Opinions - Prohibiting Alcohol again...

[Euthanatos93420]

This is my suggestion. It is the inevitable conclusion of all of our research regarding prohibition and particularily studies of marijuana vs alcohol consumption. More directly speaking, the Drug Prohibition movement is largely dependent upon the legality of alcohol. As in...the people themselves are alcoholics.

It should be that Marijuana sees legalization. But if they want to fight us tooth and nail it seems to me that we should call them on their hypocrisy. Tell them to give us our drug or give up theirs so to speak. Campaign en mass to say....if you won't give us our weed give up your liquor.

Alcohol is the drug of repression. If its prohibited there are those who will give it up. Their eyes will be opened. There are those who will refuse to give it up. These are major rich and powerful figures that will essentially be joining the fight for legalization of drugs.

It's like going left to go right...like drifting. I was watching a Moral Oral episode when the idea hit me. Mrs. Censoredall loved eggs and protested every rediculous piece of shit you could think of for the most inane reason with the most unreasonable justifications. Then Moral Oral got it into twisted little noggin that eggs are evil. He went to protest against them and made a rediculously awesome argument Mrs. Censoredall couldn't argue with. She had to go get her fix from the black market farmer.

Oh yeah....and alcohol is cheap fast and easy to make. It'll give us pirates a great source of income that the CIA can't manipulate into outsourced trafficking and generally disrupt the flow of organized crime. Sure eventually it would find a way to join the organized crime society but still....we could use the profits to do some real damage to the system if they actually were dumb enough to prohibit it. Still....it might force them to reconcile and legalize weed. Which would be the ultimate goal.

Anyone else out there so sick of this bullshit and think this might actually be an effective way to stick it to the man?

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completely agree and hold this philosophy myself

[Herbal Healer 019]

Originally Posted by euthanatos93420

Anyone else out there so sick of this bullshit and think this might actually be an effective way to stick it to the man?

Well if you check out my "a question that puts the drug war in perspective" thread, where I describe, IMO, just how deep the drug war really goes, you'll see just how sick of the bullshit I am.

If illegalized alcohol would immediately become a part of organized crime whether outsourced or not; it isn't simply a matter of "eventually", it's more of a "just another drug for gangs to profit from" thing. & while I do agree with your idea of sticking it to the man through alcohol prohibition, it would never ever happen. Not only are alcohol & tobacco sales largely what our economy relies on in these hard times of recession, they are just to socially accepted & therefore viewed as seperate from "drugs". There is the possibility if this prohibition did, hypothetically, happen like this that it might "open eyes", but I really think people would still view other drugs in the same manner they are now & most likely only want alcohol re-regulated.

Cannabis tho, IMO, is inebidably going to become legalized & regulated, it's just a matter of all of our future bussiness leaders of America out there getting into office.

BTW nice Moral Oral analogy

[Euthanatos93420]

Well it wasn't me that wrote the analogy...the show was blatantly a mock on the prohibition of drugs. It managed to expose a few other human hypocrisies in the process...but that show has always been exceptionally skilled at doing just that in the short 10 minutes of air it has per episode.

I don't think Alchohol would ever be prohibited. My suggestion here is to start a prohibition movement for alcohol. To start "picketing" alcohol as it were. People will immediately regard this behavior as completely asinine.

But...if we get enough people to do it....we're not just a bunch of hippies standing around saying 'legalize weed, dude!' Were vigilant moral guardians confronting evil...

They either prohibit acohol...or recognize the blatant shortcomings of prohibition.

When they argue that prohibition didnt work before and ask why we think it would now....RESOND WITH COMPLETE IRRATIONALITY AND RANT ABOUT DEMONIZING PERVESION OF CULURE!!!!!! Get ZEALOUS. Get downright insane....while maintaining intellectual argument via statistic and picutres of bloody car wrecks and people dying of Cirrohsis. Pictures of children abused by alcoholic fathers.

I don't know about you...but I'M FURIOUS THAT ALCOHOL IS LEGAL WHEN IT CAUSES THIS SORT OF THING!!!!!!!!!

And yet my drug is prohibited? I'm done trying to rationalize and argue for the repeal of prohibition. They've done nothing but escalate military enforcement. Well I'm about to call them on their hypocrisy.

I'm serious. I'm going to start prohibition rallies and picket Liquor stores. Fuck that. It's time we did something where we can directly force people to think about the system they are approving of.

I say those ignorant fucks want prohibition and a police state? Well they better stick to absolutes and discard they're rotten hypocrisy because I'm sick of it.

And it's actually a lot more of a peaceful endeavor to stop prohibition than the hit list I was writing...LOL....j/k...of course. ;-)

[silenius]

Originally Posted by euthanatos93420

My suggestion here is to start a prohibition movement for alcohol. To start "picketing" alcohol as it were. People will immediately regard this behavior as completely asinine.

Besides the fact that most people are, IMHO, not able to distinguish between a statement and the person behind it, which will label YOU as asinine in the eyes of the people you are trying to reach... Do you want cannabis to be legal because alcohol is legal or because you think it's your right to consume whatever you want to?

