Drug info - MDMA - overrated?

[thealmassi1]

SWIM tried MDMA for the first time last friday and he was disappointed with the effects. He took 3 white capsules and felt energetic and happy with a clenched jaw. These are all typical effects of MDMA, but the euphoria wasen't that great.... SWIM has done DXM with weed and gotten a MUCH, MUCH higher amount of euphoria. SWIM has been told that MDMA is supposed to be a lot better than DXM, yet based on SWIM's one E experience, it wasen't that great. It took a while for SWIM to even notice the effects - they weren't obvious as SWIM thought they would be.
SWIM has been told these pills are good and has even been around friends rolling on these pills, so SWIM is thinking that MDMA is overrated(?).

SHOuld SWIM mix his capsules with a line or two of speed or use another stimulant in combination with the MDMA to boost the euphoria next time?



SWIm has also never taken a stimulant before last friday (aside from caffeine).

[molly pitcher]

MDMA overrated? NEVER NOT AT ALL NOT EVEN A LITTLE BIT.
by far one of SWIMs favorites! SWIM also is on anti-depressants so SWIM needs to try really hard to roll sometimes. it very much depends on the pills themselves, and what besides MDMA is in them. if you get ones laced with speedy shit then that would probably be the experience you are looking for...and are much better for raves and doing active things. others, like pure MDMA or molly just make you feel amazing and not super energetic all the time.

out of curiosity- how did you expect to feel?

[Cryptic Concoction]

It is all relative and the merits of a drug are subjectively determined.

Of course, few people seem to be averse to intense rapture and enveloping euphoria.

I think there is a significant chance that SWIY did not have pure MDMA, given that they were in capsule form.

If SWIY feels he needs a "boost" in the euphoria, I find it highly doubtful that the substance he ingested was pure MDMA. I find it even more dubious considering that he considered dextromethorphan to be more euphoric than what was purported to be "ecstasy."

SWIY must consider the fact that pills purveyed as "ecstasy" are infamously impure and inconsistent and it is acutely uncommon for pure mdma to grace the illicit market in pill or capsule form (of course, with pills binders are needed, so it cannot be pure mdma).

It is always possible that the pills were predominantly mdma and SWIY is insensitive to its effects.

If the effects are not appease SWIY, it would be unwise to begin mixing the pills with other substances, given that he has no way to determine the composition of the pills.

[enquirewithin]

The problem with anything that's hyped up a lot is the possibility of disappointment.

[sknkv2]

Sometimes the first time isn't the best because the user doesn't know what to expect/look for. They are so worried about what they are feeling and what is happening to them they forget to just go with the flow and let it happen. This is the case for some of swim's mates at least.

[dark12]

SWIM has a decent amount of experience with different classes of non-hard drugs and he definitely finds MDMA to be his favorite.

The euphoria is comparable with a good dose of an opiate, but the addition of stimulation really puts it in another league entirely. Then when one considers the emotional connection with other people, it's clear to see why many people enjoy it so much.

Now if only it wasn't so hard to find around here...

[anarchyat]

Many of Swims friends hyped up ecstasy, and when Swim took it his first time it wasn't that great. However this was due to the fact that what was passed of as ecstasy was shit. When Swim finally had it, it was everything that they told him. If swiy can't feel the euphoria, swiy ain't getting good rolls. From Swim's experience though, that can be hard to come by, and what is passed off as ecstasy usually has some crap in it..

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Good post

[superdupernaut]

If swiy has never done speed before, I would reccomend that for next time you tell swiy to try speed alone. 50 to 100 milligrams of a good amphetamine alone should produce some intense euphoria, and if not then I would suspect that speed (including MDMA) is just not swiys bag.

Most people dont find DXM to be particularly euphoric, most people do consider MDMA to be euphoric. There is nothing wrong with not being 'most people'.

[thealmassi1]

SWIM was expecting intense euphoria and an appreciation for everything with boundless energy. And only felt those effects minimally - not nearly to the extent he was expecting...

