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Old 12-12-2008, 22:00
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What to say and do to get Needles from the Store.

Swim has tried to get needles from the stores, never works. What exactly should swim do and say to actually get the person to sell them some? What has worked for you or someone you know???
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Old 12-12-2008, 22:23
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Re: What to say and do to get Needles from the Store.

Must live in one of the God-fearing states like swim. Know any people that is diabetic? Or order them online. In swim town there is one drugstore that will sell without any concerns. The rest will look at people arms, ask what kind of insulin they use, doctors names, etc. So much for harm reduction. The paraphernalia laws suck.
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Old 12-12-2008, 22:27
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Re: What to say and do to get Needles from the Store.

When Red Rock was living in one of the few states that require a prescription for them, it would just order them online and not bother with going into the store. In the states that do sell them, it just tells them the size and gauge he needs and has only been questioned about it once. He made up some story about having juvenile diabetes and that it sucks to have it but it has to keep is insulin up and that worked like a charm. He also would dress the part and act like he was just getting off work and whatnot
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Old 12-12-2008, 23:52
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Re: What to say and do to get Needles from the Store.

Back when swim was injecting, one of her friends had an excellent relationship with a pharmacist and was easily able to get syringes. Swim usually bought them off him or he just gave them to her.

The few times when Swim had to get them on her own, she sent her man in to do the work. He could charm anyone, knew a lot about diabetes, and played/looked the part so well that he never had any trouble. There was one popular chain drugstore in GA he could always go get them with no trouble. She knew others who were able to go there as well, so harm-reduction may have been be their unspoken practice.

Swim's understanding is that in many states, it is up to the pharmacist. It may not be illegal to sell the syringes without a prescription, but if the pharmacist suspects they'll be used for IDU, then it becomes paraphernalia and it becomes illegal to sell and possess. This was always swim's understanding, too. It's been years since she's used, but she did some reading and came up with some interesting info. Not sure if it's the same for other states, but it's a starting point.

Here's a good article explaining more:

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Here in Georgia a prescription is not technically required to purchase syringes, but the wording of the law is so vague that it can be twisted either way. Ultimately, you don't need a prescription to buy syringes, but a pharmacist can refuse to sell them to you if they feel like it.

Basically, we have two regulations that address syringes. One is the GA State Controlled Substances Act - Drug Related Objects (Paraphernalia) Laws. The other is the State Board of Pharmacy Laws which regulate the practice of pharmacy.

The Paraphernalia Law bans the sale of any object which is intended to inject, ingest, inhale, or otherwise introduce marijuana or a controlled substance into the human body. The law has a special exception which excludes physicians and pharmacies selling syringes for a legitimate medical purpose.

The Pharmacy Laws state that a pharmacist can sell syringes without a prescription, unless he or she has knowledge or reason to believe the item will be used for an illegal purpose.

Literally translated he would have to sell them unless he had some sort of proof or knowledge that it was going to be used to inject illegal drugs. Obviously, a pharmacist would be unable to know such things about a stranger off the street. However, many pharmacists refuse sale because of negative images of injection drug use. Others say they usually do sell, because not doing so would promote the spread of infectious diseases through needle reuse.

Personally, I think all syringe sales should be decriminalized. It has been shown that the availability of syringes does not promote or increase drug use, but it HAS been proven to reduce syringe reuse and decrease the spread of infectious diseases like HIV. Injection Drug Users normally have serious addictions and are going to inject the drugs whether or not they have clean syringes.
That article is from a popular answer site. Swim wasn't sure if she should link the article.

But like others said, there is always the option of buying them online.

If that's not an option and success can only be found by going to a store, then the person buying them needs to be knowledgeable and:

Know a lot about diabetes

Give the impression that certain lengths of points hurt their stomachs, so they prefer xxx size. Let one's hand slip down to their stomach (as if subconsciously) when they say that.

Dress and speak the part

Hide track marks. They may ask to see the person's arms.

Smile and act natural. Don't act suspicious and dodgy.

Set a bag of sugar free candies or other things diabetics buy on the counter before asking for the syringes. (seriously ... this has worked for many of swim's friends)

Ask the pharmacist if they've heard about such and such new medication that's coming out or about xx diabetes pump and tell them you've been thinking about discussing it with your doctor.

Know the names of diabetes meds.

Don't overdo it. Less is more in some cases.
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Old 13-12-2008, 16:51
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Re: What to say and do to get Needles from the Store.

Oh thank you, the candy and stomache thing will probably help a lot. Swim will study those things.

Swim just hopes they dont wanna see her arms.

Swim just gets so freakin nervous when she does it too.
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Re: What to say and do to get Needles from the Store.

