Best drug for enlightment/insight

[Capita]

Hello swim was wondering the best drug that provides the best (i suppose the word is enlightenment or insight). Swim loved the way shrooms made him think about his life where it was going and about relationships really spiritual. Acid on the other hand had great visuals but always feels hollow and edgy the whole time and make swim uncomfortable. What other drugs have swimmers used that provided a deep though and insight to life like shrooms?

[crackcityrocker]

DMT (dimethyltryptamine). you dont have to take a breakthrough dose (50-60mg?) to get this type of insight. swim has benefited a large amount from 30mg of smoked DMT, regardless of how long it lasts. just make sure swiy writes what he feels for later analysis.

[Cryptic Concoction]

I think any drug can provide "insight" from the perspective of the user. If SWIY found psilocybin containing mushrooms "enlightening," he may find that mescaline or (as the above member suggested) DMT elucidate his universe.

Of course, these drugs cannot be equated, though SWIM would consider mescaline and mushrooms to share many characteristics. Many seem to find mescaline (if one can procure it) to render a profound experience.

However, it is impossible for any person to determine how these heavily subjective drugs will affect another person, given the manifold variables that shape such experiences.

[Nature Boy]

SWIM finds ketamine to produce something of an insightful effect. It washes away fears and puts reality in perspective, things you would deny to yourself but now you have the ability to see through them. Ketamine is thought to be an effective short-term solution to depression. As a dissociative, I suppose it challenges the pettier aspect of our worries and reminds us our minds are a lot more powerful than we usually give them credit for. Some people get hooked on this feeling so one should tread carefully. An occasional K-hole is fun but ketamine addiction is meant to be pretty nasty, though relatively uncommon.

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I'll look into that

[FooManChoo]

DMT is the Kuta. But shrooms like LSD can be great teachers too.

[greenk]

I have to agree with nature boy. Something occours through the k-hole which is both awesome and insightful. The only tricky part is remembering what occoured while you were there. swim loves k and swim just can`t help it.

[Herbal Healer 019]

Some ppl would disagree, but SWIM thinks, when in the right mindset & setting, opiates are great for enlightenment. Yes alot of depressed ppl use opiates for an "escape". But for SWIM, who suffers from bouts of depression from time to time, does not use them as an escape, but rather 4 enlightenment. SWIM likes to use opiates in social situations because he feels it really allows him to be empathetic towards those around him & really connect on a deeper level with those he is closer to. Opiates tend to make SWIM more appreciative for the simple things in life & 4 what he has.

Cannabis can also b a great drug for enlightenment, but in a more analytical way. On cannabis SWIM feels more laid back and happy, but other times SWIMs thoughts are racing & he thinks about a million things at once, ussually the path he has chosen in his life so far.

Shrooms are definately a great tool for enlightenment for retro/introspection. SWIM finds shrooms always make him feel very passionate about life & nature, & makes him loathe how much mankind takes for granted & manipulates nature in a destructive way.

[PsychoActivist]

SWIM has yet to use DMT or Ayahuasca. He is sure he will one day when the time is right or when one of these (or both) substances find him. The most insightful drug for him was LSD hands down. This opened up a part of his mind and taught him all about worlds - THE world, HIS world, and other peoples worlds. It taught him that no one else is responsible for how he feels. Though others can contribute each and every person is ultimately responsible for the way they feel and the only thing that exists in ones world is what they let into they're world. It also opened his mind to so many new possibilities on what life is all about, and where we came from. SWIM was never really religious and still isn't. But he does have a sprituality. He is not quite sure exactly what it is because his has been opened to all the possibilities. He could never confine himself to a particular belief.

I guess he could go on and on but this pretty much sums up the beauty of what LSD has taught him.

