Other - Arguments for ayahuasca use

[nachra]

My "friend" has a "cat" named pablo escabar who had weed blown in his face at a young age which enlightened him on how to use a computer so he bought a kilo of mimosa hostilis to make ayahausca. unfortunataly, suspisouce parents found the mystic root and began to take away all of pablos freedoms. Pablo knows that ayahuasca along with most psycedelics like weed are safe with a sound mind like his (he enjoyed a brew containing 100gs of ayahausca brewn for 2 days) , and tried to convince his oppressive and ignorant masters however they did not listen. so he wants to know how other enlightened cats and dogs have convinced their masters to let them use it. if no ways exsist, are there any sources in houston texas that dmt can be obtained? Pablo most likely wont (cant afford for the time being) to buy a large quantity off the internet but would rather buy and sell small quantities until he can afford a kilo.

Also Pablos masters claim that entire societies have been destroyed by drugs but Pablo does not agree. Can this really be true?

nachra added 118 Minutes and 5 Seconds later...

Mr. Escebar just remembered that his master said that if there was scientific evidence that dmt was better than Lexapro as an anti depressant, than Pablo would be free to use the drug since his masters make him take lexapro under the impression that he is "addicted to meth and heroin" even though he has only tried adderol one and vicodin once and mainly only uses weed. They assume he is in a state of withdraw amd are blind to the possibility that they are bad masters since out of 3 pets all three pets smoked weed. What pablo is looking for is scientific journals, statements by scientists or anything else that would show dmt as effective and sway them. Sorry for all the posts but Pablo hates being in the spirtal dark and he cannot wait to rejoin the stars and the spirits.

[Synesthesiac]

Well, I dont have any references that DMT works as an anit-depressant, but you might want to show your masters this excerpt from a documentary on the Brazillian groups that use DMT in their drinks. The study was conducted by Dr Charles Grob on the christian UDV groups in brazil, so there may be a paper published somewhere about his findings if you want too have a look through google scholar. He basically found that the societies that used DMT in their tea were generally happier than other people, led more forefilled lives, were less likely to abuse addicitve drugs and did not get involved in crime as much. He also found out that the tea they drank had no negative effects on health at all by conducting a detailed study by testing long term users against occasional users. In fact he found out the long term users actually came off better in many categories such as concentration and memory. Quite the opposite of you masters assertions that "entire societies have been destroyed by drugs" these societies seem to gain tremendously from its use. And DMT is not really a drug, its a non-addictive entheogenic psychedelic.

Heres the part of vid I uploaded with this information in:

Psychedelic Research and Therapy: A History - Pt 3of5

And btw, how old is mr escebar? If swim was in his situation swim would tell his masters to fuck off and let him do what he wanted to! Or do it on the sly. Or move out.

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tight find, even if it doesnt help mr escabar out, still kool to know

[69Ron]

It's believed to be the tetrahydroharmine that does that in ayahuasca, not the DMT. Tetrahydroharmine is both a weak SSRI and a weak RIMA, so it’s very similar to an anti-depressant.

Several other’s who’ve tried tetrahydroharmine by itself have felt a lift in spirits a few days after taking it.

SWIM buys tetrahydroharmine regularly now on-line and has used it quite a bit on it’s own. It is definitely good for depression.

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SWIM thinks it's from the MAOI moreso than the DMT, but that both can help change one's mood/outlook..

[RaverHippie]

Originally Posted by nachra

are there any sources in houston texas that dmt can be obtained? Pablo most likely wont (cant afford for the time being) to buy a large quantity off the internet but would rather buy and sell small quantities until he can afford a kilo.

Tell your cat that pondering about dealing, even in hypothetical circumstances, is not something that should be done on the internet. Incidentally, asking for sources on this forum is completely against the forum rules.

In addition to those glaring mistakes, your writing style and talk of being a young person still under the yoke of parents entails that you are likely under the legal age of being on this website.

