Drug info - Dr. Phil's Ultimate Guide to Using Salvia Divornum

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1.Introduction

Dr. Phil thought that it would be great to post an ultimate Guide to smoking Salvia to commemorate as sadisticly ironic counterpoint to a certain unrelated Television show host's infamous slander of this beloved Herb. To which point this Dr. Phil asserts no relation as a disclaimer. He merely uses the psuedonym to comply with DF rules and insidiously mock that shitfuck asswipe hack of a doctor who took sexual advantage of his psychiatric clients prior to running the television show (It's documented). Here he intends to Answer those FAQs that pop up because DF noobs are too lazy to UTFSE and it's probably about time someone condense the best of the Salvia forum anyway. Dr. Phil intends to maintain this OP with additions that any commenters feel is necessary information to be had in an ultimate guide to using Salvia.

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2.Index

1.Introduction
2.Index
3. Guide to Extractions and Terminology
4.The Salvia Experience
5.Guide to Smoking Salvia
6.Using a Quid
7.Tinctures
8.Miscellaneous Alternative methods
9.What DOESN'T work or How not to Waste your Salvia
10.DF Thread links worth reading/references/Best of Salvia Forum
11.Miscellaneous moderately related information
12.Post Post Notes
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3.Guide to Extracts & Terminology

This is not a How-to to extract Salvia. It is a basic explanation of what extractions are and a dictionary of the terminology used by those who know about the entheogenic use of Salvia. There is a sticky in this forum about Salvia Extractions. The dictionary is listed by spontinaity and not Alphabet. If it grows larger Dr. Phil may alphabetize it if there is a demand to do so. As yet he is writing this on inspiration at whim.

Extraction - Process by which Salvinorin A is isolated from the plant Matter. This process is not covered in this Guide as there are many other guides to extraction and it is a complicated process which Dr. Phil does not wish to determine the necessary level of explination of Chemistry needed to preform the process. If you want to learn there is a sticky else UTFSE.

Salvia Divornum - A plant of the Sage genus once used by Mazatec Shamans for religious and spiritual purposes. Today the plant is used for the same purpose although there are some who misuse it and are being exploited by some governments in a push for Prohibition of the plant. Also reffered to as Sally, Salvia, Mexican Mint, Diviner's Sage, Sally D, among others. (Feel free to name a few Dr. Phil will add them)

Standardized Extraction - SE -A process by which relatively pure Salvinorin A is reapplied to dried leaf so that the exact quantity of Salvinorin A may be known in a given quantity. All standardized Extraction do not have an meaningful "X" factor although one is usually applied for marketing purpose. A standardized Extract will be noted as such with the exact quantity of Extracted material applied to the dried leaf. There is also the Salvinorin A in the Dried leaf that the Extraction was applied to but this is usually a negligable amount considering quantities used when dealing with extractions.

Non-Standardized Extraction - NSE -A process by which as much Salvinorin A as possible may be extracted from a given quantity of material (of Varying purities) and reapplied to dried plant material to give it the "X" factor. 1oz (28g) of extracted material applied to 1g of dried leaf would be referred to as '29x' accurately. However some sellers may just call it '30x'. The strength of a given "X" depends thus entirely on the strength of the leaf matter it was extracted from and exact purity and strength cannot be known except by personal judgement.

Blotters - Or 'Cigarette blotters', 'Cigarette paper blotters', 'Salvia Blotters' all refer to a process by which Salvinorin A is refined to a relative purity then infused to maximum concentration of Acetone and applied to a cigarette paper and allowed to dry. This process is repeated until the paper contains enough Salvinorin A in small sections of the paper that may be cut up into 'blotter size' (Hence the name and no reference to LSD beyond a size description of dose). These 'blotters' may be smoked or applied sublingually.

Torch Lighter - Also misleadingly called 'Butane lighters' (Because Bics and other standard lighters use butane too!). There are two varieties of these one being 'The Stone' and another being 'Jet'. See Section 5 for more info.

