Drug info - list the Research Chemicals

[abraham]

Swim has an opportunity to get ahold of some rc's and would like to know his options. Swim is new to rc's. Swim would realy like this thread to create a comprehensive list for all to see. Personally swim is interested in shorter lived and max visuals. thanks for any input.

[old hippie 56]

Ever heard of PIKAL and TIKAL? Might be the best place to start.

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thanks

[chillinwill]

Originally Posted by old hippie 56

Ever heard of PIKAL and TIKAL? Might be the best place to start.

This is an excellent place to start and if you can read reports within the books as well as find RC's that seem interesting and research them further.

[abraham]

swim will check that out. Any suggestions on some good ones to put in a joint?

abraham added 3 Minutes and 13 Seconds later...

ok, what the hell is pikal and tikal?

abraham added 14 Minutes and 47 Seconds later...

cool, found a list. The second half of this book? Any more info appreciated.

[chillinwill]

Red ROck highly recommends that most, if not all the RC's shouldn't be smoked as they are RC's and considering that very little is known about them, they could be carcinogenic when smoked. He is mainly referring to the 2c-x series here when he is talking about not smoking them. Things such as 5-MeO-DMT can be smoked and many people have done this. Even taking them orally is still unsure as that is why they are called research chemicals. Just make sure to read up on trip reports, information, and everything you can find before partaking on an experience with an RC

[Shampoo]

Originally Posted by abraham

Swim would realy like this thread to create a comprehensive list for all to see.

Right, this already exists.

Phenethylamines: http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=42305

Tryptamines: http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=42306

The great thing about drugs-forum is that it is chock-full of great information! I mean, thats why you are here, right? It would be silly to assume that other people will just do your homework for you, right?

The RC forum is quite full of all the information you need to begin researching RCs. Many threads already exist on smoking RCs, the duration of RCs, and the visual stimulation of RCs, which should answer every one of your questions.

Please use the search engine before asking a question again, or just look at the top of the research chemicals forum page, and you will see several "stickied" threads which are especially poignant.

[Desertfox]

Your lack of knowledge comes as a clue that you might not be ready for RC's just yet. read up and educate yourself on the subject before trying to get your hands on some.

TIHKAL and PIHKAL are two books written by Alexander and Ann Shulgin that are acronyms that stand for Tryptamines I Have Known And Loved and Pihkal is Phenethylamines I Have Known And Loved. in these works shulgin goes through his personal synthesis of the compunds and then gives commentary of how his and his friends trips went and what their dosages are.

And SWIM found these lists of structures of the molecules so SWIY can get an idea of what their chemistry is...
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Ca...henethylamines
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Tryptamines

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good advice

[abraham]

Originally Posted by Shampoo

Right, this already exists.

Phenethylamines: http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=42305

Tryptamines: http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=42306

The great thing about drugs-forum is that it is chock-full of great information! I mean, thats why you are here, right? It would be silly to assume that other people will just do your homework for you, right?

The RC forum is quite full of all the information you need to begin researching RCs. Many threads already exist on smoking RCs, the duration of RCs, and the visual stimulation of RCs, which should answer every one of your questions.

Please use the search engine before asking a question again, or just look at the top of the research chemicals forum page, and you will see several "stickied" threads which are especially poignant.

swimdid search as swim always does. swim is here everyday almost all day reading up on all things including rc's. swim is also very experienced in psycadelics. Just not rc's. thanks for the link however, swim did not come across that while searching before posting. I'm certianly not a newbi here.

abraham added 1 Minutes and 39 Seconds later...

swim has also read all the stickies many times over many many many moons ago.

abraham added 1 Minutes and 22 Seconds later...

thanks for the link also desertfox. swim has already come across them, but appreciate the effort.

[old hippie 56]

Must emphasize the use of a accurate balance reading .001 mg, for safety sake.

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always a good advise

[abraham]

agreed

[RaverHippie]

Yes, the cavalier attitude is a little bit disconcerting.

The links Shampoo posted are invaluable but sadly incomplete since trptamene's gone absent. If you search the RC forum using PREFIXES such as Info and Experiences, you're bound the filter out all the threads that clutter the place and you'll be left with great informative threads.

EDIT:
this is a must read
http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=14744

As for as shorter duration, the shortest duration you'll get with phenethylamines are about 7 hours. The heavily visual ones are 2C-B (schedule I) 2C-T-2 (analogue of 2C-T-7 which is schedule I) The parentheses only apply if SWIY is in the USA of course.

[Pondlife]

Another thing worth mentioning is that the legality of RCs varies by country. There is a lot of difference between what's legal in the US and the UK for example.

Don't forget that any use of RCs is a bit of a gamble, as they are quite new and most have not been subject to proper study. There is really no way of knowing if an RC might have neurotoxic effects that take a few years to become apparent.

[abraham]

Yea thats a great read. No cavilere attitude here trust me. Sorry if it came off that way. Swim is sensitive to being told to search because swim always does and has read that a million times and has even told people to as well from time to time. No big deal either way. Swim has been reading about rc's for awhile and recently is able to get some thats all. Just want to make sure swim gets what he is looking for. Doing swims homework in otherwords.

[Alfa]

The lists can be found in the links Shampoo posted.
Other topics can be discussed in dedicated threads.