Effects - Will Paranoia always come with cocaine

[scarface2]

Swim wonders if paranoia will always set in after using cocaine in high amount of grams (around 2.5 to 3 grams over 8 to 12 hours)..Swim never had this problem before but over the last couple of years swim is always scared of Windows,running water,strong winds and loud noises to no end? but at some twisted level swim must like it because the action is repeated once or twice a month?? swim wonders if others do the same?

[Benga]

please read this thread on cocaine use related paranoia
http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=37887

[ScorpioSunshine]

Swim has seen others get that way, though she has never experienced that paranoia that seems to grip some users. She's seen people go nuts with it and it used to drive her crazy having to babysit and reassure those people, lol (swim doesn't mean to offend anyone! lol )

Swim thinks that for some people it becomes part of the high, part of the experience, and a learned behavior. Swim would see that consistent behavior in many of her friends. In other words, yes, they would alway get paranoid. Swim is not saying this could be the case for swiy, but it's just what she has witnessed.

Swim doesn't know all the mechanics of it, why people do it, etc. She's just seen enough of it in the past to see, in her own experience, that for some users paranoia is part of the experience.

When swim had friends hanging sheets over her blind-covered windows, plugging keyholes with toothpaste, always worrying about cops and flushing shit, and peeking out windows, even rambling through swim's panty drawer, swim would get very irritated since that behavior greatly hindered her fun. Swim doesn't touch cocaine now, but when was still using, she had to get the hell away from the paranoid crowd. If she did use with them, she'd put them in one room and let them feed off one another and she would enjoy herself and the other non-paranoid users in another room or another part of the house, lol.

[Aar0n]

Originally Posted by scarface2

Swim wonders if paranoia will always set in after using cocaine in high amount of grams (around 2.5 to 3 grams over 8 to 12 hours)..Swim never had this problem before but over the last couple of years swim is always scared of Windows,running water,strong winds and loud noises to no end? but at some twisted level swim must like it because the action is repeated once or twice a month?? swim wonders if others do the same?

Probably. The whole cocaine effect is sometimes tainted by paranoia for people (SWIM hasn't even experienced this, luckily).

It doesn't surprise SWIM though, with 2.5g+ in 12 hours that paranoia and other side effects that aren't present at lower doages kick in. SWIM has had a single gram before and been absolutely coked to the max for well over 8 hours, on several occasions.

[humdroid]

Stimulant paranoia is related to dopamine being in the wrong part of the brain, at the wrong time.
Vitamin B3 (niacin) takes the dark edge of stims.
Vitamin B3 should be taken alongside the other B vits, as a complex.
Vit B complex should be taken with a multivit.
Don't take these on an empty stomach.
'Berocca' or a stores 'own-brand' type vitamin drink is ideal.

Y isnt into coke, but was into speed and got a few psychotic episodes. Being a big kid, Y liked to 'play with the voices in his head' as, to start with, they were fun, silly, and very benign. Same with the hallucinations. Unbeknownst fully to Y, this was the non paranoid psychosis.
When the paranoid psychosis set in, it was sudden.
There was no time to feel 'they are plotting against me' or 'they are out to get me' - they were here, acccording to the then paranoid psychotic Y.
The paranoia landed sudden, and Y felt (knew?) they had already got him.

All bollocks of course, as Y would pass out, and wake up realising it was yet another psychotic episode.
Y had trouble staying off speed, but staved off the psychosis with the drink mentioned above.
Y is off the speed now, due to depression, he got so lethargic, he was even too depressed to buy some shit hot whizz the other day, mad eh!

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good info on vit. B, thanks

[darkbreed]

Personally SWIM never experienced paranoia from coke, and no negative comedown either such as from amphetamines which can be quite horrible. SWIM finds coke to be very "clean" in effects with few noticeable negative side effects. He can be somewhat nervous when doing it though, but that is mostly due to trying to use it without other people around noticing him doing so, so he keeps an eye up and find himself constantly checking if someone he dont want to "bust him" at it is around, though he would hardly put this into the "paranoia" category. More a "cautious" and "alert" category.