Bong - Waterpipes are an indispensable tool for smoking Salvia in Dr. Phil's and many other experienced users opinions. It is an object the is roughly tubular in shape and holds water at the bottom. A hole is present just above the water line and a tube runs through it at a downward angle into the water. Sometimes this tube itself is attached to the 'bowl' (Where the salvia is placed and burnt) and in such cases a carburetor (or 'carb' for short) is present somewhere above the water line to determine dilution of smoke with regular air and allow the smoke in the bong to be drafted without burning more product. A better (In Dr. Phil's humble opinion) version of this is one with a slider where the bowl is on a stem that can be slid out of the tube and the chamber cleared without the need for a carb (Though some models like this contain one).


Pipe - Okay now Dr. Phil admits he is just wasting space.

Purple Sticky Salvia - A brand name of Salvia that Dr. Phil thinks is the stinkiest product he has ever had. One would be better served finding a well reputed seller on the internet than hitting up your local head shops and contributing the the Mass Media attention Salvia is receiving that will get it prohibited.

Youtube - If you've seen the videos...FLAG THEM. If you are thinking about making your own...DON'T. Dr. Phil will reach through the TUBE and smack YOU. It is a description of the external process of something the true benefit of which is wholly internal. It leads to infamy and demonetization of the drug. Big Brother has enough propaganda material already don't play into the hands of the creation of a 1984 police state.

Short Term Reverse Tolerance Principle - Salvia has a stronger effect if you have used it recently (Up to a day or two). It works like normal tolerance...only backwards. The more you do in a given short amount of time, the less you need to have the same or a greater experience. This sole factor is what makes Salvia completely non-addictive. Moreover it is also not habit forming except in extremely rare cases.

Ego & Ego Death - The ego is a very difficult to describe part of your mind that actually serves the function of separating the conscious experience from the unconscious mind. It is that part of you which is involved in Identifying yourself. The tool by which it preforms these functions are pride and attention/focus. To understand this better, Google it. Read Carl Jung a famous psychologist who wrote a lot of books Dr. Phil finds particularily helpful in understanding it, the unconscious and the function of the mind as a whole. It is by Ego Death and the abolition of Identity whereby one's consciousness loses all bearing on the world as becomes capable of otherworldly experiences. As the Salvia Experience goes, Dr. Phil calls this distinct event 'jumping the fence.'

Salvia Space - Dr. Phil likes to Call this the Umbra because to him it that shadow essence that is unconscious mind when one removes the Ego and perceives only their mind in it's whole state. For those who have many things hidden in their unconscious mind Salvia and Salvia Space can be a scary concept.

Salvia Laugh - That inane hollow cumpulsory laughter that some experience when using Salvia. Combining with Marijuana tends to evoke this.

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4.The Salvia Experience

Many desribe something akin to 'Ego death'. A loss of identity. A feeling of being an inanimate object of some kind or another. Some say they feel like a book or that they are part of the floor or the chair they are sitting it. Like one is being removed from this reality and into some other. This, along with a strange kind of non-physical tingling sensation are the description of the Near-Umbra. There is no explination of the Umbra. Experiencing it is like experiencing a Dream. It's metaphors and existence are unique to every individual and it manifests uniquely for each. What YOU experience there is is beneficial for. Visiting Salvia Space or the Umbra is a distinct occurance. You may feel like your experience was 'trippy' but you will without a doubt know you crossed the barrier, that your ego died, that you 'jumped the fence.' Mostly because you will have no ability to think 'Hey I'm here! I did it!' or more specifically if you can wonder 'Am I there yet?" the very presence of the concept of I being recognized by your mind indicates that you have in fact, NOT gotten there yet.

