Oxycodone Withdrawal Help

[crizzle]

Thanks all. The taper is going well. I appreciate Richards comments on the bupe, its a good idea. I may actually be able to be below the prescribed dose by the end of this week. It really is tough doing this with oxy, but i think I can do it. I suppose the weeks will go something like 120, 80, 60, 40, 20 or something, meaning it will be longer than I would like. Hopefuly I can cut the dosage myself, we'll see.

Thanks for all your support.

[rokman nash]

Crizzle,My friend will tell you that to try to taper with oxy is like trying to quit drinking with Crown.I'm not saying its never been done,but years of experience (on my friends part),he's never seen it done. Now a quick bupe taper(the quicker the better),or cold are your best options.That is if you really want to be clean.If your not ready my friend understands,but to do it the way your NP set it up,in all honesty has about a 1% of actually working

Good luck

[Gappa]

Ativan will bring on WDs too.. It was part of SwiM's magical hospital cocktail during his coma/detox.lol
SWIM sees chances of this working are very small.
SWIY needs to find some subs or cold turkey it out.

[AK911dog]

Immodium has helped SWIM countless times.

[Gappa]

Immodium AD is a valuable tool in the old bag o trix. Bottom line... You pay sooner or later... The way swiy has his usage laid out will be WAYYYY more painful than to just do a quik sub taper

[crizzle]

hey everyone swim appreciates all the comments. When swim sees the doc on the 3rd swim will ask her about getting subs. on the other hand, swim feels like so far his discipline is working weel with this taper. So, say that the doc is unable or unwilling or just for whatever reason will not rx swim the subs (swim can get them elsewhere but that doc charges an insane amount of money and is a real asshole (swim walked out of his office after being treated like scum). Is this impossible because swim is an addict? and, being so, will be too powerless over the drug to follow the taper? Swims pretty sure that's the idea here. However, there is a lot on the line here and if swim is found out he has a lot to lose.

Also, the ativan has not been used too much to become addicted... yet.

Okay so if swim starts to see this thing not working for him he will press harder for the subs, but untill then... can we please give SWIM some more support for the taper? He really could use the support. None of his friends know what he is trying to do, it is a big secret. SWIM is going to try to taper faster on his own, we'll see if that can work out, otherwise he will ask the dr to rx a faster taper. although swim is definitely an addict, he has great self discipline outside drugs that sometime can and has been brough to swims "drug rescue."

So lets say that swim tapers down from 120, every 4-5 days dropping the dosage by 20mgs.... will that bring any withdrawals?

Thank you all for your comments and support thus far.

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oh and btw can anyone explain if there is a difference between cold turkeying 2-4 bags per day really good H (1 month habit) to cold turkeying 120mgs oxy (6 week habit below and above that dosage)?

Thanks

crizzle added 64 Minutes and 29 Seconds later...

what do you all think off this taper.... swim means... if it can be done, will there be withdrawals and where? thanks again.
4 days of each: 120, 100, 80, 60, 40... 3 days of each: 30, 20, 15, 10, 5

[Richard_smoker]

cold turkey from the 120 of oxy should be somewhat better than the 2-4 bags H.

but, given a enough high dose, oxy can definitely be just as bad as H.

i know we've never really discussed this on the board (to my knowledge), but cold turkey withdrawal can be VERY different if comparing one quit to another.. sometimes, it really has NOTHING to do with the drugs or the doses. MANY times, the 'pain' of the withdrawal simply has to do with inadequate mental preparedness and failure to set your intentions to 100%.

if you just set yourself a SOLID quit date, then cold turkey can be very easy--so long as you give yourself plenty to keep busy with and do NOT look back.

for this type of turkey quit, i'd even go so far as to 'treat yourself' on the last day. go ahead and take as much as you can manage on your last day (without o.d.'ing). you can take some dxm on day #1 of being quit...just drink some syrup--about 100mg an hour until the w/d symptoms abate.

