Drug info - Vet and Human grade. Any Difference?

[Horiz]

As the title says, SWIM has been offered from a dealer a source of Ketamine which is "human grade". As in, intended for use on humans instead of the usual stuff which SWIM assumes is stolen from Vet practices that is intended for animal use.

Does anyone have any definitive proof if there's a difference at all? Because the price is significantly different for the different "grades" and SWIM doesn't trust his new "friend"'s advice to buy the human grade.

[thealmassi1]

I'm gonna assume that he said that so SWIY would be more inclined to buy the product...
Dealers are not people of their word.

As far as I know, ketamine is not used on humans during medical procedures in any developed country (although there are 3rd world places that resort to using it).

[Horiz]

Originally Posted by thealmassi1

I'm gonna assume that he said that so SWIY would be more inclined to buy the product...
Dealers are not people of their word.

As far as I know, ketamine is not used on humans during medical procedures in any developed country (although there are 3rd world places that resort to using it).

To quote Wiki:

Ketamine is a drug used in human and veterinary medicine developed by Parke-Davis (today a part of Pfizer) in 1962. Its hydrochloride salt is sold as Ketanest, Ketaset, and Ketalar. Pharmacologically, ketamine is classified as an NMDA receptor antagonist,[2] and at high, fully anesthetic level doses, ketamine has also been found to bind to opioid μ receptors and sigma receptors.[3] Like other drugs of this class such as tiletamine and phencyclidine (PCP), it induces a state referred to as "dissociative anesthesia"[4] and is used as a recreational drug.
Ketamine has a wide range of effects in humans, including analgesia, anesthesia, hallucinations, elevated blood pressure, and bronchodilation.[citation needed] It is primarily used for the induction and maintenance of general anesthesia, usually in combination with some sedative drug. Other uses include sedation in intensive care, analgesia (particularly in emergency medicine), and treatment of bronchospasm. It is also a popular anesthetic in veterinary medicine.


But yes, of course he said so to try and persuade SWIM in to paying a higher fee, but I still seek an answer if there is a difference or not.

[adzket]

ketamine is used in the uk for humans by medical staff all the time it depends on what injorys person has. swim always finds veterany k bet more visual where phamasitical k is more numbing. look threw dfse on ketamine isomers and threw k vault most k in uk now is pharmasuitical so people dont have to go steal it from vets it is resionable easy to import to uk as only class c drug and its innital cheepness in places like india k has been a standard price in uk for long time now so chance is deler is chating pure bs.

[asplinteredfawn]

In all, the collective Ketamine experience; from vial to vial. SWIM has noticed a difference between brands of Ketamine. Prior to this post, he was unsure if it had been psychosomatic or not. Of all the different brands of both human, and animal grade ketamine vials/ampules; a difference was noticed quite often.

Neither brand #1 nor brand #2 has usually differed a great deal though. SWIM hasn't noticed a specific difference between the human/animal categories either, though he has never intentionally compared brands using this distinction. SWIM wasn't factually educated on the exact pharmacological reasoning for this until some research had been done, and found a specific key to the latter Ketamine preparation's uniqueness.

All Ketamine is made from either the racemic s+-Ketamine and r-Ketamine. Most major brands contain the racemic form of Ketamine: which has 2-3X the Analgesic and Anesthetic effect on the patient. While some preparations contain only the S+-Ketamine, that lacks the racemic mixtures length, Analgesic, and Anesthetic properties; it makes up for in greater psychological dissociation.

As found on Wikipedia the active contents are listed as:
Contents of various brands of ketamine

• Ketanest S Parke Davis (Pfizer) - S enantiomer only, no preservatives

• Ketaset® (Wyeth) - R/S ketamine and benzethonium chloride as a preservative.

• Ketanest - S ketamine only

• Ketalar - D/L ketamine + Phermerol® (benzethonium chloride) added as a preservative

These other preservatives can mildly effect the nuance of a specific brand.

Vets often mix the vial with Acepromazine before use.

If a large number of brands were to be analyzed. Of the brands analyzed, a larger amount labeled for Animals would be of the s+-Ketamine variety.

Although I'm not sure if most labs combine, or separate isomers from a single synthesis. Which would play a factor in the economics of the brands that test for s+. Statistically animals are less likely to complain about out of body experiences, or show any noticeable pseudo-psychotic features, sans an awkward glazed look and an over playful curious disposition. This is just an observation, not fact.

SWIM has found that mg/ml desired depends on mode of administration. For I.V. injection 10mg/50ml preparation works best and is SWIMS main line of use. Secondary SWIM finds that all dose orientations work well for I.M. use. SWIM personally dislikes insulfated Ketamine and prefers large oral doses over medium sized bumps. Mainly because an oral dose seems to set one into a deeper more vivid K-Hole. I.V. administration has a very short duration and using a needle driver or I.V. drip would be a not very smart but more reliable method of reaching the preferred prolonged state of encompassing dissociation.

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[Horiz]

Thanks a lot, asplinterfawn. I'd say that pretty much covers everything.

[smiling_fairy]

Originally Posted by Horiz

As the title says, SWIM has been offered from a dealer a source of Ketamine which is "human grade". As in, intended for use on humans instead of the usual stuff which SWIM assumes is stolen from Vet practices that is intended for animal use.

Does anyone have any definitive proof if there's a difference at all? Because the price is significantly different for the different "grades" and SWIM doesn't trust his new "friend"'s advice to buy the human grade.

