TEK - Totally blasted on 4 different routs of administration

[darkbreed]

SWIM do not recommend this, but he has now administrated coke in 4 different ways and it pretty spun out

First route was rectal administration, a nice half teaspoon of coke added in 5ml hot water, mixed, sucked up in a syringe pump and then inserted into rectum and injected. This method is very effective and increases the effects by 2-3 times as well as coming on quicker. So less coke needed.

He also added some coke to his coca cola, then snorted some lines, and smoked some cigarettes rolled with tobacco and coke sprinkled around in it. This drinking route requires more coke to be effective, and it comes on slower. The good thing is it lasts longer.

His favorite is the smoke, gives a very nice buzz and not really much is needed. For some reason coke seems to be more useful sprinkled in a cigarette than crack the same way. This method however have the shortest duration of effects.

Taking coke in all these ways at the same time is not something you should do, you may easily get more effects than you were asking for. Always be careful, keep doses low and know your tolerance if deciding to try any such thing, which you really shouldnt.

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[doppey]

From what SWIM has read eating cocaine can be VERY hard on your insides. Also smoking the cocaine in a cigarette is quite a waste as most of it gets destroyed before being vaporized and would be VERY bad for your lungs. Probably worse than crack since i would assume more solvents and impurities would be present.

Just some things you should STRONGLY consider.

Peace

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	I was going to point to those dangers as well

[superdupernaut]

Swiy can also mainline that shit.

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Is that really safe advice? If swiy thinks so swiy should go into more detail than one line of text. Try to consider the...

[MiMoMo]

Since SWIwe are on the subject of utilizing naturally occurring body orifices as delivery routes for cocaine, might the eyes and ears be up for any consideration? Also, if transdermal absorption through the skin is of any efficacy, perhaps the wearing of a cocaine 'patch' will allow more stylish administration. Now, lest no stone go unturned, another port of welcome entry might be with cocaine sitz bath, a more 'scenic route' of delivery by way of genitalia. Thoughts of a Peruvian penis soak or Venezuelan vaginal douche come to mind...

~Whatever~, seems like an awful amount of extra driving to reach the same destination. Time might be better spent doing a damn double acetone wash or proper A/B extraction to create a superior product first. And then just breath in~~~

P.S. Oh, and that sprinkle into/onto a cigarette thing NEVER worked for SWIM, no matter how much/many people insisted that it was dope.

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nice ideas heh heh

[purplehaze]

Please do not post prices for it is against the rules. Also do some research on acids, bases, and salts.

[Fight Club]

NIK is thrilled to hear that you found 4 ROAs without injecting. IV coke is a dangerous path . . .

FC

[dyingtomorrow]

Originally Posted by superdupernaut

You can also mainline that shit.

lol, hellz yeah...

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Worthless Post. Know One Liners

[klonopinz]

Regarding this thread, Klonopinz told Swim earlier:
..."

Cocaine works specifically (or at least doctors/scientists tell us) as a dopamine reuptake inhibitor, norepinephrine reuptake inhibitor and serotonin reuptake inhibitor. Whichever route you choose, this is the way it will affect in your system, aside from placebo-like effects created by users own perceptions and minor metabolization differences depending on "administration route" effects. Understand the role of these 3 neurotransmitters and how cocaine interacts with them (i.e. understand what "reuptake inhibitor is", find the rate of inhibition, the amount inhibited and neuron pathology, etc.). After clearly understanding how these (inter/re)act, then read about the chemicals/physical properties, the different chemical solutions containing cocaine (forms of) and find out all possible ways of known SAFE administration of each, regardless of moral or ethical views.

A helpful tip is to look for substances with similar properties (chemical and pharmacological, i.e. tropane alkaloids, or CNS stimulants, respectively). But cocaine's main problem is that it's never pure, and varies in purity, so a) foreign substances will probably also take part of your "experience" if not purified, and/or b) you might unknowingly take an non-tolerated dose (i.e. you use 2 different drug sources through 2 different routes)

In theory though (and eventually), every chemical can be administered on every way, if properly combined with other substances (binders, inactive ingredients, catalysts,etc.) and exposing the to different forces (heat, pressure, ph variaiton, etc.) to create slightly different but new substances. These "new" chemicals are what some companies use to repatent old trademarks with a "new mechanism of action". Cocaine is not used medically (no monetary value comes from finding new ways to basically give the same effect already achieved through known methods) so no new or different administration routes are likely to be develop.

The known key differences in route administrations is the amount of time it takes for effects to take place, the total amount absorbed, the rate at which it is administered around your system, and how the involved intake systems interact (metabolize) the form of cocaine which you took. The different effects arising from metabolization of cocaine are not really understood nor adequately noted, but are though to be negligible since most is promptly excreted. *klonopinz disagrees with the medical opinion in the effects of metabolization*

" ...

