Injecting - Kratom injectable?

[William_Again]

Is it at all possible to inject kratom or some sort of a high concentrated kratom extract?

[panchovilla]

I have never heard or read anything about injecting kratom. It is probably not a wise decision. Although I have heard that injecting drugs, when fresh needles are used, is the cleanest way to do any injectable drug. Needles give me the heebeejeebees.

[William_Again]

I agree I have a needle phobia but I thought it might be something to look into or at least learn about.

[Mainio]

No offense but why the hell would you want to inject kratom. That would be such an idiotic western world thing to do. I think kratom has been used a certain way for many many years and that is the way it should stay.

[sands of time]

This is why thigs get made illegal. That said, the active alkoloids in kratom would have to be isolated and extracted from the plant matter. It is still not understood as to what alkoloids do what, so I think it will be along time before anyone creates any sort of extraction which can be injected. Some alkoloids have been isolated in the passed, but they were never used for injection.

[panchovilla]

You can inject itup your rectum for quick fast opiatoid like fun. A bigger bang at a smaller dose. I know some Your anal lining is the thinest skin on your body, therefore any and everything can be quickly absorbed up your ass.



Be careful though smaller doses can be lethal.Edited by: panchovilla

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just not true, not everything works analy

[unico_walker]

Rectal administration can also avoid the nausea many drugs cause.

Go to a grocery and buy an ear cleaning kit, it comes with a small blue bulb with a small point that is perfect.

[allyourbase]

yes, in fact there is a supplier presently who for around xxx bucks will give you the entire alkaloid content of one ounce of premium kratom..however this is expensive, but the alkaloid is pure and fully injectable. a friend did it to good effect.

[genaro]

I would advice you not to inject kratom unless you have some pure alkaloid cristals extract

[allyourbase]

yes this is what Im talking about =P 95+ % purity is what youd need.

[William_Again]

On a side note...SWIM recently tried kratom for the first time...he wasn't expecting much since swim has had poor luck with opiates in the past, but all swim could say about the experience is WOW. It didn't produce any mindblowing euphoria for him, but it did produce a gorgeous body buzz that lasted for about 5 hours. The only draw back was that this made swims stomach terribly upset and he eventually threw up (but he did eat right before he drank the tea so eliminating that could help with this in the future).

Originally Posted by allyourbase

yes, in fact there is a supplier presently who for
around xxx bucks will give you the entire alkaloid content of one ounce
of premium kratom..however this is expensive, but the alkaloid is pure
and fully injectable. a friend did it to good effect.

Wow xxx bucks...that is expensive for about 190mg of alkaloids...would these crystals be smokeable (I assume so)? That would be a nicer way of taking kratom (if it could get rid of the nausea).

[sands of time]

Originally Posted by William_Again

Wow xxx bucks...that is expensive for about 190mg of alkaloids...would these crystals be smokeable (I assume so)? That would be a nicer way of taking kratom (if it could get rid of the nausea).

It would help limit the nausea, but it wouldn't eliminate it for many people.

[panchovilla]

Well, I guess I am one lucky motherfucker because I don't feel any nausea, ever, from kratom, I mean I can take a shit load and the only thing that mite happen is I might have to lay down. And as far as smokeing kratom it never does shit for me. I know different shit effects different folks in all different ways.





william again if your first experience was that good you would feel that euphoria once you get it right. it took me many times before i felt the euphoria. from extract to powder to the bad mothefucker powder. your shit is different than mine though cuz i never feel no nausea shit.

[allyourbase]

well its actually 250 mg, I should have said the "premium". and hell yes, it is expensive, for a time he was selling it for xxx dollars @ 250 milligrams...

[realfolkblues]

Originally Posted by allyourbase

yes, in fact there is a supplier presently who for around xx bucks will give you the entire alkaloid content of one ounce of premium kratom..however this is expensive, but the alkaloid is pure and fully injectable. a friend did it to good effect.

Any results with insufflation?

[enquirewithin]

Originally Posted by William_Again

That would be a nicer way of taking kratom (if it could get rid of the nausea).

Like with many drugs, wait and hour or so after eating before ingesting it. It would be good to find a really reliable, cost effective extract though-- kratom tastes vile.

