Blood loss helps withdrawals??

[dyingtomorrow]

Okay disclaimer: this is kind of going to be a fucked up thread, and don't try and bleed yourself like some medieval times shit.

SWIM is wondering if anyone else has seen or experienced this: that blood loss helps the withdrawals or makes them go entirely away. I've wanted to ask this for a long time but thought it might be too much even for this forum.

First story: SWIM was sick once and slashed his arms up with a razor and noticed it helped a lot. The annoyance of having a fucked up arm for a long time, and the burning in the shower kept SWIM from doing it again though.

Couple weeks later, SWIMs brother took some suboxone too soon after shooting up and went into full blown withdrawals. We're talking years of heavy IV use straight into full withdrawals. He was in unfathomable agony just writhing around in pain. SWIM found him later in a bath tub full of blood with slashed wrists, all peaceful and semi conscious. SWIM naturally called 9/11 and went with him to the hospital. He was totally fine, until they started healing him or whatever. Once they got him stable and OK he immediately went back into full withdrawals.

Anyone else seen anything like this?

Again, not recommending "bleeding" as a withdrawal cure.

[ScorpioSunshine]

I wonder if that could be related to the endorphin rush from cutting.

ScorpioSunshine added 3 Minutes and 46 Seconds later...

Ok, just found this interesting article. SWIM just skimmed it and am not sure how reliable it is, but here's the link:

http://www. myhealthsense. com/F030506_Cutting.html (remove the spaces)

It talks about cutting, but may give insight into the blood loss aspects.

[gmeziscool2354]

no offense to those parties involved but if this is true it seems quite ironic that blood donation can remove up to 1 pt of blood with virtually no complications, yet IV and IM users cannot donate blood (on the prequestionaire "have you ever injected drugs not under the supervision of a doctor?" is a question, and a the subject cannot donate blood if the answer is yes). this seems like a really sick topic to discuss tho.

The body functions as a number of chemical equilibriums fundtioning together as a chemical equilibria. any significant disruption to this equilibria is known to produce a number of equally signiifcant effects. Theoretically depleting the blood would be able to produce a significant nubmer of effects, and the effects the user in the op who was found in a bath tub of blood at peace may have not had anything to do with reducing withdrawls, but the significant effect that the blood loss had on his internal biochemistry to function properly.

definitly not adivisable to let blood at all with out sterile instruments and medical supervision

[teddybearpicnics]

swim thinks that wd's are as much mental as they are physical...when swim is sick he finds that if he hears one of his favorite songs, his wds go away for a few minutes, or if he gets involved in an intresting conversation it does the same thing...so if swiy enjoys cutting himself it may divert swiy's brain for awhile...as for curing the symptoms swim doubts it.

[Gappa]

SWIY would be doing the same almost by injesting some clonidene. Sounds like SWIY needs to find him one of those real kinky vampire type chicks to hang out wit from time to time. Swim know from doing refrigeration if you let out the freon from the high side or low side the overall driving pressures go down. Sounds like fun just vent off some blood. I saw some shit on the TV tube once upon a time about how these fuckers in africa will spike a cow in the jugular and drink its blood before going to stick fights with the neighboring "clan" and the little spike wound heals right up. Sick $hit there dyingtechnologies... SWIM's with ya.. SWIM would try it if he were hurtin bad enough... and he was there probably worse than SWIYs bro. HARD convulsions for hours on end in a precipitated withdrawl. Man that was fun.. But will pass on trying it any time again soon. SWIM wouldn't ever call the meds in unless he were flatlining. Was also remembering the times I used to bowhunt whitetail deer "don't hunt anymore very sad for SWIM to watch a large animal die" but when they are hit with a razor and loose blood they become in a "drunk" state very disoriented and will then sometimes just lie down. Loosing blood in a large enough volume will oxygen deprive the brain and this then takes us to the chemical state Ethyl Alcohol or even "whippits" has.
SWIM used to live with "some friends" back in VA and they would BEG SWIM for his "green drum" of refrigerant R-22 freon for the layreader. Anyway these IDIOTS would sit around in a circle and hit the gaseous form of the liquid off the top of the 30lb drum. I have been in rooms floodded with the gas and the effects can be almost nut-wrenching but SWIM was not so stupid as to partake, and would just watch them "key-hole out" on the floor talking jibberish. I am trying to paint a picture of how delerious one can become if your brain is deprived of oxygen.