Swim would like to let MiMoMo know that, yes, cocaine (not the one you get at the street though) can be administered intraocularly, but does not produce the desired effects, and no, it currently can't be administered otically (through ears) probably because it hasn't been developed. Topically, it won't make it to your brain at an high enough rate (mainly capillaries will be absorbing it slowly), and you will instead feel some slight effects for a longer time and probably anesthesia in the area administrated since not all will be absorbed by the circulatory system.

Swim also points out that "rectal administration" is basically a topical injection, which permits certain forms of cocaine to be absorbed into the circulatory system via rectal mucosa, and although known to be significant this route has never been medically studied thoroughly.

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Beautiful comprehensive overview and on-point reply. Thank You!

[radiometer]

Originally Posted by darkbreed

His favorite is the smoke, gives a very nice buzz and not really much is needed. For some reason coke seems to be more useful sprinkled in a cigarette than crack the same way. This method however have the shortest duration of effects.

Cocaine HCl molecules are destroyed at the temperatures required for vaporization. Any perceived CNS effects observed from doing so are placebo.

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Provided relevant and significant information useful to the OP and readerz. Thanks and please, keep doing so!

[klonopinz]

Originally Posted by radiometer

Cocaine HCl molecules are destroyed at the temperatures required for vaporization. Any perceived CNS effects observed from doing so are placebo.

Swim thanks you for mentioning this.

Klonopinz wonders and then tells his cat:
..."
That's a good post. I wonder where would he get this kind of specific information; not the source of the information mentioned, but just the source or sources he uses to obtain specific chemical and physical properties of substances generally discussed in DF. I generally just use google to find specifics, but I still can't find a single broad source of legitimate information.
"...

Both my cat and Swim would greatly appreciate you sharing this sources.

[superdupernaut]

Swims often fantasized about bathing in a solution of drugs. Obviously one would have to be willing waste a large amount. But Ill bet if it was a concentrated enough solution swim could fucked up (just make sure not to doze off in the tub). Swim would like to experience this one day...

[klonopinz]

Originally Posted by superdupernaut

Swims often fantasized about bathing in a solution of drugs. Obviously one would have to be willing waste a large amount. But Ill bet if it was a concentrated enough solution swim could fucked up (just make sure not to doze off in the tub). Swim would like to experience this one day...

It's not about the concentration, but whether it has the right properties to be taken through the desired route.

Take fentanyl, for instance. Y could be submerse in hours in tons of Artiq liquefied lollipops and nothing other than wanting to take a shower will be felt. Likewise, Y could eat 10 duragesic patches contents, and just be thirsty and slightly drunk due to the inert alcohol gel he ingested.

[superdupernaut]

Originally Posted by klonopinz

It's not about the concentration, but whether it has the right properties to be taken through the desired route.

Take fentanyl, for instance. Y could be submerse in hours in tons of Artiq liquefied lollipops and nothing other than wanting to take a shower will be felt. Likewise, Y could eat 10 duragesic patches contents, and just be thirsty and slightly drunk due to the inert alcohol gel he ingested.

It is true that the drugs properties will make a difference, but concentration is also a big factor. I'm pretty sure your wrong about the fentanyl though, I know for a fact that eating duragesics is effective (not the most effective mind you). Not familiar with the lollipops, but I imagine if it works in a patch, the lollipops could be absorbed transdermally as well. Some sort of special solvent, or skin abraser could greatly facilitate this.

[Benga]

Originally Posted by klonopinz

Swim thanks you for mentioning this.

Klonopinz wonders and then tells his cat:
..."
That's a good post. I wonder where would he get this kind of specific information; not the source of the information mentioned, but just the source or sources he uses to obtain specific chemical and physical properties of substances generally discussed in DF. I generally just use google to find specifics, but I still can't find a single broad source of legitimate information.
"...

Both my cat and Swim would greatly appreciate you sharing this sources.

It's not so much the source which is important in this question, than the question of cocaine HCl's actual melting point. This swiyou can find easily.