[Handle]

Hey, Allyourbase, again some questions. It's a good thing that people talk about this, because there are people out there who are going to try it anyway, and could hurt themselves if they don't use the right stuff. Of course it is understood that suppliers can't be discussed, but has anyone heard the rumour that 'pure crystals' of kratom alkaloids can't be obtained in solid form? SWIM ain't makin' this up, but why would people say that? And surely it can't be that hard to just do like a base, ether, separate, acid routine a few times until you got pretty good alkaloids. Anyone hear of this? Why is it that all the extracts out there on the internet are all black or brown, even the so called 'lyophilised' versions. Are they all just basically filtered boil-downs?
Finally, people should remember, that every day there are sick individuals out there shooting up heroin, [that would be far less pure than a sincere effort with trying to really purify kratom kratom], and dealers don't care what they put in it, even icing sugar! Even baking soda. Any crap that passes for white powder, you can find in the shit heroin they've got out on the street. The final question is, if all the solid extracts [eg, powder, granules, resin cakes/pies] of kratom look terribly discoloured and impure, but nearly all the liquid versions are clear, why is it that more sellers don't offer the clean stuff that they must be putting in their liquid extracts? Why don't they offer clean, clear and DRY crystals? Surely it can't be because it will seem to look too much like street drugs, because look how many now sell the piperidine pills, they're straight up chemical pills, so why not offer kratom in a better form than just boiled residue!?

[akasha2012]

i dont think its worth it personall

[fnord]

@all your base: How did this method effect the duration time/peak. Please give times for both iff possible. thanks

[Durd1e]

Originally Posted by William_Again

Is it at all possible to inject kratom or some sort of a high concentrated kratom extract?

You definitely should not inject any extract that still has plant matter in it - that would end badly. Maybe if you had pure mitrangyne but even then you run the risk of infection, collapsed veins etc.

[Handle]

Well,, I'm just saying, look at how many people shoot vile mexican tar, there is no outcry, but I have seen extracts that look pretty clean, how would that be any worse than some of the cut down crap that passes for heroin, and people inject that every day.....I'm not saying any of it is good, but I think people are being a bit too precious, someone's going to come back one day with a swimpersonal trip report on doing this thing, yes, infection's always an issue, but it always is. Bite the bullet people; the basic, commonsense concerns apply to any drugs considered for injection. Discussion must shift to the nitty gritty, which is this [in my opinion] even under the ideal clinical conditions, are the kratom alkaloids PHARMACOLOGICALLY ever safe to inject. That should be the real question. Hygeine and not having plant matter or any number of contaminants in a hit is really, I mean really basic stuff, if people don't know that I wouldn't trust them with chamomile tea.

I think we have to get over the perennial worries of IV drug use, and start asking better questions. Could the alkaloids cause anaphylactic shock for instance?
Could they depress breathing when injected in a way they don't do when taken any other way?

If people can't figure out that dirty, gritty lumpy stuff with leaf bits does not belong in their veins, they can't be helped.
All the same safeguards should apply to this as to other drugs.

The questions we should be asking should not be about clean or dirty, pure or impure, it has to start with the assumption that nobody is masochistic enough to try it with any substandard material, and then get to the real questions, specific to kratom alkaloids, and what effect they have when injected.

That should determine the answer about whether or not it could ever be worth the obvious risks.

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great post

[akasha2012]

My friend's cat told me the following when I was meditating... I was just about to leave my body and I heard the cat meowing.... and they meows started to turn into actual words that said, " I have to agree with handle... when i first started doing kratom i was tempted to inject, but I was worried about cleanliness. I know a site where you can get relatively pure alkaloidal content about 88%. You can get a gram for about a $xxx... The only way that you would be able to administer this stuff effectively would be IV which leads me to think that it is possible and that people are doing it... I bought 500 mg worth, and tried to make tea with it... and I tried to snort it but it didn't do anything... injection would be the only effective method for pure alkaloids..." And then I gave my friend's cat whose name is Sasha some catnip and she started to calm down after that...

[Richard_smoker]

about a year ago, I recall reading about someone who tried one of these extracts in the manner you questioned. according to my memory & this unknown guy's post, the aformentioned substances were definitely active, potent & no report of anaphylaxis either.
-DICK

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good post

[kr8tom]

There needs to be a warning here or else some stupid kid is going to try and inject kratom from a shady Internet source and kill themselves. So to anyone reading this, please don't try to inject kratom just because one or two people on a forum have done it or think it's ok. If you inject the wrong stuff (which you probably will) and kill yourself then we all will be the ones who are punished for your stupid actions. So do not be an idiot and inject kratom!!!

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good point...very good point. thanks for correcting my mistake.

[Panthers007]

I fully agree with the ^^^ above. Don't be the first idiot. Wait until it becomes a standardized material in medicine before anyone grabs a hypodermic and plays "pin the tail on the jackass."

Better to be alive to read about, than be the source of, the newspaper article.