(I think it's..) Human grade K can be called 'Club K' or 'Enginered K' and is often made up from a base of Vet K (in a lab with a guy in huge glasses ) and mixed with Caffine and other bits & bobs. It keeps swim from falling down and becoming comatized and being a little more social; both are good for swim for different reasons!

[polidelaiko]

SWIM tried different brands of Ketamine, some were for humans and others for veterinary use. Ketamine Hollyday, Vetanarcol, Inductina, Ketalar... they all felt the same. Maybe the first time he tried the vetanarcol (first time trying other brand than the Hollyday one) he thought the effect was differnt.. but at the end it was the same.

[Lettish]

Which is best for reaching an intesive K-hole, s-ketamine only?

[thealmassi1]

Originally Posted by Horiz

To quote Wiki:

Ketamine is a drug used in human and veterinary medicine developed by Parke-Davis (today a part of Pfizer) in 1962. Its hydrochloride salt is sold as Ketanest, Ketaset, and Ketalar. Pharmacologically, ketamine is classified as an NMDA receptor antagonist,[2] and at high, fully anesthetic level doses, ketamine has also been found to bind to opioid μ receptors and sigma receptors.[3] Like other drugs of this class such as tiletamine and phencyclidine (PCP), it induces a state referred to as "dissociative anesthesia"[4] and is used as a recreational drug.
Ketamine has a wide range of effects in humans, including analgesia, anesthesia, hallucinations, elevated blood pressure, and bronchodilation.[citation needed] It is primarily used for the induction and maintenance of general anesthesia, usually in combination with some sedative drug. Other uses include sedation in intensive care, analgesia (particularly in emergency medicine), and treatment of bronchospasm. It is also a popular anesthetic in veterinary medicine.


But yes, of course he said so to try and persuade SWIM in to paying a higher fee, but I still seek an answer if there is a difference or not.

Sorry,my knowledge is limited regarding this drug, but I remember reading it is not widely used in developing countries. Wikipedia is not a reputable source for information... and it does not prove me wrong. It can be used for those numerous illnesses and uses, but developed countries usually have better alternatives (eg. sedation - nitrous oxide, morphine, etc.).

But, I am aware to the fact that I probably am wrong, I just have not read anything that conclusively prove me wrong.

Sorry this is a bit off topic....

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"I just have no read anything that proves me wrong." But you ARE wrong and you are just considering yourself ...

[smiling_fairy]

Originally Posted by Lettish

Which is best for reaching an intesive K-hole, s-ketamine only?

It is likely to be the vet K as this is usually pure form and straight from the cooker; human is mixed.
Put on good music/movie and get someone fun & cool to k-hole with would be swim's suggestion to swiy.

[gplant]

swim often gets ketamine that is so called 'human grade'. swim has also had a sealed vial of ketaset.

the human grade swim gets is very fluffy, more so than flour. it tastes different swim thinks.

swim has inquired as to why it was so fluffy and was told air dried, so swim doeesn't know if it is fluffy because of that or becasue it is indeed human grade.

does anybody know by any chance what kind of ketamine usually comes from the philippines?

[8:30 Eckles]

Surely more humans use K than animals.

[gplant]

sorry Eckles but that doesn't help this thread.

swim craves solid information,not gibberish

sorry if swim insulted you

[ComfortablyNumb]

I heard ketamine is also used in insane asylums, its what they inject the patients to calm them down. This must be very weird if your already insane and then sent to a k-hole, this cant be good lol.

[hijaQr]

Originally Posted by thealmassi1

I'm gonna assume that he said that so SWIY would be more inclined to buy the product...
Dealers are not people of their word.

As far as I know, ketamine is not used on humans during medical procedures in any developed country (although there are 3rd world places that resort to using it).

It's used in Ireland on humans, in some hospitals at least.

[smokedpope]

SWIM although was born in the UK he was brought up in a more medditerenian climate, the first time(he reckons 13 years ago) he tried K in that sunny country he was told its a horse drug and had a brownish color (somewhat like heroin) a few deals further down he got K in a white form and was told it was human K but to be honest SWIM didnt really noticed something different on its high, since SWIM moved to UK any K he found was white (he got some one time that was ment to be indian elephant ketamine and he said it was really strong stuff) so he doesnt really know what the story is behind all this is but whatever he has been told the only difference he noticed was some where stronger than others with the "human" one holding first place from what others FOAF say, SWIM guesses its all about how much someone takes and how much he can tolerate, K is K innit?

[Horiz]

Wow, can't believe this thread is still alive! A lot of interesting info so far though, so thanks guys.

SWIM decided not to buy it due to the dealer's untrustworthy nature, and of course the outrageous prices didn't help either!

He is still seeking to try a bowl of Special K but the recession fucked him on that front

[Bojangles]

swim has never heard of human grade but why not use the veterinary ones, they are fda regulated in the US so its not like you don't know what is in it unless who you got it from cut it....I would have thought ketamine is ketamine whether for human or animals.

[porchy]

Originally Posted by Bojangles

swim has never heard of human grade but why not use the veterinary ones, they are fda regulated in the US so its not like you don't know what is in it unless who you got it from cut it....I would have thought ketamine is ketamine whether for human or animals.

This has already been discussed. There are possible differences between the two. SWIM would suggest you read the thread.