Effects - Hawaiian Baby Woodrose have no effects on SWIM why?

[papinef]

SWIM has tried doing a 20 hour extraction method with 12 Hawaiian Baby Woodrose with bottled water and it had no effect on SWIM, the 2nd day SWIM smashed 3 seeds and ate them and still nothing?
What is SWIM doing wrong?

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good question

[gmeziscool2354]

well most crude extractions don't work very well and my rabbit has had bad luck with a batch of Hawaiian baby woodrose seeds once before, so that is all he can offer. Usually with HBW seeds grinding to a powder and consuming straight is the best bet. its the most bang for the buck

[Felix Guattari]

A few possible reasons, but the most likely are that you have too old of a batch of seeds or that they were somehow grown under conditions not conducive to production of LSAs.

As long as the seeds are crushed and the water's been acidified, there's not much else you can do.

Try another source, I suppose.

[gmeziscool2354]

or try heavenly blue morning glory seeds. Those seeds can produce to very potent flowers, much more potent that any other said molecule containing seeds

[Felix Guattari]

Originally Posted by gmeziscool2354

or try heavenly blue morning glory seeds. Those seeds can produce to very potent flowers, much more potent that any other said molecule containing seeds

MGs more potent? Certainly not on a per-seed basis. LSAs per MG seed are in the microgram range, HBWR can be as high as .25 miligrams (still technically in the microgram range, I suppose, but a lot higher).

[fiveleggedrat]

Weak seeds? Seeds with no LSA? Old seeds?

[Felix Guattari]

And, re: gmez: Quite to the contrary, if you look at the trip report data from erowid, (and SWiM's experience concurs) the crude extractions usually give better results.

[maletwickenham]

Swim has done 8 HBW seeds and had no effect, in fact Swim has not had any real effects as strong as morning glory on HBW. but saying that Swim has not really done much HBW. Morning Glory is very strong if you munch on it.

How long is the shelf life as Swim has a bag of 50 HBW seeds unopened that he got in July? (Swim only remembered half way doing this post)

[gmeziscool2354]

yeah same, morning glories, particularly heavenly blue seem to have the perfect alkaloid balance to produce beautiful and complex flowers. HBW seems to produce flowers from less seed mass, but even at high doses the flowers do not compare in complexity or beauty to Heavenly blue MG's

gmeziscool2354 added 4 Minutes and 2 Seconds later...

edit: and by high doses my gardener using the phrase in reference to nasuea threshold,

Consider a does of heavenly blues and a dose of hbw's that will produce equal unwanted effects. The MG"s will produce much more flowers which are much more optically pleasing and much more complex than the HBW.

[Felix Guattari]

IF by 'flowers' you mean 'visuals', I'm pretty sure that varies pretty significantly from person to person and experience to experience; the data just isn't there to be able to argue that one is 'more visual than the other'.

However, it might be interesting to see if people might have an opinion one way or the other when polled.