Cocaine Hydrochloride - breaks down and "releases the coke" at very nearly the same temperature that destroys Cocaine (almost 200 centigrade) - which is why smoking HCL is definitely a waste.
Crack / freebase has a much lower melting/smoking point - less than 100 centigrade so that it vapourizes well before it reaches the temperature that destroys it.
that said, if one is lucky, a minimal amount might make it through before being destroyed by heat in a HCl smoking contraption, but this is really wasteful. And not recommended, due to the general impurity of street quality cocaine.

an "in between" approach, which is definetly more effective, is freebasing a tiny amount of cocaine on tinfoil using baking soda and water, also wasteful compared to cooking up crack or actual ammonia freebase, but uncomparable to smoking cocaine HCl. There is a thread on the subject of "foilies", just read it ( browse the cocaine forum using the thread prefix "smoking", swiyou'll see it)

Really, reading the existing threads on a subject is a good starting point to help locate info. Once one knows what to look for sources are easier to find.
here's the thread on smoking cocaine HCl, "coolies"

http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=7095

and could we please steer away from fentanyl patches, thanks


b

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does his job

[klonopinz]

"It's not so much the source which is important in this question, than the question of cocaine HCl's actual melting point. This swiyou can find easily."

Swim respecfully disagrees. He believes that there are no dumb question, but dumb answers. He's sorry for NSTF, and like he said, he didn't ask about THIS particular fact, since its commonly quoted everywhere, he just thought Swiy could shortly post general sources, since THIS post, not that one of smoking in particular, would be the ones most look by inexperienced swims looking for some experienced fun and might be under the most danger.

"Cocaine Hydrochloride - breaks down and "releases the coke" at very nearly the same temperature that destroys Cocaine (almost 200 centigrade) - which is why smoking HCL is definitely a waste."

Swiy is assuming that whatever Swim's smoked out of received a consisted supply of energy thoroughly and equally, which is not the way sublimation occurs when smoking cigarettes. If smoked in cigarretes, like stated by the OP, he will actually be exposing cocaine HCl molecules to heat that is NOT consistent, since various parts of the drug get different rates of degrees, ranging from room temperature tabacco sprinkled mass near the filter, to a burning tip, roughtly around 400C and the inside burning ring at 500C that raises to 700C when dragging. Swiy only kills the part which is the source of energy (the tip) which has no chance to experience a change of temperature rate, *Swim advices, that if smoked (don't btw) to not sprinkle this part*. The rest of the drug along the ciggarrete will recieve different and incosistent, but steadily increasingly rates of heat as you drag and move the source of heat closer. Note that as it moves, it just burns through HCI molecules that where mostly activated earlier, when the cherry was at a far enough distance to just provide 200C or so.

"Crack / freebase has a much lower melting/smoking point - less than 100 centigrade so that it vapourizes well before it reaches the temperature that destroys it.
that said, if one is lucky, a minimal amount might make it through before being destroyed by heat in a HCl smoking contraption, but this is really wasteful. And not recommended, due to the general impurity of street quality cocaine."

Crack/freebase probably allows for a better sublimation because of a higher threshold for molecular activity,. This is what most people don't realize, get lost and just. That although both methods are inhalation through sublimation, HCL and crack/freebase will actually use different methods of action after entering the system, and will be affected in different ways, thus producing different effects, different bioavailability, and the rest is for Swim to know and for Swiy to find out.

Not much has been studied abouts cocaine's methods of action spamming all states of all known forms across all administration routes.

"an "in between" approach, which is definetly more effective, is freebasing a tiny amount of cocaine on tinfoil using baking soda and water, also wasteful compared to cooking up crack or actual ammonia freebase, but uncomparable to smoking cocaine HCl. There is a thread on the subject of "foilies", just read it ( browse the cocaine forum using the thread prefix "smoking", swiyou'll see it)"

Thanks for sharing this!

"Really, reading the existing threads on a subject is a good starting point to help locate info. Once one knows what to look for sources are easier to find."

Yes, the problem is Swim does not consider .com sites as a suitable source of trusthworthy and reliable data, specially if those sites don't mention their sources; also it has been discreetly implied by the medical community that very little is known about their intake routes other than those used by the medical community and that it won't be studied nor informed about (WHA did for instance). And only then SOME of the effects are known.

"here's the thread on smoking cocaine HCl, "coolies"

http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=7095 "

This particular thread has not one source of any pharmacological accredited source, deemed respectable enough to have the tools and knowledge to actually provide the information needed for users seeking all possible routes of intake. Mostly, its users perceptions and (at most) educated opinions, which might still be useful for persons reading this post though. An opinions are just as important as a facts, if one doesn't forget their place and time.

"and could we please steer away from fentanyl patches, thanks"

Swim wouldn't mind at all, and this would effectively be his last post mentioning a fentanyl patch, but can swiy let swim know why, if possible? It doesn't seem to be against the rules of the forum, but a Moderator request is enough for Swim to comply.