Beyond the Umbra is Something Jung Refered to as the 'Collective unconscious' or the 'Deep Umbra' as Dr. Phil refers to it. Herein lies the mind of every creature, spirit, and human ever to have existed, to exist, or yet to exist. It is an entirely theoretical/hypothetical realm. Dr. Phil has not experienced it but only theorized about reaching it with Salvia. Dr. Phil does not recommend going there because what one may encounter is entirely outside the realm of an individual's own mind and one may not be able to return from such a journey though it has inevitably been a dream of Dr. Phil's as long as he can remember and yet the very idea is the only thing in the known world that gives him fear. And Dr. Phil has spent his entire life trying to scare the holy fuck out of himself.


5.Guide to Smoking Salvia

Covering here material arguments first then methods.

- Lighters & Bic vs. Torch
The Psychoactive chemical Salvinorin A must become very hot to vaporize. As such to get the maximum effect from a given quantity of Salvia it is best to use a Torch lighter since Bics and normal lighters/flames do not heat up the chemical enough to be fully effective. This isn't to say that it won't work with a Bic lighter. Just that it won't be nearly as effective and you will waste more Salvia

Advertizers will misleadingly call their products all kinds of shit so you have to analyze the lighter itself to be sure of what it is. The Stone lighter has a little metal coil or a stone on a wire over the butane spout and spit out butane slower than a Jet lighter. Stone lighters are typically advertized as having a color changing flame that usually turns green from blue. Stone lighters are not particularily effective at smoking Salvia as they do not get much hotter than a typical Bic and are really just a cheap marketing scam when their real use is basically for Crack Cocaine. The Jet lighter doesn not have anything over the spout except a little node on the side where the spark ignites the butane. The Jet is what you want to smoke Salvia with because It produces the hottest flame as its original design was for welding. These things are typically used for smoking crystal meth and tend to be designed to break before too long so that tweakers spend shitloads of money on them. Find the cheapest ones and grab a few. Zippo now produces these while Dr. Phil hasnt had the pleasure of owning one of them he'd imagine they won't break as easily as the typical ones because they are covered by the same lifetime warranty regular Zippos are. They run in the same price range as some of the nicer Zippos.

- Pipes vs. Bongs.
Some people profess that a pipe is equally effective. Dr. Phil, from experience, disagrees. You may still recieve some effect from the Salvia in a pipe but it's just not conservative on a product that is a commodity and Dr. Phil feels should not be wasted by any means. He feels strongly about this and regards it as disrespect to the plant itself.

In summary Dr. Phil maintains that a Torch lighter and Bong are essential to achieving the maximum experience from Salvia. A given hit really regardless of currently inverted tolerence, amount, strength or tools will last roughly 5-10 minutes.

All that said we can move on to methods and details of smoking. Some say you should start low. Like with 5x or 10x. They say no more than 20. Dr. Phil Started with 40x and prefers 50x (NSE) from a well reputed internet seller. The only REAL difference is that dosing is difficult to determine at higher concentrations.

Here Alfa posts a great depiction of dosing Guidelines in the Basics sticky:
http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/sho...9&postcount=22

Concerning the actual physical experience of inhaling:
http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/sho...6&postcount=12

Dr. Phil thinks it is not bad advise to recommend using a narrow pointed knife to pick up a pebble sized dose with the tip. Better off starting with less as they really are right. Starting small is really a good idea. 40/50x is fairly highly concentrated it will take very little. 1 gram of 50x is roughly 20-30 hits the way Dr. Phil doses it out for himself and those he has introduced to it. One shouldn't even need to remove the slider or use the carb on a bong to clear the chamber as be able to see the product completely burnt in the bowl. The first few doses should be extremely small.

In this great entheogen the reverse tolerance serves us so well. You can dose small and move up to an escalated experience after the effects wear off. Dr. Phil even in his experience likes to use these baby steps still every time he smokes. Building up an RT with two or three hits gets one mentally prepared for the experience. Then on that third or fourth hit loading a double dose to give him a full lung and holding in as long as possible really gives him that 'blast off' necessary to 'jump the fence'.

