Injecting - Kratom injectable?

[Panthers007]

I fully agree with the ^^^ above. Don't be the first idiot. Wait until it becomes a standardized material in medicine before anyone grabs a hypodermic and plays "pin the tail on the jackass."

Better to be alive to read about, than be the source of, the newspaper article.

[sirdrugalot]

swim imagines it would be like shooting hash oil, cant see it mixing to well with your blood!!!

[j2lo0se]

These are the exact ideas that if carried out and end up horribly wrong, will then draw attention to these legal substances and get them banned.
Don't do it.

[Handle]

Yeah, but we are just talking about pure crystalline alkaloids, not resins.

[sirdrugalot]

swim supposes if you have access to them and can be sure they are in fact the real thing. theres a lot of fake shit floating about on the net and it also seems a waste of money if its so expensive and a waste of good vain.
its bad enough putting something through liver your not 100% sure about let alone straight into your blood stream.
perhaps if you had extracted it your self but swim would not trust half these rip off artists on the net.

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100% right about those online vendors, I'd be very skeptical. Even if stuff is strong, I doubt it really would be 'pure'

[chilling]

prob would have to get a good extract and who knows if swiy would even get the desired effects from shooting it.

[snapper]

actually the known active kratom alkaloids are water soluble. However, there is NO data on their use IV. People have had some very bad experiences in the past shooting unknown materials, and this one would likely be the same. Also keep in mind that on overdose on kratom consists of painful stomach cramps and malaise. This may be brought on by serum levels of alkaloids peaking too fast. SWIM would advise sticking with more tried routes. Kratom is not like heroin or other opiates in that the dose / response curve plateaus early and does not continue in a linear fashion with increasing high until respiratory depression and death.

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[lazor]

Originally Posted by William_Again

Is it at all possible to inject kratom or some sort of a high concentrated kratom extract?

Swim dont think it would be wise to inject kratom, it would be a step into dangerous territory, if I were Swiy, I would suggest sticking to what has been done already and works, why use Swiy as a lab rat....don't do it!

[enquirewithin]

Exactly-- why do this? Heroin and morphine were designed for injection. Kratom is plant matter. Currently no one really knows which the active compounds in it are-- not the ones which produce the desired effects anyway.

[Handle]

What are people talking about -'Heroin and morphine are made for injection, kratom is plant matter'

I mean, seriously people. If you don't remember, morphine is 'plant material' and heroin is derived from it. 7-acetoxy mitragynine is a good analogy to heroin.

Just because something comes from a plant, doesn't mean you can't purify it. And why this mystique about injection? You all have smoked, snorted, eaten, god knows what else with all these substances, something can be purified and dissolved and injected with no more harm to the body than the smoking of it would cause.

This thread, IMO, keeps going off topic, from the possibility that kratom alkaloids/salts thereof could ever be injectable onto another topic altogether, whether or not it's 'advisable to try' injecting some crap from online vendors.

So, in case you're wondering, NO, [there are a million reasons why] I would never recommend injecting some crap from online vendors, but I wouldn't recommend injecting opium either, because the form is inappropriate.

BUT every day patients in hospitals are injected with pure, clean morphine and heroin, with no ill effect arising directly from the injection of the drugs. So injecting those pure drugs is a world away from injecting opium, just as the possibility of injecting purified kratom alkaloids is a world away from injecting some 'extract' bought off the internet [which again, is something I would never advocate]

[enquirewithin]

Sure, heroin, morphine and cocaine are all derived from plants, but they have many years of use as injectable drugs, both medicinal and recreational. Whilst not exactly safe, they are not deadly in known doses. No form of kratom has been produced for injection (and hopefully never will-- it's addictive enough anyway) so it would seem foolhardy to try it.

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[Handle]

Betsym said:

Morphine and Heroin are already in a form (made for injection forms)where they can be DISSOLVED in water and injected or are already in liquid form and Kratom is not, well not the stuff that one gets from online vendors anyway

Exactly, exactly as I said:

I would never recommend injecting some crap from online vendors, but I wouldn't recommend injecting opium either, because the form is inappropriate.

It's all about the correct form. I also wouldn't recommend people inject black tar heroin for the same reasons.

BUT, if that level of purity can be attained, then as a society we should investigate whether kratom alkaloids injected might be superior to opium alkaloids and derivatives, even as legitimate painkillers.

Who knows?

The point is, I think, as I said before, any reasonable person would advise against the use of any impure substance of any kind for injection. That should go without saying.

The real discussion, since that is the name of the thread, is whether or not it's possible, or will ever be possible to isolate the active stuff like 7OHM or the oxindole fractions that are supposedly such hot stuff, in a way that #1 could even physically be dissolved as salts in water without other solvents [like the alcohol which seems ubiquitous in these liquid extracts] that would make injection harmful and impractical, and then #2 is it medically possible to inject the solution of these alkaloids without some intrinsically harmful reaction, like shock, severe histamine release that causes swelling or stops breathing, stomach cramps or worse etc etc or local problems at the point of injection such as those caused by barbiturates and pethidine.

That's what the thread means to me: Kratom injectable? Means, is it, or will it ever be, possible to inject kratom alkaloids in a pure form.

Yes, I get your point, the thread doesn't really say "alkaloids in a pure form". But the thread likewise isn't titled "Injecting kratom extracts from online vendors -good idea?"

Because if it did, the answer would obviously be no, end of discussion.

[Handle]

Unfortunate but so far apparently true.

[Handle]

Betsym said:

This thread, in swim's opinion, did not go "off topic" but swim notices that people like to say that sometimes when others maybe aren't agreeing with them as much as they'd like

heheh, you're probably right there.