Drug info - MDMA - overrated?

[KomodoMK]

Originally Posted by dyingtomorrow

There's no way anyone could say MDMA is underrated. However the types of pills you get can vary greatly. SWIM has had some real shitty pills (that have either done very little, or had fucked up effects that made SWIM have a bad time), and some unbelievable ones that sent SWIM straight to heaven.

It's probably just dependent on what you got. SWIM thinks if everyone had a proper rolling experience, we'd get this "society" thing patched up real quick and would be living in a fucking utopia within 10 years.

That's a matter of opinion, when I say underrated I'm referring to the many people out there who have not had the chance to try almost pure MDMA. There is a world of difference between using clean MDMA and adulterated pills. Unfortunately these adulterated pills give a bad impression of what MDMA is all about, even here in the UK where pill quality is fairly high compared to many places - especially the US.

I do agree with the tail end of your post, it would be awesome if everyone could experience that magic at least once. I think it would be a big eye opener for most!

[dyingtomorrow]

Originally Posted by KomodoMK

That's a matter of opinion, when I say underrated I'm referring to the many people out there who have not had the chance to try almost pure MDMA. There is a world of difference between using clean MDMA and adulterated pills. Unfortunately these adulterated pills give a bad impression of what MDMA is all about, even here in the UK where pill quality is fairly high compared to many places - especially the US.

I do agree with the tail end of your post, it would be awesome if everyone could experience that magic at least once. I think it would be a big eye opener for most!

It sounds like it is more consistent than in the U.S. Here pretty much every pill is going to give you a different experience.

[KomodoMK]

I wasn't directing that at you specifically SWIH, just in general. I don't think a high dose, at least the doses we are talking about here are unsafe and are going to cause life threatening problems for anyone, but for the inexperienced it is going to cause complications such as anxiety, paranoia and possibly panic attacks.

Little fishy has been a fan of high doses himself, but there seems to be very little difference between 300mg and say 800mg, at least not any significant increase in positive effects to warrant the higher dose, it would be best saved for a later re-dose or another occasion. Of course that's just little fishies opinion, but everyone is different so it's what works for you really.

[SWIH]

Originally Posted by KomodoMK

but there seems to be very little difference between 300mg and say 800mg, at least not any significant increase in positive effects to warrant the higher dose, it would be best saved for a later re-dose

couldn't agree more. but don't forget 300g is more than double the recommeded dose!

[Synesthesiac]

Originally Posted by SWIH

couldn't agree more. but don't forget 300g is more than double the recommeded dose!

for a first timer, that woukd be very useful information.

[SWIH]

Originally Posted by Synesthesiac

for a first timer, that woukd be very useful information.

there should be a health warning printed on the side of the baggys dont yer think? munchin too much crystal may cause uncontrollable rushin

but lets not twist this round eh, the dispute was something along the lines of "half a gram is 3-4 times more than you should take in one go vs not necessarily it aint" wasn't it, not "take half a gram for your first mdma experience vs no no don't!"

[Cryptic Concoction]

Originally Posted by KomodoMK

but for the inexperienced it is going to cause complications such as anxiety, paranoia and possibly panic attacks.

And potentially hyperthermia, increased blood pressure, dehydration, muscular tension, tachycardia, hyperpyrexia, exhaustion...

Certainly few die from such risks, and certain actions can be taken to mitigate them, but I think that they pose a significant enough risk to warrant circumspection when dosing and an understanding of how this psychotropic will affect one's self.

While I have not found a consensus regarding the therapeutic index of MDMA, I have not found any evidence suggesting that a gram would be necessarily entail a toxic overdose. However, it does seem likely that it would increase the adverse side effects and potential risks associated with MDMA.

Of course, with this we stumble upon the issue of how drugs "should" be used, and who shall dictate how individuals "should" use drugs. I am a stalwart advocate of freedom of mind and body, but I will never cease to advise others of the potential dangers lest they inadvertently expose themselves to certain risks by virtue of ignorance.

My caveats are simply an attempt to disseminate information so as to provide users with knowledge with which they may assess the risks and benefits of psychotropics. Once that information is provided, the choice becomes solely theirs and I will not attempt to expostulate with them.

It is your mind, your body,and your decision.

It is not my responsibility to enforce my almighty doctrine of the universe.

[KomodoMK]

I don't think he was trying to twist it round. It's just courteous and sensible to tack on a warning or some sensible advice where high dosages are concerned as someone who lacks as much knowledge/experience as yourself could harm themselves. (Not everyone has common sense).

I don't think anyone has meant to imply a specific dose fits all, that is not true by any means, we are all different. We have just stated the dose which the general consensus find to be about right in terms of positive and negative effects.

[SWIH]

ok fair do's

[Cryptic Concoction]

I won't attempt to lay down a holy creed of drug use (that's the government's job), but I will say that it is certainly advisable for a person to understand how a substance will affect him or her before administering a dose that is significantly higher than what appears to be a "typical" dose.

If SWIH is able to use a gram of MDMA without apparent adverse or life-threatening side effects, I have no interest in dictating how he governs his own body. However, I will say that such behavior may not be prudent for all people, and one would be sage to understand how a psychotropic will affect him or her.

Taking very large doses can become especially dangerous in a market where uncertainty of composition is ubiquitous.

[SWIH]

Originally Posted by Cryptic Concoction

(that's the government's job)

to be honest that's probably what's got me arguing the toss about this -
"don't smoke there, you'll put the barman at risk"
"don't smoke that, it'll make you psychotic"
"don't sniff that your septum might fall out"
"don't eat them they're full of cholesterol"
"don't exceed this recommended dose in case it's cut with asbestos"
it's all off the same hymn sheet, of course be sensible, always play safe, always drink responsibly - or maybe perhaps not if you dont wanna?