Amphetamines on the other hand get him really blasted with some hardcore paranoia at times, specially on the comedown. Though at same time he actually prefers amphetamines over coke due to its longer lasting effects and cheaper price, but he do not have access to such in his area so stay to the coke when it comes to uppers.

In general SWIM is not a upper-man at all and usually avoid such, but coke is one of the exceptions, along with amphetamines on rare occassions. He is much more of a downer man and he do have downers at hand just in case as a security measure if any negative effects should arise - but so far he did not need to use those with coke as he have to with amphetamines, which he NEVER does unless he have some good benzos at hand.

SWIM is somewhat dissapointed by coke and its effects compared to natural coca leafs which he REALLY enjoys and for some reason find both more euphoric and potent than pure coke and he is lucky enough to live in a country where coca leafs are legal to consume and are very cheap so whenever he has access to that he prefers that instead of coke. He really loves chewing on those suckers =)

[humdroid]

Y's aggitation was so bad after the few times he did coke, if he were to do it again, Y would genuinely be anxious as to what he may do to himself in that aggitated state. Aggitation is a trigger for Y to have serious attacks of inwardly turned rage.
coke alwats equalled aggitation, in the days after the snortage.
If Y were to do coke again, maybe he would be paranoid of himself being out to get him.
Seriously.
Phets did give Y irrational paranoia though, he believed he was in the company of those who hated him. Y was alone at the time.
These was full blown paranoid psychotic jobs.

Y still struggled not to fall to speed some time after the psychotic episodes, but he never was without trusty B vitamin complex and plenty food during the speed falls, as he couldnt handle the ps again.

Nowadays Y is taking each day as it comes, but has not been upto taking speed for the last good few weeks, as he fears, too much, the days he has none.

[Blu_berrytoke]

Yes, it will.

[General Grievous]

comes with the territory if swiy paranoid means they got some good shit. swim gets like thatr on g+ nights looks out windows..hears things, thinks people are coming int through the backyard..but w/e itt akes a while to get use to it and control it...but swim admits its fun sometimes coke psychosis

[humdroid]

Originally Posted by betsym

Swim has always found coke to cause her to be paranoid, but then she WAS using the strongest and most direct method of administration. Besides that, she is very small (less than 100 pounds) so maybe size does matter when it comes to doses. Swim's senses are kind of sensitive anyway. She doesn't like loud noises on a good day and on coke, ANY noise is loud, for her lol! Her skin was sensitive to the point that she didn't like being touched when she used to do coke. Swim is just one of these "sensitive" folks who "feels" and experiences things "intensely." Swim was told that the more pure the coke, the more paranoia it will cause. Swim didn't argue the point but just decided to leave it alone.

Y can relate to that thread in regards to coke.
The better the quality, the worse it was for Y.
Y likes the sensitivity, but not the overwhelmedness.
Y is with Swim on the leaving it along, purely cos it scared the shit out of him.

[General Grievous]

swiy ur friend sounds like the grl in scanner darkly.. "i do a lot of coke, dont touch me" wtf lol..when swim does coke he wants to touch and be touched

[General Grievous]

actually betsy coke affects all transmitters.. serotonin, dopamine,neurophenephrine..it doesnt release more of any..what it does it blocks the reuptake..

[Blu_berrytoke]

^^Swim thinks it would have to be both. Coke in general will make anyone paranoid, it just takes more for some. But it can also definitely increase the anxiety and apprehension of an already existing paranoia. If one has no worries, anxiety, or paranoia, the result will be less of it in the end, but it does always come, whether you were paranoid or not. It just works on different levels for different people, i.e. someone who has adhd.

