Effects - XTC never works for SWIM - so more experiments

[burgerman]

Over the past few years, swim has never had a hit from xtc, over several different sources over the years, even when they were legit for other people. Still, alkthough he thinks MDMA is all about pretending to be high, he is still optomistic that it will work sometime here is the next load of testing:

I am not on any ssri's or any medications

• taking 5htp daily for a week before dosing
• not getting drunk or stoned the entire week before dosing
• working out vigourously at the gym daily the week before dosing
• dosing on an empty stomach
• trying to avoid having expectations of the effect

I know setting an attitude are important... and swim has a safe enviroment

1. The gym workouts are to increase seratonin/dopamine levels
2. 5htp is for seratonin levels but swim hopes it wont mute the effects if swim does it this way - opinions?
3. not getting stoned or drunk just in case thats got something to do with not getting a hit
4. Trying to have no expectations instead of low expectations or high expetations will be difficult but do-able.
5. having a "less is more attitude" and not re-dosing with another pill if it doesn't work.

swim will be trying this in a week with a friend to compare the experience

[fiveleggedrat]

Legit for others mean nothing. I have watched people eat fake E pills and almost instantly start to "roll" or "feel it".

Tell Swiy to get a test kit and test everything before they eat it. Make sure it's MDMA, and know the dosage. Underdosing can cause one to not really "feel" it.

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[discodave]

In this thread a SWIM did stroll, and that SWIM heard the roar of a troll.

On the off-chance the OP is serious MDMA is a very real and powerful drug, it is every bit as powerful in effect as crack; although quite different. SWIY will not have to pretend anything when they take real MDMA.

[burgerman]

Originally Posted by discodave

In this thread a SWIM did stroll, and that SWIM heard the roar of a troll.

On the off-chance the OP is serious MDMA is a very real and powerful drug, it is every bit as powerful in effect as crack; although quite different. SWIY will not have to pretend anything when they take real MDMA.

Yeah when I say "pretending to get high" its just me showing my frustration with it. This kind of cynisim also comes from the numerous responses i get such as "if you don't think it will work then it wont", if you drink orange juice it wont work, if you dose after eating it wont work" which makes it one of the rare types of drugs that it wont work unless you think it will work. Its also the number one drug in which people are investigating all these ways of "enhancement" and getting it to work. I'd assume that people couldn't have themselves spiked with xtc, because if they didn't know about it, then they wouldn't have any effect! because all it takes is a simple thought "not feeling it" to totally kill the effect anyway.. Enough people have said that telling yourself "i cant feel it" means it wont work to know that there is some truth to it.

also i've only done one trollish thing on this board and that was snapping back at a poster who used the "do a search" line on me. If you look at my posting history over the years I'm saying two things - I go psycho when i stop the weed and xtc never works.

Apart from that I am still optomistic it will work. This is why i keep up with the experiments

[Swimster]

Hold it dude. It is inevitable that one feels the mdma. Even with weaker substances. lol, there is no placebo effect here buddy. hehehe.

It will make one as happy as he has ever felt.

Although alot are cut with speed, so, too bad if swiy wastes his money on them.

[CrookedEye]

If one gets good MDMA, it definitely works without one believing they'll feel it.. SWIM suspects the rolls SWIY is getting are either very weak or no good at all.. A tenth to a quarter gram of pure MDMA, is enough to get one without a tolerance seriously high, and there is no mistaking the feeling.. The reason some people talk about potentiation is because they used it many times and are not getting the same effects they got when they first started using it.. SWIM finds that moderate use doesn't produce this effect, meaning once a month or less... Sorry about the quality of ones product, but with good quality MDMA, Molly or real good pressed pills, there is no stopping the feeling and it doesn't take one expecting to feel it to make it work.

[burgerman]

Originally Posted by CrookedEye

If one gets good MDMA, it definitely works without one believing they'll feel it.. SWIM suspects the rolls SWIY is getting are either very weak or no good at all.. A tenth to a quarter gram of pure MDMA, is enough to get one without a tolerance seriously high, and there is no mistaking the feeling.. The reason some people talk about potentiation is because they used it many times and are not getting the same effects they got when they first started using it.. SWIM finds that moderate use doesn't produce this effect, meaning once a month or less... Sorry about the quality of ones product, but with good quality MDMA, Molly or real good pressed pills, there is no stopping the feeling and it doesn't take one expecting to feel it to make it work.

Thanks, this is good news for swim, will let them know

[thealmassi1]

SWIM has only done MDMA twice and can tell you that there is no placebo. SWIM definitely feels an obvious feeling of euphoria rushing throughout his body.

The first time he did it, he felt minor effects and was really disappointed. He had no clue what the hype was about the drug and had no respect for it. He took 5 capsules the second time (he took 3 the first time) and had a pretty cynical expectations before the roll, but ended having such intense euphoria, he had to regulate his breathing at times because the rush was so great. This was nearly pure MDMA, not meth or any other impurities.