[Benga]

the word used was not "dumb" but "important" -- your question is perfectly legitimate, and the word important was used to point out that the question should perhaps focus on this aspect, in one's quest for sources.
maybe i misread your post, but i understood that you were asking for studies backing Radiometer's comment, and i trying to point this request in a particular direction- it is not my specific "role" here to post sources and do the research.
your answer further develops on the heat conduction related mechanics involved in smoking and vaporization of cocaine HCl, which is great, and i can only urge you to further develop and share your knowledge ( and sources) on this subject as you have already started.
Please do develop, and, if i may suggest, a new thread focusing on cocaine bioavailabilty in regards to administration routes ( rather than a sharing of experiences with the said aministration routes, which is the subject of this thread).
The subject of impurities in crack and freebase is also very much welcome. There are a couple of threads freebase purification in there that swiyou can probably add to. if and when you feel sources are lacking to back up claims, you can actually develop your vision on why this is the case or not, and actually quote / share / give references to contradictory studies yourself.

you're absolutely right on quoting sources. you're also right, most threads do not contain attached bibliographical references. yet this is a discussion board, not a place were scientific articles are written, and the freeflowing discussion implies that a lot of things said are based on collectively "validated" or debated empirical knowledge- and if people are not using sidenotes or bibliographies, it is also not that uncommon for people here to refer to existing studies when and if deemed necessary. And to share the sources here or in the file archive. it's an equilibrium.

since the subject of cocaine administration routes strikes your interest, and you feel that things need to be clarified or justified, please do share your knowledge and sources on the subject, especially if you feel that the efficiency of smoking cocaine HCl powder is misunderstood, and that statements such as Radiometer's need further backing by scientific litterature / studies.
We also have a wiki, file archive here that loves input.

yet reading the existing material on this .com site is a prerogative - all the better to fortify the knowledge base or debunk inaccuracies.....people are indeed required to read existing material, and to post in appropriate threads / sections- and open a new thread if this is necessary. Source quoting is very appreciated, as is the addition of said sources to the file archive for all to have access to, yet it is not an absolute requirement for discussion. it's a participative effort where people try to be constructive and also helpful, which is already a lot.
fentanyl patches should be discussed in the opiates and opioids section of the forum. This is the forum dedicated to discussions on cocaine related material. it's a question of organizing the discussions and subjects.

hope this helps.

b

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[klonopinz]

Swiy seems to have misread, but klonopinz doesn't mind... he asked:

..."not the source of the information mentioned, but just the source or sources he uses to obtain specific chemical and physical properties of substances generally discussed in DF"...

he now adds:

..." d-f forum has probably the most combined information regarding drugs around the internet. If not, it's getting there. When referring to .com sites, I was actually criticizing the sources in the threads your linked.

Also, I respect anyone's right to say anything. Furthermore, I encourage the right to disagree, but if you do, it should be done so adequately, so that the other person can really understand where you come from. I would never tell someone to believe the exact of what they do without providing justification, and even still, will allow room for his idea if strongly believed in.

Intaking a drug involves the very complex process of consciously taking something you either have experience earlier and have an idea of what to fell, or a new thing you must try (and may or may not know others experiences), see what it does and remembering for next time.

Maybe a particular method, at a particular time, didn't worked and since then every time you try it it doesn't, since you have no doubt in your mind it won't work ever (but for you). Inversely, if you did something and it didn't work but you thought did, your mind might recreate the effects it expects, over and over. Kinda like women who think are pregnant will bloat and expand, really appearing to be pregnant, and may even lactate and the inverse, women (mostly obese) that don't see a belly developing dont realize they are pregnant until... their water breaks.

When judging others dosages, I always take this into consideration. Ultimately, my experiences are gather by my 5 sensors, and his experience will be gather by his. I don't want to restrain the experiences of other simply because of mine.

"...

[darkbreed]

It is not placebo. SWIM has tried this route countless times with good results, and had many others try it as well. The mouth and throat gets numbed from the smoke meaning it is active. The effects are noticed immediately and it can make a person pretty spun out if a lot is smoked.

This has been tested on people that did not know what was in the smoke, and similar effects were reported, thus eliminating placebo effect as most would have expected it to be a normal joint or such.

Where SWIM lives it is pretty common to use this route. SWIM do agree that probably a lot of the cocaine hcl is destroyed during this route, but enough gets through to give good effects, no doubt about that in SWIMS experiences.

Originally Posted by radiometer

Cocaine HCl molecules are destroyed at the temperatures required for vaporization. Any perceived CNS effects observed from doing so are placebo.

[klonopinz]

Well the marked effects on you mention, numbing of mouth and lips, is a common effect of a common impurity added to cocaine, which is much cheaper and replicates the effects expected by users. Hope Swiy cleaned his product.