Swim lives in Arizona and gets his syringes from a site popular for selling books. It is recommended that the purchase be made on any online medical supplier which will ship to you state without physician authorization (some do, some don't). Swiy receives a large quantity while retaining a degree of discretion.

Hope this helps! Good luck!
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Old 20-05-2010, 00:22
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Re: What to say and do to get Needles from the Store.

SWIM would suggest looking for a needle exchange is SWIY's area! They are an excellent source for all items required for IVing, often providing the needles, syringes, in various sizes, citric powders, sterile water, alcohol swabs,tourniquet's and a sharps bin all free of charge! SWIM used to be an IV heroin user and it became increasingly difficult to find different chemists/pharmacies to buy the syringes as often going back to the same one would cause suspicion, even with the age old tried and tested story "I'm a diabetic ...."

Just a thought as most areas now have a needle exchange, and with the items they give, much needed as is support too they offer the user to ensure clean and safe IV use. SWIM found the needle exchange to be a much appreciated source of the paraphenalia required!

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Old 20-05-2010, 00:23
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Re: What to say and do to get Needles from the Store.

heroin is so bad in swims area that the local pharmacy will just give them away. there have been many complications with people catching hep, losing needles in their arm and using old needles that arent sharp that they had to do something.

more proof that dope is bad in swims area; you cant walk a mile without seeing at least 3 used needles on the side of the road. any shady character you see on the street sells pot, coke and/or dope.
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Old 20-05-2010, 00:30
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Re: What to say and do to get Needles from the Store.

SWIM lives in Massachusetts, where any pharmacy is REQUIRED to sell to you as long as you are over 18 and have ID to prove it. It's strange to him that there are still states that wont. In any case, if you're in a state where you CANT just go to the pharmacy, the needle exchange is your friend. Go in and get a sharps box (empty) your junkie friends will be all too happy to give you all their incriminating evidence. Once you get ten gathered together, you can take them to the exchange, where they will give you ten brand new guaranteed never used syringes.

Needle exchange laws vary from state to state. In some states, the exchange will simply replace the old rigs you bring in with new ones, makes the most sense, right? Well, in areas like SWIM's, where anyone with ID can buy a pack of works at the pharmacy for $3-4, some exchanges will take and dispose of your old needles and give you a $10 or so coupon to spend at the pharmacy on whatever you want. Your standard junkie will buy a pack of rigs (duh) a pouch of roll-ups and a drink but as long as they dont go over $10 they can get whatever. This often can provide that last bit of incentive for an addict who's quit shooting dope to FINALLY go thru their rooms and get rid of EVERYTHING.

In some states, one can just bring back needles and get new needles in exchange, the pharmacy coupon ploy is more to keep the cops off of the exchange's back since they can then claim they are just performing a pubic health service by getting the dirty works off the street. Which no one can deny they are doing. While the risk of HIV from getting stuck by a needle thats been out in the sun all day is basically nil, the same cannot be said of hepatitis or worse, fascination with heroin.

OK, if SWIY lives in a state where its legal to sell him needles at the pharmacy, they don't have to have a reason, or know shit about diabetes, they just need to be over 18 and able to prove it. That's it.
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Old 22-05-2010, 17:46
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Re: What to say and do to get Needles from the Store.

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SWIM lives in Massachusetts, where any pharmacy is REQUIRED to sell to you as long as you are over 18 and have ID to prove it.
This is not true. The pharmacy has the right to not sell syringes. Of course, in that case they aren't supposed to sell syringes to ANYONE, but that probably doesn't happen.

There are also pharmacies that get around it by charging, oh, a ghway robbery price of $XX (yeah, prices in the double digits) for a package of 10 if one's paying in cash (as opposed to picking them up on prescription)...even when other pharmacies in the SAME CHAIN, in the SAME TOWN!!! charge far less.

There's also, apparently, some rule where if the pharmacist/pharma tech has a personal objection to selling something (like, syringes or birth control pills), they can refuse to sell it to you so long as another pharmacist is available to sell it to you. A pharmacy very close to the local harm reduction services (ie., needle exchange that didn't exchange needles due to local laws but provided everything else) used this very loophole to make it as difficult as possible for people to get syringes. Oh, the users got them...they just sometimes had to wait 30-60 minutes for a pharmacist to be available/not so busy to wait on you.

The best part, IMO, is that Girlie used to go to this pharmacy, and the tech used to sell them to her...until she realized she was an addict. Apparently, in this woman's opinion, she initially 'didn't look like a junkie' until she came in one day with people who were 'known junkies'. *snort* The woman ended up being fired...and got a new pharmacy job...in the SAME BUILDING AS THE NEEDLE EXCHANGE (that didn't exchange needles - see above). I thought that was karma at it's finest. *giggle* Even MORE users went to THAT pharmacy to buy needles because they sold singles! Muwahaha!