Reputation Comments on this post:

off topic, not very coherent

[OhCasey]

Swim had an accident in a fight when he was young and lost a severe amount of blood and on the way to the hospital he went into in convulsions and blacked out but right before that he got really tired and kinda dizzy, like in the movies, and it was pretty much compareable to the best nod offs hes ever have. I dont suggest severing your brachial artery in your shoulder though. Theres easier ways to get a fix im sure.

[klonopinz]

klonopinz comments:

"In death-threatening trauma or environments, your body will automatically and instinctively will engage in a very complex series of process to try to maintain primary organs running vital functions and cut loose those we don't need (temporarily to permanently), and this in turn, permits all the other functions to restart, if needed, and another chance to repeat the process.

Understandably, you might not consider it to be an emergency, but your body knows that losing blood is not good, so it will deal with it accordingly if you don't. Maybe we shut down the pain sensing (aka conscious) since it's clear we need no more stimuli to further understand what's going on. Maybe, it's an acquired trait in humans: ER doctors know the #1 way to triage a patient is the ability to express his/her problems. The less the person can, the more rapidly involved the doctor has to be. So maybe, in the beginning of human evolution, our body though that help might come from another around us. Eventually our body, too, realized this so it instinctively evolved to respond oppositely; that when help is needed right away, and since things must start to go off, that consciousness(to a degree) should might as well be first things to be "paused".

For example, in cold conditions, hypothermia physically causes frostbite to non essential parts because no blood will be carried there, as these are the ones that lose the most heat. Then gangrene and then a number of new factors will develop. But, when frostbite is phasing from low to moderate, sensation will start to dissipate in the area, when still not close to an permanent change to a full blown gangrene and life threatening infection, which usually take some time to develop further.

Also in diving, after being in contact with water (with or without oxygen supply) our body will feel that it is not an appropriate environment and start the mammalian diving reflex (probably among other things) to maximize O usage."

[Dicemanstyle]

yeah could be shock. However check this out.

Me and my ex girl were in bad wds once and were close to dying from hypothermia!!! We managed to get hold of ephedrine and adrenaline. I DO NOT reccomend anyone tries this but seeing as we both had needle fixations and were close to death anyway we shot each other with them and bang. NO wds. for about 8 hours. Then of course we scored anyway. But hey. There was NO smack in those pins. SO..................
It could be the adrenaline that helps, or the shock, or the naturally occuring endorphins which i doubt cause junk stops them coming anyway.

Good luck peace.

[rokman nash]

Its been proven that the act of cutting/bloodletting will release a flood of endorphins.This in turn(Daves personal experience) can certainly ease the mental WDs for a short peiod of time.Saying that, this would not be a recommended course of action for ANYONE.

Good Thoughts

Reputation Comments on this post:

Well stated, level-headed response

[ex-junkie]

Originally Posted by gmeziscool2354

(on the prequestionaire "have you ever injected drugs not under the supervision of a doctor?" is a question, and a the subject cannot donate blood if the answer is yes). this seems like a really sick topic to discuss tho.

this is only if youve used within a time period which is (i think) 2 years. after that you can donate. same with the prostitution question. so in a sense you can still donate if the answer is yes.

[gmeziscool2354]

Oic. I have never injected or engaged in prostitution so swim has nothing to worry about

[miggeth]

Swim will stick to his exercise, he doesn't wanna scar up his body, and probably gets the same result.

[dyingtomorrow]

Originally Posted by ex-junkie

this is only if youve used within a time period which is (i think) 2 years. after that you can donate. same with the prostitution question. so in a sense you can still donate if the answer is yes.

I am curious and have to ask: do they have a way of telling whether you are lying or not?

[ex-junkie]

Originally Posted by dyingtomorrow

I am curious and have to ask: do they have a way of telling whether you are lying or not?

swim supposes not.

they have to take you on face value. nobody would want to put an innocent persons life at risk by lying about though surely.