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Old 04-12-2008, 03:14
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SWIM has just gotten a half-gram of heroin. SWIM has never tried it before, and after plenty of research, has ruled out smoking (not a strong enough effect) and injecting (too nasty/dangerous/intense), and will insufflate the powder. i read on another website that an average dose for a first-time heroin user who is snorting, is 5 to 10 milligrams. SWIM has a total of a half-gram (500 milligrams) and so, obviously, the line would be very, very small, since only a small amount would be needed. the only other drug SWIM has snorted is amphetamine (finely ground adderall), and the 50mg that SWIM snorted of that made about 9 lines, and burned like hell. obviously, snorting heroin would be a lot different. how does SWIM lay a line of heroin so that it's not too small and won't have the full effect, but also not too large and will make SWIM overdose? apparently, if a regular first-time dose is 5-10mg, then if SWIM were to divide the half-gram into 10mg lines, he would get a total of 50 lines how long and how wide would each 10mg line be?

thanks, sorry for the long post, but SWIM just wants to try heroin for the first time without overdosing!
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Old 04-12-2008, 03:34
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Re: heroin

The dosages you're referring to are for pure heroin. Street heroin varies widely in its potency but is usually on the very low end. 10mg would be a small bump, not really a line. Obviously, you can't determine the amount of powder in a line just by looking at it, SWIY would need a fairly sophisticated and expensive scale to determine that. SWIY should start small and work his way up. Start with a bump and see where that takes SWIY and work from there. The first time SWIY snorts heroin the effects should last for several hours so doing too little in the first bump shouldn't be too much of a problem. Besides, its better to underdose and not feel anything than to overdose and die. Right?

Assuming it is pure diacetylmorphine, the best way to measure out a dose without a scale would be to dissolve it in water and then squirt it up his nose. For instance if SWIY mixed his 500 mg in 50 ml of water then he could safely predict that every millileter will contain ten milligrams of diacetylmorphine

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Old 04-12-2008, 04:43
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Re: heroin

SWIM thinks he'll just start out with a very small little bump, see what that does, and adjust dosage accordingly.

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Old 04-12-2008, 04:55
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Re: heroin

Swim has heard that pretty good advice is to start with a bump the size of a match head.

However, since it was sold to swiy by weight and not in a stamped bag like swim would normally get it in, swim is assuming you don't live near her and doesn't know what kind of heroin swiy has.
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Old 04-12-2008, 06:03
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Re: heroin

no, SWIM got his in a little baggie, and it's a brown powder, sold as a half gram. SWIM doesn't have any measuring equipment, but trusts the seller enough to be pretty confident that it is indeed a half a gram. SWIM lives on the west coast, if that makes any difference. he hasn't had any of the heroin yet, lol hes still pretty high off the 50mg amphetamine he took a while ago.
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Re: heroin

Swim isn't recommending mixing drugs if swiy isn't used to it, but the heroin will be very helpful if the comedown from amphetamines bothers swiy.
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Re: heroin

go ahead and do a 10mg line. Even though it isn't pure, and that is a small dose, it'll give you a feel for it. Don't worry, yor not going to be missing out on a rush like IV heroin provides.
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Re: heroin

the match head size is the best advice to start off with, waiting around 40 mins for the effects to fully manifest before having another match head size bump. smurf remembers his first line of heroin & was amazed at how little he had to feel totally satisfied 'infact too satisfied' that smurf got really sick & felt like shit afterwards.

brown heroin is usually pretty strong so expect to be sick after the first few times of trying 'if swey is gonna try again' in the future.
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Old 04-12-2008, 06:23
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Re: heroin

how does it feel going up? SWIM hopes it's not as bad as amphetamine - as soon as SWIM blows a line of speed, his nose is on fire and his eyes start watering to where he cant see. and also, how long will it take to kick in, how long will it last, and how will it feel? the only other opiates SWIM has tried before are hydrocodone, oxycodone, and buprenorphine. is it comparable to any of those?
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Re: heroin

It isn't too bad going up, especially because there isn't a lot of it swiy has to snort. The drip, though, is pretty sick in swim's opinion. Swiy will start feeling fucked up within minutes, however.

it's more comparable to oxycodone out of the opiates you mentioned. But stronger.

Be careful.

and absolutley do not start getting curious about IVing. It ruined swim's life over and over again.


by the way, use the forum search engine. These are all questions that have been answered over and over again on this forum. Look at the Heroin experience thread (sticky at the top) if swiy wants to get to know the effects. Browse the forum, you will find the answers your looking for. Another word of advise, try not to be so vague with your thread titles. Obviously this thread is about heroin, since it is in the heroin forum.

Not trolling, just trying to help you out man. Peace!
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Old 04-12-2008, 06:37
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Re: heroin

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how does it feel going up? SWIM hopes it's not as bad as amphetamine - as soon as SWIM blows a line of speed, his nose is on fire and his eyes start watering to where he cant see. and also, how long will it take to kick in, how long will it last, and how will it feel? the only other opiates SWIM has tried before are hydrocodone, oxycodone, and buprenorphine. is it comparable to any of those?
going up fine, back drop pretty nasty tasting but barable, to 'kick in' around ten minutes & effects should last around 2-3 hours.

the feeling can't really be described other than warm, euphoric, tipsy, a little itchy & nauseaus. be safe, have fun & do'nt make it a habit. now start using the forum search engine. lol.

