Inhaling - Easy Ether

[Meggy]

SWIY may know about the cheap easy way to make Ether.
SWIM can spray Prestone Premium Starter Fluid into a bag and then mix with water till the ether seperates from the starter fluid. cut the corner off the bottom of the bag and drain the ether into a bottle. SWIM has done it a few times and it definitely matches the fucked up ether trips from some of SWIM's friends.
Now what SWIM is wondering is how pure is this ether.

[Stephenwolf]

not very...from what i understand the water seperation method will not perfectly seperate the hydrocarbons (i think its hydrocarbons, w/e it is isn't a good idea to inhale) from the ether...this has been discussed before...

[fiveleggedrat]

Not pure at all, and I'd venture to say unsafe to "use" for anything.

[cra$h]

yea, this pops up every once in a while. the water extraction thing does work, but not good enough. But swim couldn't find to much on how to make ether pure, but didn't look very hard I guess.

[Waste]

SWIM doesn't understand why anyone would do this, pure dyithyl ether is quite cheap bought online, by the time swimmers have paid for the starter fluid, they could have just bought a bottle of 99.5%+ pure stuff

[geezaman]

Originally Posted by Waste

SWIM doesn't understand why anyone would do this, pure dyithyl ether is quite cheap bought online, by the time swimmers have paid for the starter fluid, they could have just bought a bottle of 99.5%+ pure stuff

SWIM wonders if SWIY is not thinking of something else, as diethyl ether is a listed substance, and so can be difficult to actually obtain even if relatively cheap. where as starter fluid is cheap, legal and easy to obtain.

Saying this SWIM would advise no one to attempt using starter fluid to make ether, for reasons this thread has already mentioned.

Peace
Geezaman

[gmeziscool2354]

yeah, erowid lists that "[Erowid Warning: The “water extraction” method is ineffective in separating diethyl ether from the volatile hydrocarbon liquids/gases in “starter fluid”. Our understanding of the literature is that there is no such thing as safe use of volatile hydrocarbon gases: their psychoactive effects are inseparable from nerve and organ damage"

so yeah, this is what the experts say. if SWIY is willing to takes these risks, go for it.

Diethylethers effects are really not that great, they are greatly exagerated in the movies. Swim's chemistry professor always said that diethyl ether effects are virtually undistinguishable from booze at low levels and the effects it provides taht are unique from EtOh are usually considered unplessant

[Pondlife]

IMO, ether's effects are not very similar to alcohol at all.

This thread has some Ether experience reports: http://www.drugs-forum.co.uk/forum/s...ead.php?t=7992

[cra$h]

I'm always hearing about poor extraction, but no one leads me to a place where a proper extraction can be done. Distillation seems like an option though. Swim'll keep looking, and help would be appriciated.

[gmeziscool2354]

well, it isn't that hard to get diethylether

swim knows for sure that he can order it onlne

but can't really tell anything else due to the forum rules

[Meggy]

alcohol is not even close to an ether trip. swim has done just about every drug known to man and ether has been the most fucked up trip. if one does ether for a few hours stuff gets pretty insane. one of my trips still messes with my head to this day.

[dazedandconfused44]

swim believes one can obtain ether by the following....

1. mason jar
2. starter fluid
3. water
4. eye dropper

procedure:

1. fill bottle half way with starter fluid and the other half with water.

2. place the lid on the mason jar and shake the shit out of it for a good 5 mins or so

3. draw off the top layer with the eye dropper and discard the water layer

4. store in sealed container

[Stephenwolf]

Bob, Your method is nearly identical to the OP's method, which has been stated as Inaffective at purification.

[radiometer]

I hope you guys realize that you're huffing heptane.

[Greenport]

Originally Posted by radiometer

I hope you guys realize that you're huffing heptane.

If it is distilled out one is not - heptane's boiling point is 60C higher than diethyl ether and thus can easily be separated via distillation. Also, heptane (unlike hexane and other alkanes) is pretty nontoxic (albeit huffing ether or heptane is generally not that good of an idea, but for purification purposes this could work.)

[radiometer]

^ Under discussion is the so-called-"water method," not distillation.

[geezaman]

SWIM is aware he is being lazy here, but perhaps someone with very good chemical and substance knowledge (better than SWIMs) could state or conjecture the other substances that would be left by the extremely crude extraction the methods in this thread would result in.

So far we seem to have heptane, but SWIgreenport has pointed out its boiling point is 60c higher and so can potentially be removed.

If anyone knows or takes the time to discover the other started fluid chemicals that would be left by the extraction, and can post them here, then at least those who will proceed with this extraction will know what other chemicals they are exposing themselves too... link that with a description of the harm caused by those chemicals and a few people may think twice and decide not to bother.

In addition to this some individuals may wish and be able to then take further steps of evaporation/condensation to further purify their extremely crude ether and reduce and harm they may suffer. (It would seem logical that the heptane at-least could be removed with a 60c difference in boiling temp existing between it and the ether).

This would seem to build a more conclusive reason as to why not to than "don't do it its badddd" or "i do it all the time its good" etc.

Lets raise this threads content quality to a respectable level!

Peace
Geezaman

[Pondlife]

If we assume starter fluid is a mixture of heptane and diethyl ether, then shaking it with water and discarding the water layer will do nothing to purify the ether or get rid of the heptane. In fact it will make things worse, because the water will dissolve some of the ether so you'll end up with less in the end product.

This is because heptane and other simple hydrocarbons are to all intents and purposes totally insoluble in water. But diethyl ether is slightly soluble in water. From Merck:

Ether is slightly sol in water ... A satd water soln contains 8.43% (w/w) of ether at 15° and 6.05% (w/w) at 25°

So the water will dissolve up to about 8% of its weight in ether. After shaking with water, you'll end up with a heptane/ether mix plus a water layer containing some dissolved ether.

I guess if you had enough water, you could dissolve all the ether in it and then extract the ether from the water, but the method described above does not seem to do this.

In summary, I've never understood this water extraction/purification process, and it sounds like bunk to me.

Moving onto distillation, this looks possible as the BP of ether is 35 C and heptane is around 100 C. The big issue is that ether is highly flammable, and the ignition temperature is only 170 C, so it's easily ignited by a hotplate. It's very dangerous to distill ether without special precautions: no flames or hot surfaces, heat using steam.

Another possible issue for distillation is heptane and ether may form an azeotrope, which would prevent total separation.

[gmeziscool2354]

yeah to do an efficient extraction one would need lab gear, ie a fractional distillation apparatus

[geezaman]

So From SWIMs understanding of SWIpondlifes recent post.

If some idiot were to pour a kettle of near to boiling water into a bowl and then put a a dish ontop with an ether heptane mix only the ether and not the heptane would evaporate? then if the idiot could provide a suitably cold surface above this the evaporating ether, then it (and in a normal environment perhaps water) would condense?

Perhaps ( based on info from this thread so far) "idiot" would be producing a cleaner extract than the "mix with water and shake" method, even if involving a bit more effort.

So what else is in starter fluid other than ether and heptane?

Peace
Geezaman