Effects - No Visual Hallucinations?

[Sir_Geo]

SWIM has taken LSD a few times, each time SWIM has gone to different states of mental distortion in one way or another, but it tends to take at least two tabs for swim to get even slight visual distortions. SWIM has never seen the crazy things other people describe while on even lower does then what swim usually has to take for slight visuals. Whilst tripping last night, SWIM came to the conclusion that his eyes might be working against him seeing visuals.. Is this possible? If not could it be possible that SWIM just can't experience a heavy visual trip?

[T.D]

Try staring at a white wall or something with texture on it, i.e. a piece of wood. Zone out in your mind as if meditating and this usually increases visual effects a lot for SWIM while he is tripping.

[fiveleggedrat]

First thing Swim thinks: Is Swiy using actual LSD? Verify the substance being used is LSD with a test kit or something.

Swim knows ton of people who do "LSD". None of them have actually done anything thats even an ergot derivative; They all do RC's unknowingly, usually DOC or other DOx's. Swim verified this.

[T.D]

Originally Posted by fiveleggedrat

First thing Swim thinks: Is Swiy using actual LSD? Verify the substance being used is LSD with a test kit or something.

Swim knows ton of people who do "LSD". None of them have actually done anything thats even an ergot derivative; They all do RC's unknowingly, usually DOC or other DOx's. Swim verified this.

How did SWIY verify this exactly if you don't mind me asking?

[fiveleggedrat]

Let me rephrase: By "Verify" I mean more in an anecdotal way. As in, people with DOC and DOx experience ate said LSD and confirmed effects to match previous experience, as well as the fact that all people doing "LSD" had experience reports not even close to LSD, especially having very different visuals, mental effects, physical body load, and definately: duration.

Swim keeps samples of many things and plans to have them laboratory analyzed one day to verify his claims.

[Sir_Geo]

Well, SWIM didn't write up a trip report, though the duration was around 12ish hours, with a severe drop of mental effects at around 4am (SWIM dosed at 10 and redosed at 11:30) SWIM wrote in a notepad.doc and it he sent it to me to post here...


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I've figured it out.

If i don't trip often enough, i gain this terrible social phobia, of which things begin to feel surreal. With feelings of surreality I'll delve to gain greater knowlegde into the void meaning of a passing glance. Though more evedintley it seems as to only happen when people elude to things. Almost to the point where if someone eludes to something, it will ennevatablly lead to as loss of concept and bring thought of reality to an end. Thus creating a paradox.


A "trigger" that brings all thought to a halt.

Beautiful.


When you don't know who knows, then who does?

Because it surely can't be you.

Because saying you know, is saying that everything is finite. Everything is defineable. But it isn't. All a definiton is, is a ......














word.

A mere instant captured on the ti.p. o.f. a. word. Even speaking makes you limited. Your mind expands in all directions but cannot be definied in any imaginiable way. But thus it can, another paraxod..pox a-xopdox-a
you can play with the way that writes out so perfectly. endlessly.


Operative words. God. replace it with mind. The mind is god because the mind conceved the concept of god. For there to be a god, there must be a mind. But "god" is only the black hole of knowledge we lack. To hide behind a hole is not just meaningless, but stupid. Especially when you don't know what that hole is. "God" is everything we derive meaning from, and thus our minds are god. "God" - (a term to toss on the lack of knowledge) is

I've figured out what i've been trying to define... though there still isnt a word for it, maybe ill make one up later.

It's the moment you stop in thought, and realize your thinking. THen try to think again, then think outside of the thought that got you there

Cirular infinity. INFINITY.
Endless thought that's only start was the inital thinking. It is started by birth.


