Social - how long

[fatal]

How long does it take for a research chemical to become its own drug entity and drop the RC label? For example is 2C-B a RC or not? Its been quite some fucking time now hasnt it? In just about every white country in the world its illegal. LSD is no longer an RC. Nor Ecstasy. Look they have their own forums. How long does that take exactly? Food for thought.

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agood question

[tryptamaster]

swim thinks like, the main differnce is msot rc's are illegal upon creation due to the federal analogues act. swim doesnt really know.honestly hed coside rmost of the 2-c family non research chems since they are quite documented. well, at least relativly to other researc chemicals.

[fiveleggedrat]

When RC's start appearing in mainstream media, like TV, music, and movies, or when it experiences a surge in mainstream use? My thoughts.

[Psych0naut]

Originally Posted by tryptamaster

swim thinks like, the main differnce is msot rc's are illegal upon creation due to the federal analogues act. swim doesnt really know.honestly hed coside rmost of the 2-c family non research chems since they are quite documented. well, at least relativly to other researc chemicals.

No they are not. Maybe in just a couple of countries worldwide, but the large majority of Research Chemicals are legal, and the ones who have been recently created are always still legal untill they become mainstream, raise goverment and often media attention and become regulated and eventually often banned. Only 5 Research Chemicals are illegal in the Netherlands and one is somewhat regulated, but all the others are not regulated in any way. And same goes for our neigbouring countries, Germany and Belgium. Only one country in the whole of Europe has analogue laws, the UK(okey, it's not one country, but one united goverment).

[RaverHippie]

Well you don't have to call them that. You could call them by the more descriptive nomer of psychedelic phenethylamines. RC is a very useful term, since 2C-B and the like have always been so underground since their inception, there's never been proper medical procedures (AFAIK) to determine all the mechanisms of action, all the effects, possible interactions, etc. which lends itself the name research chemical. Because taking it is a form of research because it isn't entirely known how it's going to react.

This process of unknown circumstances is why there's a huge disclaimer in the research chemical wiki which I wish more people would take into consideration prior to engagement with an RC.

I don't look at the term research chemical as something that will eventually be obsolete, I see it as a foreboding warning like you would see in pharmaceutical research trials. It doesn't need to be changed, but as I started this post with, we can always use a more descriptive name which requires more education .

[fatal]

Originally Posted by RaverHippie

Well you don't have to call them that. You could call them by the more descriptive nomer of psychedelic phenethylamines. RC is a very useful term, since 2C-B and the like have always been so underground since their inception, there's never been proper medical procedures (AFAIK) to determine all the mechanisms of action, all the effects, possible interactions, etc. which lends itself the name research chemical. Because taking it is a form of research because it isn't entirely known how it's going to react.

This process of unknown circumstances is why there's a huge disclaimer in the research chemical wiki which I wish more people would take into consideration prior to engagement with an RC.

I don't look at the term research chemical as something that will eventually be obsolete, I see it as a foreboding warning like you would see in pharmaceutical research trials. It doesn't need to be changed, but as I started this post with, we can always use a more descriptive name which requires more education .

2C-B has been extensively researched by now. also alot of the chemicals that are being dubbed RCs now have already had papers written documenting their receptor activity. for the knowledgeable user there is little in these that is unknown. just being underground doesnt make the research done less real. the information is highly available. what im trying to say i think is that "psychedelic phenethylamine" is not a very good definition for RC. 2C-B is more mainstream than mescaline is nowadays and no one is calling mescaline an RC. hell even 2C-I is fairly common now and that isnt even scheduled in the USA... technically. 2C-B 2C-I 2C-E not so much RCs anymore. more moved into the dubious "designer drug" category with MDMA Foxy AMT AET 2C-T-7 etc. none of which i personally consider to be RCs.

[RaverHippie]

Originally Posted by KomodoMK

I thought there was still a lot of research to be done in the area regarding long term damage and/or neurotoxicity of said chemicals, including 2C-B.

I'll be under the same assumption until there are detailed reports on PUBMED and other medical journals detailing the long term effects, LD50's, reports on neurotoxicity, peak dosages, physical effects beyond the realm of recreational dosages, why some people have allergic reactions, signs of overdoses, etc.

Originally Posted by fatal

2C-B has been extensively researched by now. also alot of the chemicals that are being dubbed RCs now have already had papers written documenting their receptor activity. for the knowledgeable user there is little in these that is unknown. just being underground doesnt make the research done less real.

If it's so publicized, researched, and well-known then why am I still seeking the answers to such questions?

[Wierd Logic]

When the average person on the street knows what they are? Most people I talk to who don't do drugs have no knowledge at all of any 2Cs, but they know about MDMA and LSD...

[KomodoMK]

I thought there was still a lot of research to be done in the area regarding long term damage and/or neurotoxicity of said chemicals, including 2C-B.

Also, whilst they are still rarely used, I guess they technically are still research chemicals as the only people seeking them out are generally knowledgeable and doing so for research purposes.

[fatal]

the active areas of the brain relating to these chemicals and their action has been well established actually. if you cant find information about the 5ht2a receptors for example and its role in the activity of many psychedelics then you arent trying. responding like a smart ass wont help you learn anything either. the fact is that the information is available and every trip report that you read that actually happened is scientific data. so once again you cant find it if you dont fucking look.