Effects - Oxy/Hydrocodone potentiated by Tramadol?

[Herbal Healer 019]

Has any1 used tramadol as a hydro/oxycodone potentiator?

Or would the tramadol's SSRI effect counteract the hydro/oxycodone?

Any personal experiences?

[fiveleggedrat]

Yes.

No...Swim finds the SSRI/SNRI component to create a very strong nausea, unable to rid of with antiemetics. Much worse than opioid nausea.

Swim has mixed tramadol with every opioid he has ever done. Hydrocodone, heroin, hydromorphone, etc. Swim has extensive tramadol experience.

It depends on tolerance. It one can get good effects from tramadol without anything else: probably a good mix.

If not able to use tramadol on it's own: probably won't even make a dent on the high, other than the nasty SSRI/SNRI parts.

[Herbal Healer 019]

SWIM took 7.5mg oxycodone & 10.25mg hydrocodone + 100mg tramadol & 50mg butalbital & felt the opiate high come on strong at 1st with only the hydro & oxy having been taken, but as the tram was added into the mix it had more of a speed like high with less analgesia being noticable yet present. SWIM personally likes to exclude the trams except with buprenorphine, which goes well with tram.

Has SWIy snorted tramadol? SWIM has seen with insufflation a more rapid peak but is not sure if bioavailability is really greatly affected. Also probably because of the HCL, tramadol really burns the back of the throat and under the tongue.

Does redosing with 5 more mg hydrocodone & 10mg oxycodone cause a less noticable high when opiates are already present in the system from 5 or so hours b4?

Ju'st for an idea of SWIMs tolerance, he ussually takes opiates 3 times a week, which lately has consisted of poppies (morphine, codeine, etc..), hydrocodone (once), oxycodone ""), tramadol, buprenorphine (twice in 1 day ttl ~1.5mg), & kratom (once). Where would SWIMs tolerance be at this point? SWIM assumes it to be minimal as the highs are seperated between ussually 2 days.

[fiveleggedrat]

How in the motherfuck is Swiy taking those small doses that often and still getting something?

Swim could shoot 3x that and not even feel it, and he has not used in...month or two?

The bio goes out the window with snorted tramadol. It's by far, by far, an oral drug. Some converts into O-desmethyl-tramadol in the body, which is like 200x more potent than tramadol. It's also much more euphoric. Swiy should defintely be eating the tramadol

Swiy has no tolerance according to those doses. Those are like an opiate naive person's, like a complete non-user.

Shit, back in the day that dose still would have been minimal effects on swim.

I believe yes, the high would be weaker the second time; Swim would not use more than 2 times a week, and separate them.

[Herbal Healer 019]

2 weeks between uses? not gonna happen, SWIM jus recently got a good connect 4 hydrocodones & will soon get wisdom teeth removed (more opiates) & still has ~34 doses worth of buprenorphine, .5mg each, (extremely strong, kicks hydro & oxy's ass, at SWIMs doses of hydro/oxy)& a shit load of pods (extremely strong & long lasting, shitty halflife). SWIM assumes continuing at this pace will inebidably lead to tolerance, but SWIM is finding opiates more appealing than cannabis, especially in social situations.

SWIM notices a not so intense yet present high from these low doses (5, 7.5, 10, 15) probably just because of his weight 145lbs (?) but hes def. not complainin wit that. GFJ works well to potentiate the low doses.

The only shitty thing about hydrocodone & oxycodone is their short duration which causes cravings to re dose; this is not present with tramadol, buprenorphine, & poppy pods thus have less addiction potential than hydros and oxys in SWIMs eyes

[helikophis]

Originally Posted by fiveleggedrat

How in the motherfuck is Swiy taking those small doses that often and still getting something?

Swim could shoot 3x that and not even feel it, and he has not used in...month or two?

The bio goes out the window with snorted tramadol. It's by far, by far, an oral drug. Some converts into O-desmethyl-tramadol in the body, which is like 200x more potent than tramadol. It's also much more euphoric. Swiy should defintely be eating the tramadol

Swiy has no tolerance according to those doses. Those are like an opiate naive person's, like a complete non-user.

Shit, back in the day that dose still would have been minimal effects on swim.

I believe yes, the high would be weaker the second time; Swim would not use more than 2 times a week, and separate them.

Well notice that they were spaced two days apart. A bird told me that as long as you are not re-dosing, and allow the aftereffects/hangover to completely dissipate, it takes a lot longer to build up tolerance. Works especially well if you only do it for a month or so, and then take a month off.

As long as you don't re-dose as you come down, the tolerance and the addiction potential go way down. Just takes a little willpower.

The bird isn't a needle user though, which seems to be worth a lot.

[klonopinz]

Originally Posted by Herbal Healer 019

SWIM took 7.5mg oxycodone & 10.25mg hydrocodone + 100mg tramadol & 50mg butalbital

Ju'st for an idea of SWIMs tolerance, he ussually takes opiates 3 times a week, which lately has consisted of poppies (morphine, codeine, etc..), hydrocodone (once), oxycodone ""), tramadol, buprenorphine (twice in 1 day ttl ~1.5mg), & kratom (once). Where would SWIMs tolerance be at this point? SWIM assumes it to be minimal as the highs are seperated between ussually 2 days.

Swim does something similar, although waits more than 2 days (usually 4). Swiy dosing is very low, almost the therapeutic dosage given to non recreation users, a.k.a. patients.

Swim opinion is that swiy shouldn't intake so many chemicals at the same time, and instead slightly increase the dosing of each individually and experience their respective effects. Swim suggests maybe trying 25mg oxycodone (insufflated) over 8 hours (start with two 2.5mg lines in a 1-2 hour period, then 5mg redoses after 1-2 hour, at most.). If Swim gets nausea, he takes 1mg or 2mg of any benzodiazepine (guess which I like :P). After that, he should do like swiy bird friend said and tamper down every drug intake he ingests. Whenever coming down is desired, Swim usually proceeds to ingest anywhere from 10-20mg, in opposite chronological order of what he took earlier.

One good thing about this is that if swiy does this with different types consistently and individually, the chance of habit and tolerance formation to each opiate is greatly decreased since swiy would use just one substance, every 4 day, every time X amounts of doses, X being all the drugs available to individually dose out of. Like swiy said, it takes some will, but it's possible.

Swim has experienced that mixing tramadol with any opioid ain't as noticeable and pleasurable as just tramadol (125mg or so, for a non tolerant user) by itself, hence its just a waste. Swim is like swiy though, and takes minimal doses and never build up tolerance, and what swiys bird told him seems to work for swim too.

Tramadol had the particular problem that its threshold of therapeutic to recreational can easily come close to that of its siezure causing effect (lowers siezure threshold) if some tolerance is developed. Since insufflation is not possible, ingestion is the most common intake method. Max daily dose should not exceed 400mg, individual doses not exceeding 200mg (all this assuming patient is tolerant; starting doses are at 37.5mg 4 times daily, and this are to achieve therapeutic, not recreational level.) Tramadol tolerant swims, in an effort to fell the desired effects, might, with time, increase dosages and exceed the .4g limit. Seizures have been reported with as little as .6g intake, and are usually seen at .8g doses. Also, tramadol is known to interact with other medications, activating their seizure causing effects and further lowering ones seizure threshold.

Swim normally uses tramadol the day after he doses, in therapeutic doses, to help with any lingering effects, and transition from a narcotic high, back to swims routine life.