ANYWAY, a needle exchange would be the best bet. I would look online for the closest one and call them. Even if they aren't actually CLOSE to you, call anyway; MANY Needle Exchanges have a service where they either: a) have a van that goes to different parts of the city/different cities or towns and do exchanges or 2) have a service where someone will actually come directly to your house (or where ever one wants to meet them) and load you down with as many supplies, including needles, as you can handle.

IIRC, HarmReduction.org has a map & listing of needle exchange programs in every state of the United States, and maybe even internationally. Definitely check them out, if one is unable to purchase online or in-store. Even better, they're free!

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Old 24-05-2010, 22:01
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Re: What to say and do to get Needles from the Store.

SWIM agrees, the local needle exchange is the best option. SWIMS local needle exchange provides a wide array of equipment, disposal, biowaste containers etc etc. If SWIY can find one thats what would be good.
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AW: What to say and do to get Needles from the Store.

As european SWIM can't understand about the fuss about paraphernalia there is in America. Let SWIM advise SWIY not to use single use insuline syringes with integrated needles for the needles are not fit to hit veins but are only for subcutaneous injection.
SWIY might hurt SWIYs veins so they won't get hit by any other needles.
SWIY should always buy syringes and neeldles seperated and know that the needles are for intravenous use.
Feel free to PM SWIM to learn more about it.

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Old 24-05-2010, 22:44
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Re: What to say and do to get Needles from the Store.

is there anyone with some knowledge of diabetes, who can tell the op to say "swim needs 29 gauge syringes, this is the kind of insulin that he uses" swim got shot down by a pharmacist who asked what kind of insulin he uses them for. or knows what is normal for diabetics to say when asking for syringes.
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Re: What to say and do to get Needles from the Store.

SWIM is a type 1 diabetic and he uses Novolin 70/30 insulin which is available without a prescription. He takes 15 units in the morning before breakfast and 20 units at night before dinner. SWIM prefers to use the 1/2cc which is 50 units with the 8mm length needle(short needle) 31gauge(size of needle) syringe, BD being the manufacturer but there are different manufacturers that are cheaper cost wise. All syringes use U100 insulin. All type 1 diabetics with the exception of those who can maintain good blood sugar levels through diet and excercise must take insulin. Type 1 diabetes is juvenile onset diabetes. Hope this helps, if SWIY needs anymore info just PM him

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One more thing SWIM recommends finding a needle exchange program in SWIYs area or a doctor that understands the importance of safe needle practices

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Re: What to say and do to get Needles from the Store.

thank you swim had to watch a buddy shoot up w a old, dull needle cuz the pharmacy wouldn't sell any to swim. made me pretty pissed off at the ignorant lady who would rather have people use dirty, blunt needles than legally sell needles to people for harm reduction. agreed, the best source is local needle exchanges, but sometimes the situation isn't easy because exchanges close, aren't open on the weekends, not within driving distance, ect.
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Old 26-05-2010, 08:38
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Re: What to say and do to get Needles from the Store.

SWIM needs to correct a couple things in his post. "All syringes use U100 insulin" should read "All insulin syringes use U100 insulin". And also wants to add that insulin syringes come in different units of measure i.e. 30 unit, 50 unit and 100 unit. They also come with different gauge needles the three SWIM has used are 28g(thin), 30g(thinner) and 31g(thinnest). The brand SWIM uses, all 31g needle syringes no matter what unit of measure come with the short 8mm length needle. The 28g and 30g come with a longer needle. When asking for them at the pharmacey know what your asking for and get the box of 100, this way SWIY wont have to reuse syringes. And as far as insulin goes say Novolin 70/30 since its available without a scrpit. Pharmaceys can refuse sell of syringes. SWIM wants to point out that insulin syringes are for injecting insulin only and should not be used in IV drug use. Sorry for all the posts SWIM just wants to make sure he got everything.

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thank you swim had to watch a buddy shoot up w a old, dull needle cuz the pharmacy wouldn't sell any to swim. made me pretty pissed off at the ignorant lady who would rather have people use dirty, blunt needles than legally sell needles to people for harm reduction. agreed, the best source is local needle exchanges, but sometimes the situation isn't easy because exchanges close, aren't open on the weekends, not within driving distance, ect.
your welcome SWIosnappo and sorry that your buddy had to go through that, best of luck

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Re: What to say and do to get Needles from the Store.

To get syringes, SWIM writes down the specs:

disposable insulin syringes
.5 CC
31g
8mm length

SWIM takes small notepad to pharmacy and just orders:

"Yeah can I get..half cc...um..."

as SWIM stumbles over words and seems confused, SWIM says

"Well, here.."

and give pharmacy tech your notepad.

