Overdose - Worried about friend. Need info to convince him.

[doppey]

My friend has used all kinds of drugs and gone overboard quite often in his life. 20 e's in a night etc. Back then he never used cocaine or drank on the ecstasy. Lately hes been partyin hard cause hes been depressed.

Heres what hes used in the past few days.

saturday club: 3 yellow laides, one pink superman, 10+drinks , 5 large lines of coke (.2g each)

sunday: cocaine and beer

monday one yellow lady 3 red dolphin no coke, beer

tuesday, 5 e's 2 grams coke, 10+ beers

I think he should go to the hospital and I know thats conna be your advice but i need some opinions on here so i can bring him on and show him what others say. Preferable some mroe advanced people with some detailed knowledge about the barin and the mixing of cocaine ecstasy and alcohol.

He says his tongue keeps going off to one side of his mouth, hes had speech problems, at some point last night (tuesday) his vision went black for 10 minutes. Hes gone pretty hard at just about everything but this time he may have pushed it too far.

Hes also been using ecstasy alot in the past couple months with an average of 5-10 pills per use (not every day)

What i really wanna know is there any way that what hes done could still be damaging him (he ate his last e and did his last line at about 2 this monring, its 2pm now.

Like is this the kinda thing where the damage will keep ahppening for a bit and could a hospital really do anything for him?

Sorry for the long message im really high and obviously concerned for my friends safely.

Thanks,
J

[fiveleggedrat]

That is most certainly serious overkill, and partying that hard, won't live too long. The numbers are pretty obscene, as are the combinations. He does not sound like the type of person that would respect the whole "One drug at a time, once a week" type thing, that would provide the optimum use/enjoyment and safety.

When he combines the wrong pill with coke/alcohol, he won't live long either. Too many dirty pills out there.

Cocaine and alcohol is dangerous enough; look up cocaethylene; the combination is not a safe one. Adding MDMA or even unknown stimulants (amphetamines, piperazines, etc) or a DXM dirty pill? Ouch.

[RaverHippie]

Detox is the only safe/sane option a this point. Your friend needs psychological help for his depression because he has absolutely no regard for his body, and the compound substance abuse will leave a huge impact mainly because of the E abuse. He's furthering his depression by mutilating his serotonin system, which will only lead to more poly-substance abuse. He's also putting immense strain on his heart and your friend better be thankful if heart problems don't run in his family.

Plain and simple, he isn't fit to take care of himself. Someone ought to admit him into a psych ward.

[JarvyJarvison]

Someone ought to admit him into a psych ward.

I'm going to heartily recommend against this due to previous experiences in the psych ward. In my experience the psych ward only makes things worse. What your friend needs is lots of love and compassion from his friends and family. Take him on long walks, picnics, and that kind of feel-good thing. Show him that life can be good and escapism is not the way to happiness. Get him to go to a *regular* doctor or a walk-in clinic and explain his symptoms. More than likely the doctor will just tell him to get off the drugs. I'd only take him to the hospital if he has acute, life-threatening symptoms. Seriously, the psych ward is not a fun place to be and the drugs they'll give him may change him forever.

Just my two cents. Take it or leave it.

[fiveleggedrat]

He needs to be cut off from the drugs. Sobriety would help here. Having one's neurotransmitters all upside down and mixed up does not help resolve depression or other life issues. I also would agree on the issue that a psych ward is not a good idea, and should be last resort.

[RaverHippie]

yeah words got totally confused when I was typing the first time. Didn't mean a psych ward. Just meant psychological monitoring in like a therapeutic sense at an inpatient detox center.

[Blu_berrytoke]

Originally Posted by JarvyJarvison

I'm going to heartily recommend against this due to previous experiences in the psych ward. In my experience the psych ward only makes things worse. What your friend needs is lots of love and compassion from his friends and family. Take him on long walks, picnics, and that kind of feel-good thing. Show him that life can be good and escapism is not the way to happiness. Get him to go to a *regular* doctor or a walk-in clinic and explain his symptoms. More than likely the doctor will just tell him to get off the drugs. I'd only take him to the hospital if he has acute, life-threatening symptoms. Seriously, the psych ward is not a fun place to be and the drugs they'll give him may change him forever.

