,5ml GBL with 0,5mg alprazolam, pretty low doses, but when combined he got really nice socialized and realaxed high. It seems that gbl effects lasted longer then normal, so I assume that it adds some synergy to xanax.

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[pereira951]

just buried my best friend because of ghb withdrawl. doctor precribed him to many benzos, he lost time and ate to many and died. I myself have eaten to many and not relized and lost time because of withdrawl and having a bottle ofbenzo's. lorazapam is the most dangerous for loosing time. i find clonazapam to be the best. i once talked to my ceiling and empty couches for 3 days because of lorazapam. after my friends doctor did research he found that lorazapam is very dangerous for conjuction with withdrawl because of the losing time factor. he prescribed him lorazapam for sleep though. dont understand. he prescribed him 60mg of lorazapam ant 80mg of clonazapam. way to much for an admitted drug addict. when they found him dead three days later there was only 3 pills left.

[rocksmokinmachine]

Originally Posted by pereira951

just buried my best friend because of ghb withdrawl. doctor precribed him to many benzos, he lost time and ate to many and died. I myself have eaten to many and not relized and lost time because of withdrawl and having a bottle ofbenzo's. lorazapam is the most dangerous for loosing time. i find clonazapam to be the best. i once talked to my ceiling and empty couches for 3 days because of lorazapam. after my friends doctor did research he found that lorazapam is very dangerous for conjuction with withdrawl because of the losing time factor. he prescribed him lorazapam for sleep though. dont understand. he prescribed him 60mg of lorazapam ant 80mg of clonazapam. way to much for an admitted drug addict. when they found him dead three days later there was only 3 pills left.

I just can't understand a doctor prescribing that amount..60mg of lorazepam is an extremely high dose to be prescribed, they come in 0.5mg, 1mg, 2.5mg tablets. As with clonazepam I believe they come in 0.5mg, 1mg, 2mg. Prescribing lorazepam for sleep is not a good idea either, lorazepam is too short acting and will cause frequent awakning in the night. Intermediate acting benzodiazepines such as nitrazepam and temazepam are much better sleeping tablets.

Where is SWIY from, if I may ask.

[pereira951]

i know.doctor precribed way to many.nitrazapam are no longer aloud to be precribed to new patients.doc precribed them to try and help him with withdrawl but he was a drug addict. doc precribed him 2mg loraz and 1mg clonaz for day time.loraz is precribed to help sleep. does not matter if it is short acting, if it puts you to sleep you get to sleep. actually loraz is not short acting, a 1mg tab has 24 hour life. when i was prescribed them it was 1 a day.clonaz was two a day.nitraz is designed for sleep though.

pereira951 added 22 Minutes and 56 Seconds later...

they also found a half bottle of g in his house at the time. it is crazy when u lose time on benzo's, its like a dream.his brother talked to him the day b4, and then he called him back two hours later and it was like he had never talked to him. when i talked to him the night b4 he died he sounded like he was totally wacked out on benzo's, he told me about his new script, and i asked him who the doc was because i thought it was awsome to have that many pills for supply for whenever i wanted to "come off". now i have a totally different outlook on g. here in toronto it has blown up in the party scene in the last 3 years. there is also tons of 24'7 users. I myself know at least 20. It is becoming an epidemic here and very looked for by police.Very dangerous and addictive drug. We also know a girl who g'd ot last year and went face on with a street car and died while driving. she was only 21 and just finished university the day b4. very sad.

For once in a while users it is still a very actually safe drug. It just that it gets so many people because you can actually function on it. It actually makes u more outgoing. the problem is after a while u need it to function. U can not say a word to the world when suffering from anxiety, tremors, sweating and extreme high blood pressure from the withdrawls. as long as u don't use it to sleep, you will not get physically addicted.

[rocksmokinmachine]

[QUOTE=pereira951;597948]i. actually loraz is not short acting, QUOTE]

It is. Lorazepam is a short acting benzodiazepine with a half life slightly longer than most short acting benzo's. This is where SWIY's confusion probably came from.