[Gappa]

Dick... Don't mean to step on ur toes but if it's only OXY SWIwe're talking about. No done or any other lingering stuff. A 6 day sub taper/detox would be virtually painless..

[rokman nash]

Swigappa your sorta right,but from a mental standpoint my friend truly disagrees.Now physical w/d's tend to last 4-6 days, my friend thought that was easy compaired to the mental aspect which for him (a true junkie)lasted 3 weeks.

Now saying that it certainly wasn't horrible every hour, but there were more bad than good.Now not to scare anyone,but if you prepare properly it's not nearly as bad as it can become.

[Richard_smoker]

Gappa,

you're correct about the 1 week sub taper being much easier than cold turkey. I guess i should apologize for failing to mention it.

but one thing that has made really question my stance on the rapid sub tapers is that i can't help but notice the common END results of these 'painless' tapers. I mean, i'd hate to think that PAIN is the only way we can learn to avoid opiates in the future, but I'm almost ready to endorse that statement on some level.

of course, i'm NOT sadistic, and i hate having to come to terms with something like that IF it IS true. But I've spoken to many many people who have said that the rapid sub withdrawal method works well at making withdrawal painless, but for some reason, i've heard VERY FEW (if any) stories of this method actually lasting for longer than a few weeks.

now if the person has unlimited access to subs, then it will never work. it's just too easy to keep getting re-addicted to the original DOC followed by an ultra-short sub-taper.

can anyone add some positive stories of addicts STAYING off opiates for extended periods after a quick buprenorphine taper? Thanks in advance --DICK

P.S.-->WAIT, GAPPA, is this what YOU DID!??? A rapid bupe taper?? If so, i'm very VERY interested in hearing about your experience with getting through the 2nd month and so on.

Lately, I've been questioning my previous logic regarding this painless-taper idea because my pig found it WAY too tempting to just try and 'manage' his future run-ins with his original DOC. But, my pig did NOT have a very good support system. He didn't proclaim to this website that he was an addict and that he was struggling. Instead, he continued to live in denial about his original problem, even though he stayed away from opiates for a few weeks. The recent experience of grappling with REAL PAINFUL WITHDRAWAL symptoms teleported him to a completely new GALAXY in terms of magical experiences which rank up there alongside a euphoric 2c-e/2c-i/mescaline type experience...all from his body adjusting to the opiates being taken away. So, the withdrawal wasn't really an altogether BAD experience...it was more like a roller-coaster that he was really proud of having experienced once the experience was in his rearview mirror! if anything i've said has made you discouraged or doubtful, then throw out my comments completely... Please send me a pm and update me on your situation. i would really appreciate it. -DICK

[AvidFan]

X will sound like a broken record here, but he thinks painless tapers are not good. It's not that painful cold turkey is any better - he just thinks that the biggest mistake you can make in your approach to opiate addiction is that the physical WD's are the main problem. They are a big problem, but in some ways they are nothing compared to the psychological attachment - why else do people relapse again, and again, and again, after getting through the CT phase (or the taper phase). X just thinks 90% of people will relapse 90% of the time if they don't get the mental side of it right. CT WD's are over in a few days or weeks - the cravings for the DOC can last for months, and there are hair triggers lying in wait everywhere and unless prepared, any one of them can trip you right up.

[Gappa]

Several points.... SWIM stated earlier how nothing is totally "painless" ie you pay sooner or later. By "painless" SWIM is referring to the INITIAL hard 1st stage withdrawal which usually comes within the first week. SWIM was comming off 600mg OXY 100mg Mdone and 16mgs Subs all mixxed and alternated into an opi cocktail. I will stand up here and proclaim the 1st week is the most excruciating. For a VERY short time subs are OK. Anything longer than 7 days are headed toward disaster. SWIM took subs for two weeks and this started to create their own WD. Dick I am sure SWIY is quite familiar of the downside of long term Bupe usage. The second stage WD is just a pain in the azz with hot showers and a little Immodium AD, BUT IS VERY TOLERABLE. SWIM is at day 17 and feels almost great.