SWIm's friend has another type of (so called) "pure MDMA" from a neighbouring city and SWIM is gonna try that and compare. And SWIm has changed his mind about using other amphetamines since he has an addictive personality. - maybe one day...


As a side note, SWIM felt a sharp stomach pain 30-45 min after he took the capsules. I am assuming it is the rupture of the capsules and the release of the MDMA into his stomach. Is this normal? or should SWIM be concerned about SWIM's health? Does it give any indication that these capsules were "shit" (bunk) with possibly detergents or other harmful substances?


And is the euphoria truly similar to opiates with a warmth throughout the body and rushes of euphoria that come from the stomach to the brain with a great sense of peace (all effects SWIM receives when under the influence of opiates)?

Thanks

[Synesthesiac]

Originally Posted by thealmassi1

As a side note, SWIM felt a sharp stomach pain 30-45 min after he took the capsules. I am assuming it is the rupture of the capsules and the release of the MDMA into his stomach. Is this normal? or should SWIM be concerned about SWIM's health? Does it give any indication that these capsules were "shit" (bunk) with possibly detergents or other harmful substances?

That doesn't sound normal. I wouldn't get them again, especially if you did three and didn't feel that euphoric. And I dont think it would take that long for the capsules to dissolve, though I'm not sure about this. I know that even swallowing pure mdma in no capsules it can sometimes take over an hour for the effects to fully kick in. swim had to wait an hour and a half before when using on a full stomach.

What you describe in the OP sounds to me to be more similar to mephedrone than MDMA, which is quite similar in respects, produces jaw clenching and general happiness/sociability, but far less euphoric. It also has a slower and less noticeable onset. But It could be anything similar to this. Doesn't sound like mdma though.

And is the euphoria truly similar to opiates with a warmth throughout the body and rushes of euphoria that come from the stomach to the brain with a great sense of peace (all effects SWIM receives when under the influence of opiates)?

Yes, a great sense of peace, but also a great desire to move around and socialize. The peace usually comes after when its wearing off. See this video for some testimonies, taken from Peter Jennings documentary ecstasy rising: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNVGRBcDB0Q

[molly pitcher]

it is also true that if you don't just relax and let swiy's body do it's thing your brain will psych itself out...it is important to not hold expectations for new drugs when swiy tries them and lets it mix in however it may...SWIM LOVES MDMA so def go for the second time and be sure to post back about how it went!

molly pitcher added 3 Minutes and 19 Seconds later...

good call on the addictive personality thing.
stomach pains = normal for swim sometimes, SWIY is fine and SWIM is fine.
and SWIM would say yes to the euphoria!

[Synesthesiac]

Overrated? No.

You cant over rate something thats the best drug in the world and swims tried a fair few to be able to say this.

Try pure MDMA instead of pills. And get someone to give you a massage while listening to melodic music you enjoy, music and touching peoples skin (or even your own) feels amazing when on good mdma.

[molly pitcher]

sensual massages are definitely the way to go whilst rolling
but the best thing to do is put on trance house or some sort of electronic music and let your body move whatever way it wants, turn the bass up til you can feel your teeth chatter

[dark12]

Thanks for the great Youtube link SWISyn

[Synesthesiac]

Originally Posted by dark12

Thanks for the great Youtube link SWISyn

yeah that videos proving to be pretty popular. I'll defo make more like that in the future, just using thebest bits from larger docu's

Originally Posted by enquirewithin

MDMA is a stimulant with some psychedelic properties (or an entactogen or empathogen). The effects are not always predictable, especially from one person to another.

This is very true. A friend of mine had mild hallucinations on MDMA, thought he saw loads of mice running around on the floor, while no-one else that did it saw anything like that. Hallucinations are very rare on mdma though, I've rarely heard anyone report them like he had them. Might have been related to the acid he did earlier in the week. You can definately tell that mdma does have a slightly trippy feeling to it aswell as the stimulation aspect, and things do look slightly different on it, often more beautiful.

