Storing - finally hopped on the pod wagon..

[norcolepsy]

to see what all the fuss is about! swim ordered medium 'grade A' (whatever that means) pods which were slightly bigger than a golf ball. swim decided to start with a basic method of sifting 3 pods in a coffee grinder, whilst heating some water on the stove. swim has read the controversies between boiling and not boiling...so swim decided to kinda go half way and heat it practically at his stoves lowest setting until the tiny bubbles were nicely filled under the water but hadn't quite reached the surface (sorry for the lack of terminology,, swim is slightly inept when it comes to science/ chemistry)

swim then poured the water into the bowl of pod sift and let it steep (unheated) for a half hour he then strained using a coffee grinder and threw away the remaining contents. Note that I contemplated saving that goop but..eh, it looked gross and didnt want to deal with it.

swim then added a good few drops of lemon juice, reheated in the microwave for 10 secs (dont knwo why I did that, lol) and drank the concoction.

AND GET THIS....SWIM THOROUGHLY ENJOYED THE TASTE! swim has no idea of what all the fuss in masking the taste is all about. it tastes like a sweetened flower, akin to smoking opium IMO.

When swim embarked on this thread- 15 min after consumption- he wasn't feeling anything..but now approx 25 in he's feeling a hint of that opiate glow that he's grown to love. SWIM would most closely relate the feeling to codeine..which unfortunately is his least favorite opiate. But..this is already more then I was expecting

SWIM would like to ask all the swimmers out there if they recommend a better, more efficient way of preperation that involves around the same amt of effort. (eventually swim would like to try CFO)

and finally, SWIM is wondering about the basics of storing your prepared concoction for later use. this may sound like a stupid question...but can you store your tea in the fridge and drink it at any time and reach its full potential? or must one reheat the tea in the microwave perhaps?

and of course,thanks DF for all the valuable information!

[Potter]

Cold water is best. the actives are soluble at lower temperatures then a lot of the undesirable chems.

Taste can change. By the fifth time you drink the stuff, you may discover it isn't so yummy. Right now your body doesn't know what you are putting into it, it may decide it's not so thrilled with your choices.

More acids! Nobody uses the juice of at least 2 limes in a 2quart h2o 1/2 pound seed extraction, lets it steep for 15 minutes or so. Give it some time to extract before swallowing.

If you do get nauseous, ginger can help, nobody uses that and sugar right in the tea. Grapefruit is also a potentiator, might be worth a shot if it's feeling week.

It can be amazingly potent stuff, and rather easy to get with little cash, don't get used to it, it's a hell of a habit to break.

[Pondlife]

Put the lemon juice in before you strain the gunk out, not afterwards. And use more than a few drops - more like a couple of tablespoons in a pint or two of water.

The idea behind the lemon juice is that it makes the water slightly acidic, and this ensures that the various opiates are in their water-soluble salt form. In other words, it helps it dissolve in the water.

[norcolepsy]

hey thanks alot for the advice. swim will surely use the lemon juice properly on my next brew. as for the cold water, swim will do it cold next time...but does this mean you'll have to let it steep for a longer amount of time since heat usually increases the extraction speed (swim thinks)?

Overall, swim enjoyed his first experience. swipotter- swim can see the taste getting rough after awhile, but luckily swim has an iron stomach and didn't experience even a tingle in his stomach. IN fact, the only time swim can remember vomiting from an opiate was on hydromorphone. but that was only because he subsequently drank 2 huge cups of coffee on a brutally hungover morning..

[PsychoActivist]

Be careful man. SWIM is regretting ever getting started with them now. When he started off he only had to use about five golf ball size pods. Now, three months later, his tolerance is so high that 10 (over about 35-40 grams) barely even does the trick. On top of that SWIM got some 5 mg Hydrocodones. He ate 6 of them (which he does not recommend due to such high APAP content but he was getting sick and was at work so CWE was out of the question)..... not a damn thing. Well 30 mg's isn't very high at all anyway he thought. So he performed a cold water extraction (one he has used with much success before). He used 50 mg's. Not a damn thing. SWIM can't even get high anymore but he has to keep wasting his money on this shit just so he can maintain his life and job without getting sick.

Originally Posted by Potter

Grapefruit is also a potentiator, might be worth a shot if it's feeling week..

Also SWIM was always under the impression that GFJ, cimetidine, and others that are metabolized via CYP3A4 enzyme were NOT good to use with pods or codeine because codeine in biotransformed into morphine when it is metabolized in the liver. So if another drug is occupying the CYP3A4 enzyme wouldn't that make it difficult for the biotransformation to occur?

SWIM may be completely wrong about this though as he has heard mixed things about it. He does not want to spread any misinformation so someone please correct him if he is wrong and any clarification would be appreciated


Be careful.

[norcolepsy]

activist- sorry to hear about swiyour situation and appreciate the heads up. swim does indeed understand the risk and is quite familiar with opiates. but the thing swiyou said about the hydrocodone scares swim. this is because hydrocodones are swims favorite opiate,,and swim has always done a fantastic job of moderating his doses to the point where he doesn't need to keep upping it. but swim is confused,,are swiyou saying that pods jet-speed your tolerance up? as in faster than say hydros or even oxys? maybe because of the all the assorted alkaloids? swim really hopes that is not true..

also, how long have you been using pods and what was the extent of your use (daily, bi-daily,weekend)?