Dr. Phil recommends waiting the five minutes or so for the effects of a dose to wear off so that the reverse tolerance can settle in and one can gain ones bearings before going back out there. However when he knows that next hit or so is gonna put him over the fence he will do two double doses in rapid succession packing the fourth bowl while holding the third in and hitting it after just a couple of breath needed to replenish his oxygen levels.

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6.Using a Quid

As Dr. Phil has no personal experience in this area he really cannot state personal opinions but the Quid method is the traditional method for the Mazatec Shamans who originally used the herb. Sublingual induction is said to induce less intense and prolonged experienced. Ideally one uses fresh leaves but if only dried are available rehydration is a less acceptable but viable alternative. The taste tends to be the biggest aversion to most who attempt this method. This post is the best suggestion Dr. Phil has seen though I've not seen any reports on it being tried:
http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/sho...30&postcount=9

Effects tend to be 15-20 minutes with prolonged experiences going up to 30. Based on a report Dr. Phil read on Erowid by a man who claimed to have visited the Mazatec Shamans and Chewed a Quid with them, he think the best method of use for this is to roll up a fairly tight inch diameter or so wad of fresh leaves and take a bite of and just chew it up like gum until the taste is undesirable and spitting it out to be replaced with a fresh bite. After a few minutes or so if one can stand the taste just adding to what one is chewing will produce more intensity. The guy claimed to have achieved something we would describe as a level 4-5 experience though most reports only give 2-3 for quid reports in exception of extremely sensitive users. However Dr. Phil think those mazatec Shamans would ahve known the best way to shew it and get the highest levels of experience so he thinks there is a reporducable method of attaining level 4-5 experiences. He is interested in trying this but has nowhere to grow Salvia yet but will probably be trying to next year.

7.Tinctures

Salvia is soluble in Alcohol and thus alcoholic tinctures have been devised to allow Sublingual induction. The reports match those of the Quid reports in that levels 2-3 are common but 4-5 are more rare. Experiences are prolonged and less intense being 20-30 minutes or so on average. The downside to the tincture method is that you must hold it in your gums and under your tongue which are sensitive areas that the alcohol will have a tendancy to burn. If you can handle mouthwash for over a minute a 50-50 dilution of 80 proof tinctures (with water) would be effective in achieving the experience desired. Tinctures never really interested Dr. Phil because he reckons the burn would likely interfere with the experience.

8.Miscellaneous Alternative Methods

The blotter method can be used for both smoking or sublingual induction. Here is a recent thread Dr. Phil found about making one though he has seen better posts around here about this with better methods and will add it when he digs it up.
http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2566

Dr. Phil is interested in using this for the sublingual method because is would be effective at removing the taste, preventing the burn and prolonging the experience.

I think there was a post calling for reports on rectal administration but no one ever replied with any such reports. ~.^ Some jackass had to suggest it though.

9.What doesn't work or how not to Waste your Salvia

Plain and simple don't eat it. If you swallow Salvia or Salvinorin A it will be broken down in your stomach and made completely psychoactively ineffective.

10.Best of DF Salvia links

Compiling as of yet feel free to make suggestions but Dr. Phil is God Aweful fucking tired after taking 3 hours to write this. IN threads rife with garbage if you see a single good post the URL to the post itself outside of the thread is better if it can be had outside the context of the thread.

11.Miscellaneous related information
Dr. Phil was going to put something here but can't remember what. This guide shows up on page two of a google for 'Dr. Phil Salvia'

12. For Christ's sake just let Dr. Phil get some sleep already. Feel free to suggest information you feel should be contained in a guide claiming this title. Suggest sections or even write them yourself! Technically this guide is incomplete. Dr. Phil will be back tommorow to adjust the formatting.

Reputation Comments on this post:

	ah, a much needed, strait forward guide to prevent nubs. Good work!
	Bravo sir and again, Bravo! Excellent guide and excellent use of the s.a.h of a doctor's name.