[enquirewithin]

MDMA is a stimulant with some psychedelic properties (or an entactogen or empathogen). The effects are not always predictable, especially from one person to another.

[Lettish]

If Swiy is talking about the difference between MDMA crystals and ecstasy pills, then yes Swim can relate to Swiy post. Swim found the use of MDMA made him high and introduced him to a state of euphoria, but did not give him any rushy/energetic feelings like a typical ecstasy pill would.

Swim is still to experiment with MDMA crystals as he has not used it solely on its own before. Swim has heard of other users of MDMA crystals reporting the same effects (chilled euphoria but with little/no energetic rushing). Perhaps it's best used for house-parties where a group of you can get euphoric together and it's not all about the music (unlike in a nightclub environment where Swiy wants to dance all night long). Swim is to investigate this over the next year.

[Synesthesiac]

Originally Posted by Lettish

Perhaps it's best used for house-parties where a group of you can get euphoric together and it's not all about the music (unlike in a nightclub environment where Swiy wants to dance all night long). Swim is to investigate this over the next year.

I would say that MDMA is infact much better for the music than pills, but you wont have as much energy to keep dancing as with pills, presuming the pills are MDMA and amphetamines. Its the MDMA that makes the music sound great and amazing and makes you want to dance, its the speed that makes you able to dance all night long and gives you the tingling rushing feelings.

Just sitting down and listening to good music can be highly euphoric when on MDMA, dancing is a secondary option, but still a damn nice one.

[molly pitcher]

SWIM completely agrees with lettish and synesthesiac about the way pure MDMA compared to e pills feels but on the other hand SWIM prefers e pills because SWIM prefers to be dancing all night long and having energy on top of the euphoria..and each e pill (depending on what else is in it besides MDMA) is different and can make SWIY feel different-almost like different drugs with the same common theme of AMAZINGNESS.

[rocksmokinmachine]

SWIM has access to 98%+ pure MDMA. IT is the most amazing, profound experience SWIM has ever had. Definately, definately not overated.

[Synesthesiac]

Originally Posted by rocksmokinmachine

SWIM has access to 98%+ pure MDMA. IT is the most amazing, profound experience SWIM has ever had. Definately, definately not overated.

Out of curiousity, how do you know this percentage? Can you test the mdma in some way?

[anarchyat]

Swim would just like to add that stomach pains have happened to him and others more than once on rolls. Swims g/f even threw up during the come up period. After that though she said it was the most intense roll she has ever had. Whether that is good or not I will let someone else decide...but it doesn't seem uncommon.

And since swiy brought up massaging, swim would recommend massaging the spine moving up to the base of the skull...AMAZING!!

[FrankenChrist]

Originally Posted by anarchyat

Swim would just like to add that stomach pains have happened to him and others more than once on rolls. Swims g/f even threw up during the come up period. After that though she said it was the most intense roll she has ever had. Whether that is good or not I will let someone else decide...but it doesn't seem uncommon.

And since swiy brought up massaging, swim would recommend massaging the spine moving up to the base of the skull...AMAZING!!

MDMA can give one stomach troubles, but with the people SwiFr knows those feelings usually pass when it hits.

[molly pitcher]

The stomach pains might have something to do with outside forces also-make sure you are fed, hydrated, and have gotten a decent amount of sleep. It could also have to do with any other medications SWIY & friends are on so keep that in mind

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decent advice

[Routemaster Flash]

SWIM's tried not far off 30 different drugs in his day - OK, so that includes alcohol and tobacco, but you get the idea - and if he had to choose just one that he could only use from now on, it would be...tea. Not poppy tea or anything, just honest-to-goodness regular English-style tea. It gets him through the day.

BUT ecstasy/MDMA would definitely be number two.

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Man after me own heart! Tea is definitely where it's at!