[PsychoActivist]

Originally Posted by norcolepsy

activist- sorry to hear about swiyour situation and appreciate the heads up. swim does indeed understand the risk and is quite familiar with opiates. but the thing swiyou said about the hydrocodone scares swim. this is because hydrocodones are swims favorite opiate,,and swim has always done a fantastic job of moderating his doses to the point where he doesn't need to keep upping it. but swim is confused,,are swiyou saying that pods jet-speed your tolerance up? as in faster than say hydros or even oxys? maybe because of the all the assorted alkaloids? swim really hopes that is not true..

also, how long have you been using pods and what was the extent of your use (daily, bi-daily,weekend)?

SWIM has been using them a little over 4 months. At first it was just on the weekends and then after the 2nd weekend it was a few days during the week and after the first month it became daily and has been ever since. It was real easy for SWIM to get caught up in the daily use when he really just wanted to keep it a weekend thing. Maybe more so than any other drug (for him mind you). SWIM can technically only speak for himself but he has heard others say the same thing about the incredible increase in tolerance. Before SWIM began with the pods, 20 mg's of Oxy/Hydrocodone would give him a pretty nice buzz. So he really does blame the pods.

This warning is not to try and be a buzzkill or anything. Some peopla do have the willpower (or maybe are just scared enough?) to keep the use in moderation ..i.e. weekends only. If one can limit himself to occasional use, there should not be too much of a dramatic tolerance increase and also there should not be much in the way of withdrawals.

So the reason for SWIM's original post was to give SWIY an idea of the consequences of what could happen if his use began to get out of hand and SWIM hopes that if SWIY at any time feels as though it may be getting out of hand he will remember this and slow down. SWIM went from weekends only to daily use so quick - he has never had anything sneak up on him so fast.

Again, this is only 1 person's experience.

[Potter]

Found this online, source isn't great, it has to do with lights so... take it as you will.

Codeine is metabolized by both CYP3A4 and CYP2D6. CYP3A4 metabolized codeine into norcodine which isn't very active, while CYP2D6 metabolizes codeine into morphine which is responsible for codeine's effect. When the CYP3A4 enzyme is inhibited by grapefruit juice, more codeine may be metabolized by CYP2D6. This is theoretical and is not supported by literature at this time.

A more detailed discussion of this was written by Paracelsus and seems to draw this discussion to a solid closing Grapefruit juice / CYP2D6 : clarifying a common misconception.

So it buggers up the CYP3A4 preventing it from becoming norcodeine and allows more to be converted to Morphine.

[Lippmannk1]

You fucked the whole thing when you put it in the microwave. Don't do that bro.... High temperatures screw your tea bad, and I would certainly SUSPECT that the microwaves produced by the microwave screw it over in equal measure as if you boiled it. And yes, boiling your tea destroys it.

Now, about the tolerance and hydrocodone. Poppy pods, at least for SWIM, totally wrecked his tolerance by the 4th-6th batch. Anything he took after that was a waste of money and effort. Keep going on breaks occasionally to keep your tolerance down. Also, the alkaloids in poppy pod tea BLOCK other opiates if you have a tolerance for them. I read somewhere in a medical text that THEBANE, (a constituant of poppy pod tea), blocks out other opiates like hydrocodone and oxycodone. There is an upside to this though. THEBANE builds up in your system the more you use poppy pod tea. In other words, if you don't have a tolerance to your poppy pod tea you don't have enough Thebane in your system to screw over other opiate medicines.

Yeah dude, seriously, why did you microwave it? Jeez. Lol.

[norcolepsy]

Originally Posted by Lippmannk1

You fucked the whole thing when you put it in the microwave. Don't do that bro.... High temperatures screw your tea bad, and I would certainly SUSPECT that the microwaves produced by the microwave screw it over in equal measure as if you boiled it. And yes, boiling your tea destroys it.

Now, about the tolerance and hydrocodone. Poppy pods, at least for SWIM, totally wrecked his tolerance by the 4th-6th batch. Anything he took after that was a waste of money and effort. Keep going on breaks occasionally to keep your tolerance down. Also, the alkaloids in poppy pod tea BLOCK other opiates if you have a tolerance for them. I read somewhere in a medical text that THEBANE, (a constituant of poppy pod tea), blocks out other opiates like hydrocodone and oxycodone. There is an upside to this though. THEBANE builds up in your system the more you use poppy pod tea. In other words, if you don't have a tolerance to your poppy pod tea you don't have enough Thebane in your system to screw over other opiate medicines.

Yeah dude, seriously, why did you microwave it? Jeez. Lol.

Swim has since made the tea many times and only that first time did he heat the water. That was swims first time making tea..If swiyou do a google search swiyou see that a vast majority of the recipes call for some sort of heat to the water (which is why he EXPERIMENTED that way). following posts had already corrected me about adding heat and it was duley noted.

In future posts please do not speak so condescending to to a 1st time experimenter searching for an answer. that is not what this forum is for.

Swim is nothing close to a chemist, but he does know Countless amounts of compounds require heat as a catalyst or facilitator when extracting to liquid. again, google pod tea and you will see many recommendations for heating the water. so, even though it's not what your supposed to do, it's easy to make such a mistake and is not such a dumb question.

thanks

[Lippmannk1]

I'm sorry, I guess I was kinda harsh on you. Now I feel bad. I didn't intend any offense but I can see why you thought I was. I am a kind person IRL and I try to be helpful where I can. I was also being a bit sarcastic but I realize it is hard to derive sarcasm from text. Again, I am sorry. I will keep it in mind to be more courteous in my posts.