---snippet---
absolute relativity", which basically means everything is relative to itself and interconnected. This may seem paradoxical but, regarding the seeming apparent contradiction between the absoluteness of "all is relative", consider that the absolute can, in theory, only exist in whole (monism) only if everything within (relative to) that whole is relative to everything else (also relative to that whole)--"absolute relativity"
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i could see right before the infinity. it looked like a mass of paralel colours 6 or 7 i think, coming out of either a triangle or cirle. The division of one beam into many. Its so beautiful...


Its isn't fringe. It is what they are all afraid to admit but all know. The unknown of EVERYTHING. That everything they have all funded so much on depends on one constant. which there is only physical representation in the form of numbers. Because everything else, relates to cirular theory in one way or another.


0






neurons
nucleotides
dna
cells
organs
Basic plane - Human
home
plant
solar system
galaxy








*note these marks as the start of a ray*

and that could even go so far as to be a black hole. where they are so caught up in this loop that it's to the point where anywhere further doesnt matter. But the only peace of mind is knowing that






there is nothing to know

God is the line in the circle, for which there is no line, but only two lines cast beside each other. God is the gap in thought. That single spot, iggrurdless of how it is protrayed is the defining moment in oneself on if they are able to be self aware. Some will never understand, where as others do and have no way to explain what they know. Because they dont. Nobody every truly "KNOWS" persay, but only think they know...

All math is based off of the simple equasion 1+1=2 It is the simplest of concepts. But where there is 1 there has to have been 0 at some point. 1=1=2 and 1=1=0 but 0=0=0 the 0 never left, it was just expanded upon.

I've figured out passion for something.Or how one could have such undying passion for something... Unfortunatly, it seems my passion is finding "god" as defined earlier, to save myself from having to go through the mental pains of defining that which is undefinable.

Tonight was such a good idea.

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[Cryptic Concoction]

Originally Posted by Sir_Geo

SWIM has taken LSD a few times, each time SWIM has gone to different states of mental distortion in one way or another, but it tends to take at least two tabs for swim to get even slight visual distortions. SWIM has never seen the crazy things other people describe while on even lower does then what swim usually has to take for slight visuals. Whilst tripping last night, SWIM came to the conclusion that his eyes might be working against him seeing visuals.. Is this possible? If not could it be possible that SWIM just can't experience a heavy visual trip?

You do not see with your eyes; you see with your brain. The receptors on the retina of the eye offer a mechanism of transducing electromagnetic energy into electrical impulses. Vision is a construction of the mind, a translation of sensory information in the form of electromagnetic energy.

Unless SWIY has noticed deficits in his normal vision, the absence of changes in visual perception do not likely originate from retinal abnormalities. It seems likely to me that the difference spawns from areas of the central nervous system (besides the eyes, which many argue are an extension of the brain).

LSD does not exert its changes in visual perception through the eyes; its effects are (presumably) mediated through changes in the functioning of cells in other regions of the central nervous system.

Vision is the brain's interpretation of a sliver of the electromagnetic spectrum (what we call "light"). The photoreceptor cells of the retina serve as a means of interpreting this electromagnetic energy by converting it into changes of the membrane potential, which eventually alters the frequency at which ganglion cells that form the optic nerve transmit action potentials.

From my perspective, the "visuals" produced by LSD simply represent a dramatic change in perception. All drugs will affect different users in different ways because of variations of experience, physiology, organizational structure of the central nervous system, and so forth. SWIY is simply experiencing a difference in his reaction to a substance that produces widely varying subjective effects.

LSD generally seems to alter the manner in which an individual interprets the world around him. This configuration may be manifested in many different ways for different individuals.

Because the mechanism through which LSD mediates its alterations of sensory perception remains an enigma, I cannot definitively infer the reason behind SWIY's lack of "visuals."

[Silentscream]

Strangely swim has, since the very first time with lucy, noticed a considerable decrease in tolerance to its effects.
Now doses of less than 50mcg provide highly visual trips. This is sometimes a problem for swim, as larger doses can become too intense.

There was a point where swim could handle higher doses no problem, but now the smallest amount feels like it takes him way far out...