Klonopinz would really love to own a chromatograph. That would be the one tool that would allowed for unbiased and truly non-placebo like effect reporting, since you could measure, for example, how much of the metabilite resulting from the liver interaction was excreted, knowing if indeed, the Cocaine made it through the intended administration route, and so forth... but yeah, I'm dreamin .

[darkbreed]

Well SWIM agrees it is possible that the cut play an role in the effects. SWIM would not know what substance it would been cut with to give these effects though, perhaps other swimmers do? It is probably not healthy in the long term smoking it like that, but SWIM do enjoy the effects and they are there, placebo or cut or whatever it is, and it feels like one of the most powerful routes of administration to him.

However, SWIM think the most useful/potent way of administration is the rectal route. SWIM thinks this route would be the next to IV, though SWIM never tried IV cocaine but of all the ways he has tested it is the most powerful giving best effects.

SWIM did not clean his product and probably should, though he is a bit afraid to lose a lot of his stuff or screw up something. But he suppose he could do it on a small batch first just to test and see. In his area the products tends to be of pretty clean quality though as it is where it is produced before distributed around the world and cut by others during the process of distribution. He do live in a place where it is legal to grow, possess and consume coca (the plant, obviously not cocaine).

For some reason SWIM tends to enjoy the raw plant material more than the extracted cocaine. He suspects there are other alkaloids in the plant that plays a role there, and in his experience the plant in form of leafs gives a more potent and longer lasting effect that is also more euphoric, when taken and prepared properly with a base.

On a sidenote, what is the reason cocaine is not very useable in freebase form considering when consuming the plant freebasing is more or less a must for good effects?

[klonopinz]

klonopinz emailed swiy this:
..."
Most common adulterants can be found here. In your case, I think the adulterant was most likely Procaine.

In regards to finding a place to live where coca is available and legal, try Colombia, where small quantities are legal to possess and consume (of cocaine, not coca) and it's grown around the country to supply the national (and worldwide) demand.

I, too, enjoy the most the natural form in which it was found or extracted from. (with all drugs actually)

Now he only hopes some other Swiy can answer your last question.

"...

[radiometer]

k-pins, Im not clear on your point regarding sources. Are you calling me out for not listing a reference? One can type the words "cociane boiling point" into google and get dozens upon dozens of reliable references to back up my post.

I did not include a reference because I thought it was rather common knowledge, and because it is a fact so easily verified for one's self.

[klonopinz]

Originally Posted by radiometer

k-pins, Im not clear on your point regarding sources. Are you calling me out for not listing a reference? One can type the words "cociane boiling point" into google and get dozens upon dozens of reliable references to back up my post.

I did not include a reference because I thought it was rather common knowledge, and because it is a fact so easily verified for one's self.

Klonopinz apologetically wrote earlier elsewhere:
..." RadioMeter, no, not at all. Why would you think that?

The reason why I couldn't answer that question is because I don't have hands on experience with Coca plant preparations, and my input wouldn't be prudent.

About the sources, what I said to Swiy, and for fellow knowledgeable readers in general:

"That's a good post. I wonder where would he get this kind of specific information; not the source of the information mentioned, but just the source or sources he uses to obtain specific chemical and physical properties of substances generally discussed in DF. I generally just use google to find specifics, but I still can't find a single broad source of legitimate information.

I meant like, (more direct i guess) I heavily rely on medical journals submissions like http://jcem.endojournals.org/, and tons more. But the data (pharma - cological/cokinetical) is spread around hundreds of journals, and thousands of published trials and studies on most drugs to get important facts about each drug, and find out key facts about drugs I want to intake.

I am new to the forums, and haven't read through archives or relevant posts, but maybe you guys knew some source/s that have already recorded and provides this data for most drugs we usually talk about, for the user to quickly check known facts to help understand all possible routs of administration.
Sorry for the misunderstanding.
"...

[radiometer]

Ah, I see. Your verbosity obscured your question a bit, I'm afraid. I am not aware of any such "one-stop" information source, at least a reliable one. This sort of information is aggregated in some places, wikipedia comes to mind, that are somewhat useful but whose data must be cross-checked with other sources.

[superdupernaut]

Originally Posted by Benga

fentanyl patches should be discussed in the opiates and opioids section of the forum. This is the forum dedicated to discussions on cocaine related material. it's a question of organizing the discussions and subjects.

hope this helps.

b

True, but ~5 lines of fentanyl talk (mainly used as an example to speak of the tread topic 'different routs of adminitstration') is a minor digression.

I say that long winded talks of source siting, common knowledge, and UTFSE belong in a different forum, perhaps the "about drugs-forum" forum.