Dose - GBL advice ?

[beentheredoneit]

Hi there people

Just looking for some general advice reallly....

SWIM has had a fair bit of experience with GHB a number of years ago and is just getting back into the swing of things again. Due to the lack of supplier of GBH, SWIM has sourced GBL in an attempt to try and get that same buzz again. He has looked into the GBL conversion to GHB process but due to the numerous stories about people wasting GBL and getting nowhere he has decided to try to see if he can get along with GBL...

Anyhoo - tonight was his first try of GBL, and going a little like this. Tried 1ml, waited 30 mins....... nothing. Took another 0.5 ml, after around 15 mins started to feel something, but nothing like the level of buzz he is looking for, so about 30 mins after the 0.5 ml, he takes another 0.5ml. Around 10 mins later he starts to get nearly where he wants to be, but it doesnt really feel like the GHB he remembers? Dosing seems to be alot more difficult with GBL vs the GHB he was getting years ago. With the GHB, 1 capful from the bottle was kinda like a few pints at the pub, 2 caps was like a night on the bevy - and a third cap was only tried once which resulted in violent vometting. He only ever used it once or twice a week and it was a reliable and consistant buzz.

Would SWIY recommend any more than 2ml of GBL in a dose? Has anyone regularly tried both GHB and GBL, and if so how would SWIY compare the two?

SWIM is wondering if its maybe worth the hassle to try and make GHB, but is scared of wasting money - SWIM wishes to god he still had access to the same stuff from all those years ago .........

[runitsthepolice]

Swim does 2.5-3 mil to start and then sips at a rate of 1 ml every 40 mins to an hour. Try that.

**THIS IS JUST WHAT SWIM, AN EXPERIENCED USER DOES. THIS DOES NOT MEAN THAT SWIY SHOULD DO THE SAME AS APPARENTLY SWIM IS A HARDHEAD WITH GBL. YMMV. START LOW AND WORK YOUR WAY UP.**

Reputation Comments on this post:

FAR to high for a first time user, edit your post mate, 1.5 mil should be max starting dose with GBL

[beentheredoneit]

Thanks a lot for the reply mate

I think what SWIM might do is try 2ml in one go tonight, then an extra 0.5 ml every 30 mins or so until he attains the desired level of burst couchness He had eaten a massive chinese takeaway right before his first dose last night, so this may have had an effect?

SWIM must admit, thats the first Friday night in a long time that he hasnt had alcohol, and he feels much better tody as a result - very much like GHB in that respect... i.e. NO HANGOVER, result

SWIM knows that GBL metabolises to GHB, however he still thinks it feels like a slighlty different kind of buzz to that which he remembers getting from GHB - but then it has ben a long time. It seems a bit more harsh, but less dopey - does this make sense?

Anyway, SWIM says thanks for the reply - he is very glad to have found this forum

[MrG]

Originally Posted by runitsthepolice

Swim does 2.5-3 mil to start and then sips at a rate of 1 ml every 40 mins to an hour. Try that.

No, no, no, no, no.

That is wayyy too heavy a starting dose for anyone but the heaviest of GBL users.

GBL is rapidly converted into GHB by lactonase enzymes found in the blood. GBL is more lipophilic (fat soluble) than GHB, and so is absorbed faster and has higher bioavailability; the paradox is that this can mean that GBL has a faster onset of effects than GHB itself, even though it is a prodrug. The levels of lactonase enzyme can vary between individuals, and GBL is not active in its own right, so people who have never tried GBL before may have delayed or fewer effects than expected; however, once someone has taken GBL a few times, the production of lactonase enzymes is increased and he/she will feel the effects like normal.

But GBL should not be being ingested anyway.

[beentheredoneit]

Thanks mate

Last night SWIM started with 1.5ml, then 20 mins later he took a further 0.5ml, then 40 mins later another 0.5 ml. SWIM found this to be not too bad, but decided not to take any more because it was getting late and he was in fear of the dreaded dopamine rebound LOL. SWIM, regardless of his efforts, had a sh!t sleep anyway

[dutch-marshal]

never take ghb/gbl 2 hours before sleeping...

and converting gbl to ghb in theory is not that hard... it's worth it

[Jozef]

SWIM occasionally uses GBL and loves it.
He's aware that GBL is more dangerous to use, but has not seen any evidence that it is infact harmful to ingest (other than metabolic acidosis with heavy use) and uses untested RC's anyway. So SWIM is OK with this.
SWIM has never tried GHB and is starting to get curious to how it might be different to GBL. However, it is less bioavailable (and thus less economical) - it is also a class c drug where SWIM is and SWIM would have to do a conversion.
Are the effects really that different? Is SWIM missing out?

[Systemdoll]

After two years of GHB and GBL use, swim must admit that he definitely prefer GBL effects (For Rec use). The onset is very fast, fuzzy and very empathogen. GHB is long lasting, less euphoric and give swim nausea.

[MrG]

Nausea on NaGHB? SWIY must have made/bought a bad batch.

GBL is more likely to cause nausea due to the fact that it is a mucous membrane irritant.

Those who absolutely, positively, can't be persuaded otherwise, insist, on using GBL, would do well to ensure that they don't take it on an empty stomach.

[runitsthepolice]

Hey guys I keep getting negative repped for my post above for saying that swim takes 2.5-3 ml to start and 1ml per hour after that. Well that is what swim does and he thought he would share. This works out great for him. Obviously as others have stated this might be too high a dose for some. Swim thought he was contributing but obviously telling people what dose swim takes is something that is frowned upon. He apologizes and I guess he won't post how he doses himself anymore?

Swim has added a disclaimer to the above post

[MrG]

Actually Run I just checked your profile and saw only one neg rep for that comment.

Now you have clarified that, indeed, the dosing amounts stipulated in that post are very high and should not be emulated, I am sure that you need not worry.

[runitsthepolice]

You're right but it was someone with a lot of rep to take away. Simple math reveals who it was, assuming they took the maximum amount of rep away. Swim understands why they did so and he was irresponsible to post that dosage without a disclaimer. He will not make the mistake again in the future. The rep system, positive and negative, really does help make this site a lot better than the rest.