Oh, and btw, there are actually people out there who say that alcohol should be forbidden (they even sit in our Ministries of Health) and they will, IMHO, do this as soon as they've found a viable alternative for mass-sedation - the pharmaceutical industry will jump to their help when asked, no doubt about that.

So, please, PLEASE, don't go the way of substance-fascism. It's a dead end and it will isolate you from all those who fight for the legality of their drug of choice.

[Coconut]

I disagree with alcohol prohibition even if it furthers the goals of the legalisation movement. I know alcohol is a fairly destructive substance but these effects are, in my opinion, a result of the society we live in, not alcohol itself.

[Euthanatos93420]

Originally Posted by Coconut

I know alcohol is a fairly destructive substance but these effects are, in my opinion, a result of the society we live in, not alcohol itself.

DOH!!!! You and I know this. So does all of society. Same thig is true of ALL OBJECTS be they drugs, tools/weapons, wtfever. The POINT is that by picketing alcohol we will force people to REMEMBER how ABSOLUTLY IDIOTIC the idea is was to begin with. Then force them to reckon to the truths of how that is the same with all drugs.

Again....prohibition isn't the goal....REALIZING THAT PROHIBITION DOESN'T WORK IS.

The idea of prohibiting alcohol is absurd....but so is the rest of the war on drugs....by picketing alcohol I propose that we can force people to...by association reckon with this truth.

[libertalism]

You definitely have a point, why are those people aloud to use their drug of choise and others aren't? But i doubt that this is the right way to bring that to peoples minds , the last thing we need is more bullshit , and the answer is not to fight bullshit with bullshit , the answer is to have some people with the right minds in charge or to have someone who can gather all the druggies in the world and have them do a massive strike untill they get their demands.

Now that i think of it.. why not? Why not all go on a strike untill this bullshit is over? Surely we would get their attention then and they would know we are serious.
All we need is a well spoken , well educated spokesman.

[Euthanatos93420]

Actually libertalism, fighting bullshit with bullshit that is not bullshit I think can be very effective.

In the very same way the Moralton satire is effective, this will be a satire on the prohibition process itself. It just needs to be done with such blatant idiocracy that and overzealous bullshit that it would be impossible not to see through it.

Anyone who couldn't see through it and joined with REAL ZEAL would be quickly deprogrammed by the troupe they would join the movement of. Of course that could be done with even higher level of excessively zealous saitre....but if that failed to evoke understanding...then the person needs to be put in a psych ward to undo the emotional trauma and uncover the repressions that have led them to accept the group think paradigm that allows them to develop such unfounded zeal and construes their mind to believe that oppression of others with the iron fist of government.

In an insane society the only sane person is percieved as, and therefore is, insane.

[libertalism]

I think you underestimate the stupidness of the average Joe.
But the main thing is to get attention from the people who mather , we can post our ideas here all we like , but will it really make a difference?
I also doubt that an action like you describe wouldn't be shocking enough to get public , there have been individuals and groups who tried to make alcohol illegal so most people will just /care for it or react fiercefull without looking at the underlying message even tho its so obvious.
Perhaps we could use a public channel like youtube tho to try to reach as much people as possible.
If you would set up an action and construct it i'd be happy to contribiute in any way i can.

[Euthanatos93420]

My action will be to get a few stoner friends to march with me for a few hours in the snow in my shit town in the middle of the midwest where idiocy runs rife and the love for alcohol knows no bounds.

I'll submit a notice to peaceably assemble outside a liquor store on a Saturday afternoon/evening.

I'll even talk to the owner of the liquor store and explain to him that it will probably increase his business by proxy of the attention and he's a pretty cool and reasonable guy who will get a real kick out of the deal.

We will march in a traditional circle chanting and holding picket signs with rediculously zealous themes.

I will also video it in a satirical news report fashion and atempt to get it published. I will repeat as much as I can and attempt to get other to assist me in this satire and repeat it until this seed of truth induced via an elaborate comedy is buried deep in those idiots thick skulls.

[Burnt]

No way alcohol is a fine drink/drug if used properly. Cannot support.

[libertalism]

Burnt it is not about making alcohol illegal.
I told you people won't get it euthanatos

[Burnt]

Yes and SWIM loves weed too but its not fair to say lets make one thing illegal and then another legal. Both should be legal!

[Matt The Funk]

It seems like a pretty drastic and freedom infringing measure to get back SWIMMERS freedom. Also SWIM doesn't really like the idea of having to get alc from a dealer...

[Blu_berrytoke]

It is a very good idea euthanatos. But it won't happen, it's simply impossible to think that this idea would go through. The fact that people were arguing for a prohibition of alcohol might make them think a little more about the legalization of other substances, i.e. marijuana, but that's the only realistic result swim can think of.
Other than that, swim could care less if it's legalized, it's always going to be possible to procure bud if you really want some either way. However, finding a way to simply decriminalize it would be a much more feasible goal.

[vinylmesh]

prohibiting alcohol would not have the effect you seek. Most anti-drug people would continue being anti drug. They'd seek only the legalisation of alcohol and not other drugs.