[nachra]

SWIM is in college and never uses drugs, however his cat still lives at the home and is quite rebellious... so this advice is for him not SWIM. Thx for your consern though. Also pablo has once bought a who kilo off the internet and gave away ayahuasca to all the good little cats and dogs of the neighborhood and only asked for donations to buy more, thinking it would help bring peace to the world, however pablos warloving masters found it and tooks its precious away. so please help pablo in enlightening the neighborhood. the masters will indeed see the research so thanks synesthesiac but there must be a store that has dmt containing plants, especially since i found syrian rue in a neighborhood grocery store. Please any advice might be against forum rules but will help bring piece and enlightenment to many cats and dogs left in the dark, so please think of the greater good

[CrookedEye]

There are places that sell it in the country, however, most are only online/mail businesses, plus giving sources here is not allowed.. Only one that SWIM knows of online has an actual storefront where one can go buy these types of things.. Could be a very far drive to get to the storefront, depending on where one lives in the country..

[Desertfox]

State to SWIY's masters that thousands if not millions of people die each year from prescription opiates, anti-depressants and benzos: all the while the total deaths ever in the history of the world caused by DMT or weed is exactly ZERO!

[Potter]

Very simple, wait till you get out of your parents house. If you live at home, don't do drugs.

[Burnt]

Yeah as long as your parents are paying for your rent and food then you don't have much say in the matter. Regardless if you want to educate them on the potential benefits of taking ayahuasca, maybe even get them to try them go for it. But be sensible read some good books or give them some books on the subject. Ayahuasca when used properly is very useful in a healing context.

[entheogensmurf]

Make them read:
Inner Paths to Outer Space by Rick Strassman MD

If that doesn't work, not much else will.

[darkbreed]

SWIM have never been hiding his use of various substances for his parents, and in fact he has discussed them and explained their purpose at several occasions. He also have had them try some themselves, though not of the psychedelic kind (as of yet).

With that said, he has not lived with his parents for around a decade now as he moved out when he was younger but have a very good relation to them and great contact and his purpose of using said substances is mainly for spiritual reasons which he has explained, including showing documentaries about them and the indigenous peoples use of such, shamanism etc, and thus they do have a deeper understanding than just thinking "drug" when such things are mentioned.

They respect his lifestyle and his freedom to chose his way of personal development, and in fact he has given them too great insights gained from his own experiences, which they have greatly benefited from and enjoyed.

As a matter of fact, his parents are still taking care of a salvia divinorum plant he used to own but had to leave behind when moving to another country, and they know well what it is but take good care of it for SWIM and recently gave it over to his brother whom moved back home nearby to them - they have now taken care of this salvia plant for more than 5 years which impressed even SWIM as he did not think they would actually keep such things around themselves.

He suppose he is a lucky bugger with old ones like that.

Heck a toast for them ! Merry Christmas!

[69Ron]

SWIM is quite old now, but when SWIM was a teenager, he was a very responsible teenager. He worked, went to school, and used LSD almost every weekend. His parents did not like it, but they realized that SWIM was doing very well in school, getting straight A’s, and also working after school. They saw that SWIM’s LSD use was not interfering with SWIM’s life at all, and so even though they didn’t approve of it, they allowed it to continue. Now many years later SWIM is the most successful member of his family.

SWIM now has his own family, is making very good money, is a very productive member of society and regularly uses short acting hallucinogens like bufotenine, 5-MeO-DMT, and on occasion DMT. These short acting hallucinogens don’t take up much of SWIM’s busy week.

SWIM doesn’t drink. He doesn’t smoke. He eats very healthy food. He gets regular exercise. He’s in excellent health compared to most others his age. SWIM’s marriage is going well, his kids are quite talented. Everything is as it should be.

Hallucinogens in general are not damaging or addictive. SWIM has gone years at a time without using them, and sometimes has used them every day a few days in a row. He does it when he feels the time is right.

I think the best thing is to show how hallucinogen use has been a normal part of many Native American Religions for hundreds if not thousands of years. Even the ancient Aztecs and Mayan civilizations used hallucinogens regularly for spiritual reasons.

Hallucinogens stimulate the imagination and a healthy imagination is a good thing in life.