Oxycodone Withdrawal Help

[crizzle]

Hi Everyone.

SWIM is wondering what he should expect from his current situation. SWIMhas been using oxycodone, for the most part insufflated, for the past 19 days. For the first 7 days it was generally anywhere from 10 to 40 mgs per day, for the next 5 days it was anywhere from about 20 to 50 mgs per day. For the last week it has been about 100 to 200 mgs per day for SWIM. SWIM has went through heroin withdrawel once before. He is wondering what to expect from this current usage being that the length of use is short and he has only been using large doses for the last 7 days.

Any imput is greatly appreciated by SWIM.

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np, gl in your attempt!

[AvidFan]

I guess it's relative and depends on how SWIY was using heroin before - if someone has been through heroin withdrawal after heavy IV use, a few weeks' worth of oxy withdrawals could be comparatively mild - then again some people find that once the opiate beast has been woken once, withdrawals can be just as bad after a short time of using again.

SWIM has been using OXY for about a year, but never managed to snort for long, as it makes SWIM's nose block up totally for weeks, so SWIM has been eating about 300mg a day in recent weeks but SWIM is coming off cold turkey (another attempt of many) starting this Saturday so would be happy to compare notes if SWICrizzle decides to quit the OXY too.

Wishing you all the best

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thanks

[klonopinz]

k-pinz made klonopinz say:

"I had a similar experience, but maybe twice longer, and not a previous H addict (but to other things). I was scared shitless, and I felt like shit for a day or two, but that was it. I really had no new connection being somewhere else so I had to go cold turkey. Not as bad as I would have expected, but particularly annoying because of my constant looking at the clock to see how long it had passed since last time I looked (prolly 2 thousand times) and such recuring actions triggering oxycodone thoughts. That stopped after 4 days. But the first day I went from sun rise to set without it was the worst (probably very obvious)."

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thanks for the input

[crizzle]

Originally Posted by AvidFan

I guess it's relative and depends on how SWIY was using heroin before - if someone has been through heroin withdrawal after heavy IV use, a few weeks' worth of oxy withdrawals could be comparatively mild - then again some people find that once the opiate beast has been woken once, withdrawals can be just as bad after a short time of using again.

SWIM has been using OXY for about a year, but never managed to snort for long, as it makes SWIM's nose block up totally for weeks, so SWIM has been eating about 300mg a day in recent weeks but SWIM is coming off cold turkey (another attempt of many) starting this Saturday so would be happy to compare notes if SWICrizzle decides to quit the OXY too.

Wishing you all the best

SWIM thanks you. SWIM is likely going to try to cut down as much as possible without coming off because he has surgery scheduled for Monday (minor, about 30 minute knee surgery to remove a small part of a degenerative patella tendon). SWIM has 4 80mg oxys and 10 5mg hydros, he may get some more hydros to help taper down a little but these are 5/500 and all that tylenol is no good. Hes also looking to get some xanax if possible. He's gotta come off this stuff soon, it's just too expensive. He would greatly appreciate updates bro!

[Gappa]

Tolerance builds VERY quickly with OXY. The best thing to do is quit while SWIY is ahead. SWIM was getting up into the 2000mg range. Shit starts to get hairy real quick with that stuff

[AvidFan]

Originally Posted by crizzle

SWIM thanks you. SWIM is likely going to try to cut down as much as possible without coming off because he has surgery scheduled for Monday (minor, about 30 minute knee surgery to remove a small part of a degenerative patella tendon). SWIM has 4 80mg oxys and 10 5mg hydros, he may get some more hydros to help taper down a little but these are 5/500 and all that tylenol is no good. Hes also looking to get some xanax if possible. He's gotta come off this stuff soon, it's just too expensive. He would greatly appreciate updates bro!

SWIM has decided to "novelise" things, using the forum blog system:

http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/blog.php?u=22867

SWIM will post major things on the forum, but a lot of detail will be in the blog - exploring in particular the way the "little voice" (or monkey, or whatever other SWIMmers call it), ie the addiction itself, works in the mind - that's the part SWIM finds hardest.

Good luck again and SWIM is with gappa - get off the OXY as soon as you can find another way to manage your pain, getting stuck on OXY is just not a good idea

Edited to add, SWIM (now referred to as Patient X) has his full account at:

http://www.drugs-forum.co.uk/forum/s...ad.php?t=72929

instead of in the blog facility

[Gappa]

SWIGappa went to methadone and then to suboxone because the WDs from those extremely high doses of oxy are almost too much to bear.

[AvidFan]

Patient X hopes the SWICrizzle's operation went well and he is ready to come off those OXY's

[crizzle]

actually swim hasnt started yet... swim had surgery the other day so swim plans to do it in a day or 2. SWIM now has 8 tabs of .5mg clonazepam and 40 tabs of tylenol 4 (60mg codeaine each) and 12 7.5/750 vicodin. SWIM is using these to taper down.

If swiy were swicrizzle, how would swiy use this to taper?

[AvidFan]

Patient X couldn't comment as tapering has never worked for him, but hopes someone comes by with some good advice.