[General Grievous]

right on betsy..swim was actually gonna touch on benzos when talking about the transmitters..thats the only transmter he left out GABA..gaba works with benzos..and its a bad idea to mix benzons with coke because they work on different transmitters and just like swiy said the benzo WILL weaken the rush of the cola...swim saves the benzo for when he wants to sleep and not feind anymore lol

[MiMoMo]

My parakeet liked to dip its beak into cocaine for the emotional exhiliration and torrent of clarity. When wired, my birdbrain would race analytical, envisioning all combinations of outcomes possible for any action. Taken with the intent on accomplishing both physical and mental tasks, this work ethic related useage seemed to prove beneficial. The ability to perform Herculean labor with farm chores and achieve keen insight into price patterns while trading the markets were quite rewarding, at first.

Of course, a possible outcome of any activity is tragedy. When operating heavy machinery, there is always the possibility of catastrophic malfunction. In trading leveraged markets, there is always the possibilty of an unforseen price shock that would instantly cause financial ruin. In dealing with other people, there is always the chance of deception, fraud and malicious conspiracy. This gradually increasing awareness of the sinister side of life would feedback on itself and amplify into distortion, a distortion of life's purpose.

Well, my parakeet, now grown into a sailor's gnarly parrot, would squawk incessantly about looming dangers. And being that cocaine has not yet reached the level of legal acceptance as has medical marijuana, my parrot stood on sound ground when shrieking about infarctions, arrhythmias, accidents, narcs, snitches and stings. There came the rude realization of playing the role of mouse in the cat and mouse game of the legal jungle. The bird, having already had its wings clipped once and experienced being caged for hard time, now turned raven screaming 'nevermore' over and over again.

How can paranoia NOT come with cocaine in a society that persecutes its users with deceptive entrapments and no knock invasions? How can paranoia NOT come with cocaine when it is commonly cut with unknown hazardous contaminants that compromise health. Now, it is said that properly cleaned cocaine is a smooth transcendant high, devoid of fretting and fiending. To which my vulture harps that perhaps a bit more paranoia would have better served poor epote to avoid a leafy dilemma.

The sensitive excitability SWIM felt while his sparrow is tweaking is indelibly scorched onto SWIM's brain. While driving tractor this summer, SWIM felt like having a line. So, he played a mind game, imagining stopping and cutting out a few on the fender. Truly envisioning the act in all its detail, SWIM felt high, and then? SWIM wondered if someone was possibly watching him from the woods or the roadside. Jeebus!

[Tristan]

SWIMs worst high moment, was when a balloon popped out of nowhere!!!! SWIM wouldn't have been shocked if she'd shat herself after that...

[legalizzzeit]

For coke paranoia, a small amount of a benzo -valium, -ativan etc. works real real good, haven't had any c in a long time though

[InTheCity]

SWIM has had quite a few bad experiences with cola. The most significant was a very good night that started early and went into the early hours of the morning, but found himself with quite a bit of cola left, and he seems to have a major problem where SWIM cant stop using until hes finished all he has. So SWIM gets back to friends house where he was going to crash (Huge house, practically a mansion) and he decides to sleep in the movie theater room in the basement (one of many themed rooms in the basement) and finished off the rest of his cola (just over a gram) until about 6 or 7 in the morning while watching tv. During those 3-4 hours he had the worst trips of his life, imaginary footsteps all around him, banging on the walls, doors slamming, and faint voices. The only thing he could do to get himself through it was chain smoking, he went through 25 cigs (a full pack) in those 4 hours, all the while contemplating suicide, no joke. Although swim has had a history of depression that may have very well contributed significantly to those thoughts, it still was a very scary and intense experience.

Now paranoia this bad has only happened to swim once, nothing else hes ever experienced comes close, and hasn't had anything remotely like it since.

[RedBaron]

Ya when Baron first started using he never experienced paranoia at all but as of late the stupidest, simplest things seem to get him edgy. He'll be walking home and will always wonder what is around the next corner. Also white cars seem to really get him panicky for obvious reasons i think. Mostly when hes carrying amounts on him however.Weird how things changed so drastically though; as the first year or two he used there was never a worry in the world. Confidence level was through the roof and it was almost as if Baron had an invincibility power. Just a way of your body and mental stigma showing you that you're abusing the drug Baron supposes.