Effects - Length of Methadone effect.

[Meggy]

SWIM doesn't have any opiate tolerance right now. SWIM took 10mg of methadone last night and was pretty high. SWIM was going to take another 10mg tonight to get the same effect but was told by a friend that even 5mg would refresh the same high from last night, maybe even more. Is this true?

[fiveleggedrat]

Swiy should not be using day after day, unless Swiy wants tolerance/addiction, just for the sake of saying.

As for redosing, who could possibly know the halflife of methadone in Swiy's body? It's very, very different for everyone. 5mg might push one back to an earlier feeling. It may well do next to nothing. Swiy will have to experiment to find out.

[Meggy]

of course you could not know the halflife in SWIM's body, but SWIM would like to know a ballpark at least. 20 hours? 3 days? SWIM has also heard that smoking marijuana could refresh the methadone effect. SWIM isn't sure if he believes that.

[fiveleggedrat]

For methadone, I would give a range of 12-20 on average. For Swim, 20mg methadone lasted almost 72 hours.

As for pot, it might work. For Swim, mixing opioids and pot was always a bad combo. The pot overwhelmed and replaced the opioid feelings completely. Others love it. It's very personal when it comes to combos. It's a SAFE one too, unlike things like benzos + opioids.

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[Meggy]

that's interesting. 72 hour is way longer than SWIM would have thought.

[jon-q]

Methadone will have a build up effect in swiys body Due to it's long Half-life which can be between 4hrs-130 hrs the normal (mean) time is 22hrs.
So if swiyou had taken 10mg 24hrs ago and we use the "mean half life" swiyou will still have around 5mg in swiys system.However if swiy is searching for the same high as the previous night?then swim would say take the same amount 10mg(Yes swiy will have slightly more methadone in his/her system to begin with) but the tolerance level will also have increased (a little)
Swim would agree with swifiveleggedrat that methadone should be treated with caution with regards to addiction,this may only take a few days to develop and believe swim when he says that the withdrawls are truley horrific.
Latters.....q

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[fiveleggedrat]

Methadone leaves little room for error in things like dosage and when mixing with other drugs. Doing Homework on methadone beforehand is required.

[Meggy]

SWIM agrees the addiction can form very quickly. after a few days SWIM already has the craving at night. SWIM is going to take a break for a week or two

[MEKONE]

Originally Posted by jon-q

with regards to addiction,this may only take a few days to develop and believe swim when he says that the withdrawls are truley horrific.
Latters.....q

SWIM was on Methadone for about 2 years and SWIY-Q is right,Methadone W/D's are AWFUL,and VERY HARD even when switching to another op8.

[beena]

When SWIM went on methadone for heroin and opiate addiction she was getting dosed up every 24 hours. The dose wasn't enough to deal with w/d's to begin with but they were slow to increase her dose because they said it would build up in the body. SWIM didn't find that the methadone lasted for 24 hours to begin with but later on (when they adjusted the dose) it was better. A couple of times SWIM missed her dose and had really bad w/d's, despite the fact that the clinic said it should take 48 hours for them to really kick in once you're on the programme properly (ie been on methadone a while). The w/d's from methadone were worse than those from heroin. SWIM decided to stop methadone treatment and used morphine tablets to come off which worked but it took longer than w/d from heroin would've taken (about 2 weeks severe w/d's and 2 weeks mild w/d's). SWIM wouldn't reccommend methadone for recreational use.

[Meggy]

and SWIY would recommend what instead of methadone, heroin? the bible?

[beena]

Well, SWIM is back on heroin and prefers it to methadone. The euphoria is tenfold and the w/d's are worse in the short-term but they last half the time that methadone withdrawals last. SWIM is fortunate that she has access to morphine sulphate tablets and uses these on the days that she can't get heroin.
SWIM would recommend opiates in the tablet form such as morphine sulphate, oxycontin, DF118's, etc if SWIY could get access to them as they are going to be of good quality, and SWIM finds the w/d's are less that to the other stuff.
But if it was a choice between methadone and heroin then SWIM would go for heroin every time. SWIM doesn't inject heroin: she snorts it and sometimes smokes it. Just because methadone is a prescribed drug doesn't make it safer or better. The euphoria from methadone is not as good as from heroin, the w/d's are horrendous and they last longer than those from heroin. SWIM really can't think why anyone would pick it as a recreational drug. Sorry if it's not what SWI-Meggy wanted to hear but it's what SWIM thinks.

[Meggy]

SWIY seems to know what they're talking about.
thank you for the great info
SWIM is going to try to sell these and pick up some oxys

[jon-q]

Very wise choice swiyou has made~Methadone can be a helpfull opiod to some-But swim wouldn't recomend it to be used as a recreational drug of choice,
Take care and use safely.....q

[joshua666]

Well my friends dog use to love methadone,well he till doe,just haent done it in a while,even after doing methadone for a year straight everyday,his tolerance never got to high with this drug,mainly becaue it made him sick to his stomach in doses over 20mg,but 10mg at a time would make him feel better.
He hated snorting it also because of the wicked burn,but occasionliy he did snort because it hit you way harder and faster,also more prone to sick feeling...

[beena]

^ SWIM has only come across methadone in liquid form ... how did SWI-joshua666 snort it? I'm intrigued ....

[joshua666]

Well he has gotten liquid a couple times but around here but mostly he gets pills,either 40mg buiskets,5mg or 10mg tabs,these are way smaller...
Most people dont snort them because of the burn but somtimes he does and so do alot of other people around here...