IF THEY ASK QUESTIONS such as "do you get your insulin from this pharmacy?" or "can I see your diabetic card?" one can say "SWIM's dad/mom/grandpop does, but he just sent me to get those." This works well if one doesn't go all the time. If SWIM goes all the time they will know which employee is quick and easy and which ones arent.

Find "Syringe & Needle Basics" on erowid and it has valuable info. Also has good info on the legality of buying syringes. It eases the mind to block SWIM's number and call the pharmacy and simply ask "do I need any prescription to buy syringes?"
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Re: What to say and do to get Needles from the Store.

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Swim lives in Arizona and gets his syringes from a site popular for selling books. It is recommended that the purchase be made on any online medical supplier which will ship to you state without physician authorization (some do, some don't). Swiy receives a large quantity while retaining a degree of discretion.
SWIM also uses that site! Though SWIM could pass for a type 2 diabetic (fat and not looking like a junkie), he finds this much easier. He's also found real tourniquets and other cool stuff on it, too.

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As european SWIM can't understand about the fuss about paraphernalia there is in America. Let SWIM advise SWIY not to use single use insuline syringes with integrated needles for the needles are not fit to hit veins but are only for subcutaneous injection.
SWIY might hurt SWIYs veins so they won't get hit by any other needles.
SWIY should always buy syringes and neeldles seperated and know that the needles are for intravenous use.
SWIM agrees. In his experience, he finds that the SC needles are way too flexible, and they bend and break easily. Plus the syringes only come in 1cc max. Unfortunately, SWIM can tell a story about this.

SWIM ran out of cleans, so he decided to reuse his own dirty 28G1/2" insulin syringes. He washed with water, bleach, water. He had a hard time reusing the last one because the needle was bending and also incredibly rough to insert. Now SWIM has one painful abscess and three lumps that are not painful. He's lucky they're improving because he really doesn't want his doctors to know about his drug abuse. But now SWIM won't even reuse his own needles.

SWIM found Luer-Lok needles and syringes on that website. 25G1" and 3cc. SWIM now swears by them. He also has a friend who likes them because the needles detatch from the syringes, and she's more of a rectal fan. The best part about them is that they're individually wrapped. Insulin syringes typically are wrapped ten together, but with tamper-evident caps. Both are sterile, fortunately.
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Re: What to say and do to get Needles from the Store.

There is a rather lively thread in the heroin forum dedicated to this topic which may be of use.

http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=79311

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Re: What to say and do to get Needles from the Store.

It isn't illegal to purchase syringes with needles where SWIM is, but his friends often feel paranoid so they always use the reason of being diabetic and usually no questions are asked.

One of SWIM's friends is diabetic, so he explained to the others basic diabetic terminology and medication in case of any queries from the pharmacist.
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Re: What to say and do to get Needles from the Store.

I dont know if it is the same in your area, but in Seattle there is a store called the needle exchange that is souly for that purpose. If not SWIM as gone to Rite-aid and at the pharmacy just asked for 1 cc, 28-gauge insulin syringes. If they ask why, say your diabetic.
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Old 09-08-2012, 11:46
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Re: What to say and do to get Needles from the Store.

We actually have a dog that is diabetic seriously! Humulin-n doesn't require a prescription

I write down on piece of paper exactly what type of syringes I need then I go up to the pharmacy and hand them the paper and tell them I need insulin syringes for my dog, works everytime, only question I get is what type of dog do I have and that is only if I go somewhere new. The pharmacy close to me knows I come in every week and get my dog syringes, usually they try and sell me a whole box

Also, you can go to most any pet product web site and buy pet insulin syringes by the case and they are the exact same thing
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Old 09-08-2012, 19:51
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Re: What to say and do to get Needles from the Store.

I prefer 30g shorts so I walk up to the counter and ask them for a package of 1 mL, 30 guage, shorts. they dont ask me why or who I am if i go to CVS. I have found other stores like walmart ask me for id and my signature and an explination for the purchase, so i dont go to them anymore. its none of there buisness and its perfectly legal(in my state) to purchase needles everyday for legitimet or illicit uses. in fact it is encouraged that illicit drug uses buy cheep redily available needles whenever needed. And as someone else mentioned most cities have anonymous needle exchange groups that may require registration for the use of the exchange but most dont ask questions, they just want to reduce harm.

As a sporatic IV drug user myself I encourage you to stop injecting. you are playing with fire and its not a question of if but when you will get burned! As I am sure you know allready, but it help to hear someone else encourage you to stop. I hate being the only one to tell myself to stop(usually doesnt work too well)

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