They'd be somewhat simmilar to today's authoritarian stoners (a most vile and despicable breed ) who seek only the legalisation of cannabis, purely because they happen to enjoy it themselves.

[libertalism]

Huh? So cannabis should remain illegal becouse others don't like it?
The big difference with potheads and non-potheads is that non potheads are forbidding potheads from smoking and potheads aren't forcing anyone else to smoke.

Sorry if i misunderstood your post but it seems like you are opposed to legalising.

[vinylmesh]

Originally Posted by libertalism

Huh? So cannabis should remain illegal becouse others don't like it?
The big difference with potheads and non-potheads is that non potheads are forbidding potheads from smoking and potheads aren't forcing anyone else to smoke.

Sorry if i misunderstood your post but it seems like you are opposed to legalising.

no, I was giving out about people who want cannabis to be legalised but want other drugs to remain illegal.

If alcohol was made illegal, pro-alcohol people would not want all other drugs legal. just like the way pro-cannabis people do not want all other drugs legal.

[Matt The Funk]

Originally Posted by vinylmesh

just like the way pro-cannabis people do not want all other drugs legal.

I'm sure a decent amount of cannabis users have tried other substances and seen that they aren't nearly as bad as they are made out to be and some are even very useful. But yeah the majority probably just smoke weed and don't use anything else illegal.

[vinylmesh]

Originally Posted by Matt The Funk

I'm sure a decent amount of cannabis users have tried other substances and seen that they aren't nearly as bad as they are made out to be and some are even very useful. But yeah the majority probably just smoke weed and don't use anything else illegal.

hah! sorry. i posted that response really quickly. obviously a lot of cannabis smokers want all drugs legal. but some only want cannabis as deep down they are just as authoritarian as all the others. They just happen to enjoy the odd joint.

[doggy_hat]

I don't think a satirical alcohol prohibition movement would work. The whole concept of it would require a level of intelligence and open mindedness that average Americans don't have. I don't think you realize just how stubborn and irrational most Americans are. Even if an average joe did understand that it was a satire argueing for anti-prohibition he would probably say something along the lines of "Are you fucking stupid? Alcohol isn't a drug, it's a beverage."

[Euthanatos93420]

Sure...there will always be thickheaded people who do not understand a satire. Doesn't mean the TV show Moral Orel is without it's fan base. The presence of Idiots and critics cannot prevent the creation of art. And that is exactly what I propose to do.

More refined I present the format of this satire in. It will be a mock TV newscast about the event that I consruct complete with all of the picket rally stereotypes. I think I even know a couple of cops who might be humors to engage in this activity to present a few humorous extremes.

I'll post it on Youtube and a few other places just so the format may be explained.

And vinyl...I fully recognize the selfishness of those who support the legalization of cannabis only. However, their measure does have an admitted practicality. in the same way you can't lump Marijuana in with other drugs....tryign to lump them together in a movement is equally as difficult and I would accept the legalization of Marijuana only as a step in the right direction because that movement could by proxy assist in the legalization of the rest (HAHA...oh shit....is that an extrapolation of the 'Gateway' theory?) However, even as such....those who support marijuana and yet demonize other drugs are hypocritical asswipes. Still, it's a hard thing not to get sucked into especially when Marijuana is so often is contrasted to alcohol.

It might take me a whiel but I will put this into effect and ressurect this topic (If it should die while I am busy) to relate to you all the results of my artistic endeavor.

[Cryptic Concoction]

I think the most effective solution may be that which directly disrupts the gears of the system as they turn. If your plan can do so, it may prove efficacious.

[Euthanatos93420]

That which disrupts is never a solution but is inherently a destruction (As curmudgeonous criticism always is). Swim's Drill Sergeant told his platoon never to complain without having a solution. We have many solutions. I think I need to find a way to make this Saitre somehow directly or indirectly point to that solution.

Will revise upon consideration. Thanks!

[Cryptic Concoction]

What I mean is that the problem seems deeply rooted in the system. I think that the most effective solutions will be those that in some way attack the origin of the probes of propaganda and delusion that have seized the minds of the public.

The terms "destruct" "disrupt" are merely value judgments of change. That which is destruction in the eyes of one will be creation in the eyes of another. That which is disruption in the eyes of one will be a restoration in the eyes of another. Destruction is a form of creation; creation is a form of destruction. Your solution is another's destruction.

A "solution" is an alteration of the current state of existence. Whether or not this alteration is a solution or an exacerbation is contingent on the vantage of the observer.

I want a "solution" that unveils the hypocrisy and delusion of prohibition at its source. I want a change that exposes the mendacity of the government's Holy Creed. I want actions that strike through the cogs of the machine. This result may be mediated directly or indirectly, but in my eyes the problem is fundamental.

Information is a weapon and a tool, and the effects it delivers are largely dependent on the powers it is vested in. The government has subjugated the population through misinformation for years, and I think it must be combated.

The government is forging a new battalion of plastic soldiers as we speak. I want the production stopped.

I'm not saying your proposed solution is good or bad; I'm just saying what I want. Satire is often beneficial in exposing hypocrisy...

Whether or not something is a "solution" a "destruction" or both is subjectively determined.