[deathhead]

Originally Posted by PsychoActivist

SWIM has yet to use DMT or Ayahuasca. He is sure he will one day when the time is right or when one of these (or both) substances find him. The most insightful drug for him was LSD hands down. This opened up a part of his mind and taught him all about worlds - THE world, HIS world, and other peoples worlds. It taught him that no one else is responsible for how he feels. Though others can contribute each and every person is ultimately responsible for the way they feel and the only thing that exists in ones world is what they let into they're world. It also opened his mind to so many new possibilities on what life is all about, and where we came from. SWIM was never really religious and still isn't. But he does have a sprituality. He is not quite sure exactly what it is because his has been opened to all the possibilities. He could never confine himself to a particular belief.

I guess he could go on and on but this pretty much sums up the beauty of what LSD has taught him.

Thats because what we think of as 'beliefs' are all just based off of the same one thing,
pure indisputable truths

such as, as you metioned, realizing no one controls how you feel, and YOU CHOOSE how you feel. this can be based on preconcieved illusions, and this is when you are controled by anyone else.
you have to take the situation as it is, without judgment, and decide what you think about said situation.
and you have to rememver you control your entire world and everything in/about it with your energy.

deathhead added 8 Minutes and 2 Seconds later...

Oh, and sorry, to the OP, swim believe that mushrooms are the most enlightiening, but sm\wim feels spiritual about them.
Im sure more than a few here have read/listened to Terrance MEkana?

mescaline swim beleive are very simalar but in no way related, if that makes any sense.

DMT ofcourse,
and Swim believes that bud(sativa, which prodiced the mind-high), is very goof for realization, and reconizing truths, which would be enlightenment.
But ussually when this happens to swim, it is just swim tripping out on a already-recognized-and-accepted truth. and then agreeing with swim's self.
Swim tends to have one sided philosophical debates in swim's head.
swim also is eduacated enough, and not ignorant enough to play the devil's advocated aswell. but i always know how to convince anyone,and myself, of the original indispuatable truth.

[RaverHippie]

DOB always worked wonders for my raver friend. It would be an inevitability that he would go over things bothering him in his subconscious and trip out over them until he figured them out. He often used DOB just to get over certain things in his life and greatly values the things learned on that substance. I feel jealous just passing along the message because he really liked it.

[Fat Cop]

Originally Posted by Nature Boy

SWIM finds ketamine to produce something of an insightful effect. It washes away fears and puts reality in perspective, things you would deny to yourself but now you have the ability to see through them. Ketamine is thought to be an effective short-term solution to depression. As a dissociative, I suppose it challenges the pettier aspect of our worries and reminds us our minds are a lot more powerful than we usually give them credit for. Some people get hooked on this feeling so one should tread carefully. An occasional K-hole is fun but ketamine addiction is meant to be pretty nasty, though relatively uncommon.

Swim gets the same sort of feeling on DXM. Thoughts and perception are powerful tools. They can kill a person and even destroy the world. Have a look.

[CuriousJOE]

None, do not delude yourself.

[Heretic.Ape.]

^ care to elucidate? Otherwise that's a pretty pointless one-liner post. In some respects I agree. Drugs can serve as catalysts to metanoia but it is contingent on the individual's predisposition. Also, no insight, however grand, amounts to any degree of enlightenment unless it is "brought down to earth" with you after the experiences and actualized in daily life.
Try regular meditation. If the myriad accounts of it's efficacy are to be trusted, it will aid in psychedelic journeys short term and ultimately free one from the need for any substance to break out of habitual thought patterns that stand in the way of constant revelation and metanoia.
Monkey is hoping that after some years of practice he will no longer have need to make an outlaw and heretic of himself in pursuing his own path to ecstasy and revelation space. Drugs can open a window, but there is no door until one can enter altered states at will. You always come down, and when you do the finest jewels are never permitted to return to the world within the confines of an unruly mind.

[CuriousJOE]

Originally Posted by CuriousJOE

None, do not delude yourself.

I do not think you can recieve "enlightenment" from drugs. Yes you may view things from another perspective, but if seeking enlightenment, it is unadvisable to turn to drugs, because you will most likely suffer pointlessly at some point in your futile search. I would more readily turn to Budism, for, as you say, enlightenment.