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Old 04-12-2008, 06:37
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Re: heroin

no way man, SWIM would never mess with injecting, that can ruin people's veins, not to mention the risks of using unsterilized equipment. and SWIM doesn't really have an addictive personality, and probably won't even think about heroin anymore once his curiosity is satisfied. if SWIM does end up doing it again, then he'll have the same relationship with heroin that he does with amphetamine: have a little bit occasionally, and space out the dosings really far apart, so as not to make a habit out of it.

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Re: heroin

well more power to swim. But heroin has a habit of making people addicts even they don't have "addictive personalities". Heroin is not the same as speed. I don't know, I just think you're taking this very lightly. Spacing doses may be harder than swiy thinks.

Remember, most people didn't plan on getting addicted to heroin. Swim was of the same mind set as swiy when he first started fucking with it.
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Old 04-12-2008, 07:44
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Re: heroin

well, i don't know if it makes any difference, SWIM has tried oxycontin and buprenorphine, and uses both occasionally, spacing a good amount of time between dosings. of course, both of those are trivial compared to heroin. but under any circumstances, SWIM already has it, and is now very curious about its effects. besides, the guy that SWIM got it from sold SWIM the last of his, and it's a rarity, even for the dealer (he usually sells just ecstacy and weed). SWIM isn't the kind of guy who's very well-connected, or even can get that well-connected - he just isn't in that crowd. after SWIM polishes off this half-gram, he won't be able to get any more for a long time, even if he wanted to (which i don't even think he would anyway). but anyway, SWIM's definitely not gonna take what you said lightly, since you're pretty experienced in the heroin department. but SWIM's pretty sure everythings gonna go nice and smooth, so when i sober up from this speed, he'll be layin his match head and give this stuff a shot
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Re: heroin

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SWIM has just gotten a half-gram of heroin. SWIM has never tried it before, and after plenty of research, has ruled out smoking (not a strong enough effect) and injecting (too nasty/dangerous/intense), and will insufflate the powder.
This is incorrect. Swim would definitely suggest smoking smack. It smokes really well unlike cocaine base for example which can be a pain in the arse and most ends up burning anyway.

Swim has an addictive personality and love coke and dope but swim only has a passing interest in smack because swim does not enjoy the nausea that it causes. So there was never any danger of swim becoming addicted.

Smoking is the best way to enjoy it. Unless one is an addict in which case it is more *efficient* to snort or inject. But if an addict was wealthy then smoking again would be preferable.
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Old 04-12-2008, 09:12
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Re: heroin

is the smoke harsh at all? it probably tastes bad, this stuff smells like shit.
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Old 04-12-2008, 09:20
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Re: heroin

The smoke is very gentle and you don't use much of it. It has a slightly fishy smell, but nothing that is a big deal. Swiy can also use really small amounts too.

Can be easily smoked by putting a bit on some foil with a candle under it, make a little dimple in the foil so it doesn't run around when it melts. Or just as easy, put some on top of some cigarette ash. It doesn't do all the bullshit that coke base does.
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Re: heroin

SWIM heard you can heat it on a spoon and then inhale the vapor from a straw. does that work pretty well?
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Re: heroin

swim doesn't know but swim would suggest foil because it tranfers the heat much quicker. If swiy places some on a bit of foil and swiy can keep the tip of the candle just below the spot, not touching the foil, then swiy will find it melts and bubbles and dries to a crisp ash very quickly. And it's fine to leave it melted and come back to it. Using a heavy spoon sounds like a drag although swim has never tried that.
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Re: heroin

Swims big mistake was trying heroin that 1st time! It was all downhill from there!
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Re: heroin

Swim would definitely snort it before smoking it, if only for the reason that its not complicated and you can just do it then and there.
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Re: heroin

To snort or not to snort?that is the question-Does swicobet know what type of "H" they have got?Does it dissolve in water?if it does then snorting will be best,if it don't mmmm-options.
Either way do be carefull..
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Re: heroin

If it's brown no 3 heroin it would be better to "chase" it up and down the foil than to cook it to a frazzle in one spot, that would be a real waste of gear.
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Re: heroin

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Swim would definitely snort it before smoking it, if only for the reason that its not complicated and you can just do it then and there.
exactly, that's what most attracted SWIM to the idea of insufflating it.
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Re: heroin

If putting some smack on a bit of foil and holding a lighter under it for a few seconds is 'complicated' then swiy should give up drug taking and take up a more simple pastime like basket weaving.

Why anyone would want to put something up their nose when it is not necessary is beyond me. If one has an addiction sure, smoking is wasteful. This is why, in Thailand with their cheap and best quality number 4 fluffy stuff, they chase giant dragons they don't do fat lines.

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