[Gappa]

Tapers are usually BS as stated by avidfan. The way that works for most is just growing some huge steel balls and clucking cold turkey. or.... hint hint.. get some subbies and taper with those. Any time you continue to take the full opiate agonist you still feed the "monster" making the addiction worse.

[Richard_smoker]

^^^ I gotta agree with Gappa on this.

plus, it sounds like you need more like 6 WEEKS worth of clonidine! just getting you over the immediate withdrawal stage by inhibiting the gooseflesh and cold-sweats--that's just ONE positive effect that clonidine has on the recovering opiate addict.

1. your autonomic nervous system will stay revved-up for a LONG time after withdrawals end.
2. most people couldn't even dream of sleeping in a mindset that is constantly "wired," so clonidine at nightime should be expected at least for the first few months!

i agree that jumping off such a high dose of oxy will definitely be more than you can bear. Transfer your addiction to buprenorphine. make it clear that you're going to attempt RAPID DETOX. he might be upset at first (because if this works, he won't be able to keep milking you for your money!), but just remind him that quitting the 'easy' way just translates into a higher probability that YOU WILL RELAPSE! Make sure he understands your concern about this---and if you can, get him to promise you that if or when you return for a new buprenorphine treatment, you will be welcomed back in with open, nonjudgemental arms.

this is what you need. that's what life's all about. i'm craving a double chili cheeseburger. -DICK

[crizzle]

well, after swim thought and thought about what he was going to do, he decided to go and see his primary care physician to see if he could help. He ended up seeing the nurse practitioner instead.

He came clean with her and she decided to help him taper. She wrote him a script for 14 80 mg oxys and 10 ativan and said to see her in a week. She said that each week she and swim would lower the dose by 20 mgs. Swim hopes this works out and is very grateful.

swim has to go his wife is coming. he will talk more later.

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Thanks for sharing your story and try to get off the oxies asap!

[Anonabyss]

Plan a vacation for a desolate island out in the ocean and keep doing oxy till you leave, then don't bring any! It won't help prevent withdrawal problems but it'll remove the temptation to keep on using!

[Richard_smoker]

interesting... i'm surprised that the nurse practitioner was so helpful in this regard... best of luck to you. sounds like he/she is quite the compassionate and trusting prescriber. best of luck with it. -DICK

[rokman nash]

If you can have that in your house and take it as suscribed your a better man than me. Whenever my friend Dave had a hoard he would go crazy till he could actually visually count them just by looking. Then he would try to control himself till more could be secured. good luck. ROC
do the day or the day will do you

[AvidFan]

Hope this taper is going well. Patient X is with Dave on this one though, he would "taper" but what he was really doing was building his stash up for a big pat on the back reward party later on. Funny how these things become clearer the further away you get from your little cell...

[crizzle]

stilll on 160 per day, change to 120 per day next week

[Richard_smoker]

wow. that's impressive self-control. especially with something like oxy. wait, how much did you start off with per day? 160?

good luck tapering. swiy're gonna have to just push thru it, day by day, follow your schedule & never look back. -DICK

[crizzle]

yea swim finds it hard to control himself, many times he doesnt, but he is getting better at staying near the dr prescribed dose. wed is when swim starts 120/day using 20mg pills. he also got a script of 60, 1mg ativan for help w w/d symptoms.

[Richard_smoker]

maybe you can divide up each day's dose and give it to a loved one to dole out to you, one day at a time?

[rokman nash]

I agree with Dick,, I think you may find yourself short towards the end of the coming weeks and either finding an outside supply or having to go back to your NP and hoping she will start you over .The longer the process is prolonged the harder it becomes towards the end.

ROC
do the day or the day will do you

[Richard_smoker]

sounds like this might be an agonizingly long taper with a drug whose pharmacology doesn't exactly lend itself to being a very good drug for this purpose.

Why don't you ask your NP for buprenorphine and clonidine? Even if he/she prescribes the buprenorphine for PAIN, you can relay to her that your secret hope is that this drug will be easier to get off of than oxy.

Arm yourself with plenty of research on buprenorphine & clonidine tapering schedules. Be prepared to give her specific instructions regarding the typical doseages, and be sure that you're really demonstrating a strong DESIRE TO QUIT.

Anyone who can write oxy's can write bupe for pain. You should ask for Suboxone & then TELL HER that it CONTAINS NALTREXONE! Tell her of any friends' success stories and how they've inspired YOU to try bupe & then quit.

My deepest sympathy goes with you right now--trying to get off oxy using oxy. Best of luck, but if the pain and sickness gets too intense, just explain to your doc/NP that you need something that you can REALLY take once/daily, that takes 1-2 hours to kick in (helps you NOT associate high w/drug), and is easy to come off of. -DICK

[AvidFan]

Am with Roc and Dick on this one - said it before but will say it again, whenever Patient X ever tried to taper any drug of choice (particularly cigarettes, kratom and OXY) it would always get to a stage of, "well I did so well I got down to X amount - but I really would like to carry on for a little longer, so I'll go back up and then taper down again, it will all be easier in a few weeks."

Tapering with any DOC really can be a recipe for an absolute living nightmare.

Would go with RS's advice

[rokman nash]

Curious how your taper is going? Hope all is well.
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