Just my two cents. Take it or leave it.

^^This is the post you want to listen to.
Psychwards DO NOT HELP ANYONE! They keep the truly mentally ill people looked after and such, but the psych ward makes depression worse if anything. Does swiyour friend have friends other than you? Without trying to sound too dramatic about it, let them know seriously that you all need to help him out a little. Swim has had a few friends go through similar experiences, and swim or one of his friends did this on each occasion, and all 4 of them are fine now... well, they ocassionaly go overboard, but hey, who doesn't like to go overboard every now and again?
And make sure you educate him on how bad serotonin dumping is.

And also, a period of sobriety for him to take a step back and look at everything from an objective point of view will probably be the most beneficial thing to do.

[analogger]

i can't help but second the point that psych wards only make things worse.

swiy think an ecstasy binge looks bad, wait till swiy's best friend is put on a cocktail of atypical antipsychotics, SSRIs, etc. @_@

simply put, swiy's friend's well-being would be far from the ward's top priority.

personally i think swiy's friend's best hope is a blunt talk from a friend and maybe therapy to help with what is depressing him. perhaps he could indulge in safe drugs like good ol weed.

[CrookedEye]

SWIM would suggest keeping him busy in healthier ways.. Find something besides hangin out at parties and clubs, that SWIY's friend enjoys, and try and keep him busy with those things, rather than drugs...

[MindNRA]

WOW !!! Is all I have to say. People like him is why drugs are illegal.

First, the quantities you mentioned are absolutely ridiculous. Beyond ridiculous is doing it 4 nights in a row. What even more beyond ridiculous is mixing drugs and what is EVEN MORE ridiculous is adding alcohol.

MDMA + alcohol = extreme dehydration and damage to the brain. I am sure he blacks out half the night taking those amounts of booze and MDMA.

Coke + alcohol = even freaking worse. Someone already mentioned cocaethylene below.

Add to the fact that most likely half of that wasn't even MDMA but random dangerous sh|t mixed with more random dangerous sh|t in ridiculous quantities.

If you will party like that, immediately cut out alcohol + drugs combo. Using MDMA + coke at this rate, he might last a year. Throw in alcohol, he won't last a month.

At this pace, he will die. End of story. And yes, something IS already damaged. His neurotransmitters are already f@cked.

[jbee]

Originally Posted by MindNRA

MDMA + alcohol = extreme dehydration and damage to the brain. I am sure he blacks out half the night taking those amounts of booze and MDMA.

Coke + alcohol = even freaking worse. Someone already mentioned cocaethylene below.

Throw in alcohol, he won't last a month.

But doesnt most people go out to bars get wasted and do these sort of drugs, i thought that was more common than going out on these drugs and drinking soft drinks?

[RaverHippie]

just because people do it, doesn't mean they know how much damage it does to their system.

[phatassone]

Remind him that he's "killing the magic" swim was in a similar situation, and it took a year of therapy to get past the depression triggered by massive pill use

[Boca Bitch]

Tell your friend that if he's looking to party and for a cure to his depression, the answer is acid. LSD (and other psychedelics with affinity for 5-HT) has serious antidepressant abilities, long-term too.

At the rate he's going your friend risks overdose at any minute. SWIM's been there... it's not fun.

[Joe-(5-HTP)]

Originally Posted by Boca Bitch

Tell your friend that if he's looking to party and for a cure to his depression, the answer is acid. LSD (and other psychedelics with affinity for 5-HT) has serious antidepressant abilities, long-term too.

Although it might seem amusing to you, this is extremely stupid advise. LSD can severely exacerbate mental/emotional problems. I've seen it happen.

LSD can be used to help people with problems but outside of the context of safe professional psychotherapy it would be very dangerous indeed.