I can only suggest to lay off the 5-HTP before hand and only do it after the roll. This is a just a a gut feeling and may have absolutely no effect on the MDMA experience. Just a thought.

Other than that, good luck finding a legitimate pill and actually feeling it.

Edit: Yeah, I just read about 5-HTP. Did not know much more than it was used as an anti-depressant before I read wikipedia. Anyways, it makes sense to place the reason behind SWIY's failure with xtc with the intake of so much 5-HTP before the roll. Why mess with SWIY's serotonin receptors before taking a drug that greatly affects that chemical. Kyle is completely right and logical. Just lay off of it.

[KyleM]

Burgerman, has SWIY had any luck with other amphetamine-type drugs? Do not take 5-HTP if SWIY has never successfully rolled before, that may be causing an extreme downregulation of serotonin receptors. If SWIY has not rolled before, low serotonin is definitely not the cause of MDMA not working. Quite possibly too much serotonin, resulting in too few receptors.

[burgerman]

The usage of 5HTP is only a new thing for me, previously I have never taken 5htp before or after trying to roll.

swim hasn't really tried ampetamine type drugs, only pot, lsd, mushrooms and he had good effects on all those.

I am amazed swim is still thinking its going to work somehow, someday, even though this must be the 5-10th "lot" they've tried.

I'm hoping all the exercise at the gym is going to help

[static_vodka_420]

swim regullarlly works out at the gym everyday and is prescribed adderall FOR everyday use to control ADD symptoms and has to say niether one of these in swims experince affects the mdma high at all

most likelly swiy never took a real mdma pill.. were the pills in question tested to swiys knolldge? swim thought " roll pills" had no effect on him until he one day acquired a test kit as paymnt for a painting job and found that most so called mdma in his area contained absolutely no detectable drug substances and the kit tested for a wide range therefore he thinks all the people he saw "rolling" off these pills were having a maxed out placebo to avoid facing the fact they just payed a substantial amount of money for absolutely nothing

only later upon frther exploration did swim find pills testing positive for mdma/mda and theyre was definatelly a noticable effect that cpuld not possiblly be mistaken ass placebo

perhaps swiys compatriots have never heard of the placbo effect and were not suspicious of it resulting in a "high" brought on purelly by will power and denial?

also swiy may want to cut out the 5-htp sence it effects serotonin levels .. just a though

-ODSG-

[KyleM]

Originally Posted by burgerman

The usage of 5HTP is only a new thing for me, previously I have never taken 5htp before or after trying to roll.

swim hasn't really tried ampetamine type drugs, only pot, lsd, mushrooms and he had good effects on all those.

I am amazed swim is still thinking its going to work somehow, someday, even though this must be the 5-10th "lot" they've tried.

I'm hoping all the exercise at the gym is going to help

Pot, LSD, and mushrooms are drugs in which it is the drug itself binding to receptors on neurons, causing desired effects. Amphetamine-type drugs rely on much more to cause effects. In MDMA's case, serotonin is the actual "drug" that that stimulates esired effects, so that entire system must be compatible with MDMA for it to work. SWIM has known more than one person, who can always get high on pot or shrooms, but meth or mdma, or similar do not work much if at all. SWIM doesn't recomend this, but SWIY can try sampling some amphetamine or methamphetamine and see if those work either. If they do, it's a serotonin system-related problem SWIY has.

SWIM's advice: Do not take any 5-HTP. Definitely use a test kit on pills top rule out bad pills being the cause. Try increasing the dose of MDMA (carefully). Some people have a much higher threshold dose of MDMA that allows them to experience any effects and this is not related to tolerance caused by usage. Ex: Just because your 200 lb friend rolls extremely hard off 1 pill does not mean you will, even if you are only 120 lbs and have never done it before, so you may need 1.5-2 to even feel anything (assuming standard dosage in pills obviously). Yes weight is a factor in normal cases, but MDMA is a unique drug. Also, try taking the pill in a way that better utilizes the MDMA (snorting, plugging). And if SWIY is very determined to experience MDMA, try some experiments, such as high-dose piracetam. There are other ones on the forum if SWIY looks, some have promising results.

[burgerman]

So swim and his friend did the tablets. Here's the result:

Swim and his friend only had that same old "very mild relaxation effect". Befgore this swims friend had never tried. It was to be interesting to crosscheck results. So it turned out to be the same for the both of us.
swim and friend swallowed 1 pill each


Didn't get a test kit because the testing store is online but shut down.


So anyway - swim was unsatisfied after an hour an decided to put a pill under his tongue to dissolve it, and this is the weird part.

The pills were poorly pressed and broke apart easily... but After 10 minutes of having the pill under his tongue and he took it out - only too see it had increased its size by a factor of 3 !!! also the pill became very rubbery and bloated.. it was like gelatin !

so i dont know what the fuck that was - it was a powdery pill when he put it in his mouth and became an oversized rubbery thing, which he reswallowed.

fuck i dont know. I would have thought a powerdery pill that crumbles (one other pill was crumbled to bits) would never turn into a solid clump of geleatin or whatever it was.