[Junkhead23]

SWIM thinks meth tablets are more of a US thing

[jon-q]

Swim was scripted"Physeptone" methadone hcl tablets back in 1996-98,swim was origonaly started on 40mls of Methadone 1mg/ml liquid and every week he would return to the clinic telling them he was still having to use "H" to stop the withdrawls(Truth was he never even gave the meth a chance to work) when the doc at the clinic spoke to swim about how he felt after having his methadone which was now up to 120mls swim told him it just didn't seem to be having any effect on him,the doctor (who was a really nice guy) suggested we try "Physeptone" as this may be better suited to swims metabolism.
Hey presto 120mg p/day on a three day pick up system "$$$",after 2 months of this swim came clean with the clinic and explained how he had been using "H" all along and selling most of the methaone,of course this ended swims script and he has been unable to obtain a script ever scince.Honesty isn't always the best of ideas?
Prescribing Gp's will still allow some working or more trusted addicts to get physeptone as it is a bit more discrete-also tablets can be more manageable if swimmers are going abroad on holiday e.t.c .Many clinics don't prescribe tablets because of there increased black-market value(As they are snortable-injectable)
.....q

[fiveleggedrat]

Swim believes liquid to be rare in the South US, if not the entire US. Swim has never seen liquid, but seen pills often, 10mg and 40mg, but the 10mg were much more common.

[MEKONE]

Alot of times the liquid form is dispensed in Done clinics for addiction.Meth tablets are usually prescribed for PN. management.SWIM NEVER felt ANY euphoria from Meth. but although SWIM felt it had alot of side effects for him,it did help alot with PN relief.

[static_vodka_420]

Originally Posted by Meggy

SWIM doesn't have any opiate tolerance right now. SWIM took 10mg of methadone last night and was pretty high. SWIM was going to take another 10mg tonight to get the same effect but was told by a friend that even 5mg would refresh the same high from last night, maybe even more. Is this true?

swim says methadone withdrawals suck dont use i to long in a row because addiction is even worse

and to answer the question swim in his experience can still feel his normal dose of methadone up to 16 hours later if cannabis is being consumed and he hasnt used other opiates in a while...swims semi-tested method is smoke a blunt/bowl/joint whatever and if swiy feels the methadone feeling returning then there maybe still be some that hasnt yet been metabolized in swiys system so yes a lower redosage would be a well advised cautionary measure in swims eyes.. he never controls himself on this type of thing and while limiting his freqency will eat every single pill he gets in rapid sucession in search of a better euphoria.. swims still working on that aspect of self control

[idontknow5]

Ok, my first time on here so I hope I'm doing this right. Am looking for info on this topic. SWIM has been on methadone for aprx 2.5 years (so much for the "21 day quick detox" off opiate pills as promised at the clinic) Been trying to detox thru Primary for about 2 months was down to 20 mgs a day faithfully for about the first 6 weeks. decided didnt feel so great and was doing either 30-40 mgs per day. Now the script is gone- no more for 11 days. Last 2 doses were 30 mgs per day. SWIM has other various opiates to detox off the methadone, but has become terrified reading post that these might not help the w/d's? Also wondering what kind/amount/when? SWIM not looking for head feelings, just wants to prevent w/d's. SWIM wondering-should wait till feels w/d's or take before to prevent? Any ideas/experiences would help?

[jon-q]

Swiidontno5~Don't get to teriffied about the withdrawls,30mg of Methadone for a opioid tolerante person is a fairly low dose,Much will depend on the way swiyour body broke down methadone as to when the dreaded withdrawls will kick in and just how fast they will peak.Ball park between 24-30hrs swiy may start to feel sweaty,runny eyes e.t.c ~full blown withdrawls may not start for 48-72+hrs SO CALM DOWN.
Methadone withdrawls are similar to "Heroin" withdrawls but they last a hell of a lot longer.
Alternatives?~Depends on what swiyou has to hand?
If no opiates treat like a BAD cold-1000mg Paracetamol every 6hrs,Vitamin c 3 times recomended dose daily,Hot baths 2-3 times a day(relax in bath play music e.t.c) Imodium for the runs(use as and when required)
Opiates e.t.c~Codeine 160mg-250mg every 6hrs(Will help a little but check for paracetamol e.t.c .Look up CWE)
Swim is running out of time so folllow this link~http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opiate_comparison
Find what swiyou has and use the above Codeine dose for comparison.ALWAYS search and read up on which ever drug swiy picks.
Regards and good luck.....Q (sorry if there are any bad spelling/info errors this has been rushed-will edit later if needs be)

[Dickon]

idontknow5,

Other opiates will help with the w.d.s. I don't know if you're thinking about quitting or simply getting through the 11 days until (as I infer) you will be able to get some more methadone. There's a lot of information about quitting methadone in the recovery & addiction > opiate addiction section of this forum. My cat quit this stuff some 40 or so days back, after cutting down for 5 weeks or so from 225mg a day. It's doable (see "Screaming in the night air...." (in opiate addiction) for my cat's story) but it's not easy, even from 30mg a day it will be hard. I think the duration of use is likely to have as great a bearing on difficulty as the dose, but everyone is different (and individuals vary over time depending on motivation etc.) as to how bad a w.d. they can endure.

It's all good fun. It sounds flip, but it's a way better attitude than "poor me"!

Best of luck and let me reiterate a standard warning already spoken often : methadone is a bitch to quit.

Dickon