Injecting - Why not just once or twice?

[General Grievous]

swim has never tried this but if ever offered the chance would take it. if he got a really good trip on the first time he wouldnt do it again cuz of the extensive proof of the horrible side effects of being a regular user. so swim curious if all of u knew where it could go if swiy became a regular user, why did swiy keep doing it? swim thinks once is enough to satisfy his curiosity..that would go with meth two..but he wouldnt know since hes never experienced it...his guess is that the feeling is so amazing it gives the user an unbelievable experience that the cons outweigh the rewards to using?

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[MarkyMayhem]

Well, you do it once, and then it's so good, or insidious that you do it again, if you're predisposed towards that sort of thing I guess.. then you do it again and again.. and after you cop a habit, you wish you'd NEVER tried it even once.

so please don't

[Politicalchalk]

The Lancet has a little chart that shows the top 20 drugs of concern, and heroin is by far the highest in terms of physical harm and dependence.

[Junkhead23]

Originally Posted by Politicalchalk

The Lancet has a little chart that shows the top 20 drugs of concern, and heroin is by far the highest in terms of physical harm and dependence.

That is bullshit!!!

Heroin is the least toxic of all drugs including alcohol and nicotine. In theory if not injected SWIY could take heroin for the rest of your life with no physical problems!!! Worst for dependence maybe but physically it does no harm

[Nahbus]

Well, in SWIMs eyes it's just a myth to get super hooked right away. Maybe it's just him, I don't know, but SWIM snorts heroin for the most part, and probably stops use once or twice a month to break up his long use, just so it doesn't build up so bad. He goes through semi-withdrawals once or twice a month, nothing too bad.. sure it sucks, but it sure beats trying to kick heroin after a year of doing it (he has been doing dope for over a year, but with this on-off strategy which works great for him).
Anyway, SWIM does inject it, but only once in a while. Very rarely, actually, but just to spice things up with him and his girlfriend on special occasions.
So it is possible to only shoot it once in a while, and also possible to do heroin for years without being insanely hooked, and to also avoiding severe withdrawals.
It can be done, and relatively easy once you get in the groove of doing this.
Sure, SWIM probably isn't in the majority with his methods of use, but he is so happy with his life and is very successful with a career that he loves, and he's been on heroin for over a year.
If you are strong willed and strong minded and you HONESTLY want to shoot it once in a while, you can shoot it once in a while. SWIM isn't condoning it at all, but from HIS experience, it can be done.

[Solinari]

I am sure it would be referring to abuse of illicit heroin and the damage it can cause people through improper use of needles and contaminated (as in not pure/sterile) street heroin.

But yes, clean sterile diamorphine is very safe and isn't toxic at all. I would go so far as to say that even injecting sterile diamorphine shouldn't cause any problems apart from puncturing the skin, i doubt missing a vein would cause any problems at all. Some drugs can seriously damage the surrounding tissue but diamorphine should be fine, no abscess, no infection.

As for once or twice, it's the same for anything, take it in excessive amounts and you're going to cause problems both mentally and physically. Using heroin everyday is bullshit and it's a waste of time and money, it causes too many problems and if you realise it or not, it will severely impair your judgement.

[Junkhead23]

Originally Posted by Solinari

I am sure it would be referring to abuse of illicit heroin and the damage it can cause people through improper use of needles and contaminated (as in not pure/sterile) street heroin.

But yes, clean sterile diamorphine is very safe and isn't toxic at all. I would go so far as to say that even injecting sterile diamorphine shouldn't cause any problems apart from puncturing the skin, i doubt missing a vein would cause any problems at all. Some drugs can seriously damage the surrounding tissue but diamorphine should be fine, no abscess, no infection.

As for once or twice, it's the same for anything, take it in excessive amounts and you're going to cause problems both mentally and physically. Using heroin everyday is bullshit and it's a waste of time and money, it causes too many problems and if you realise it or not, it will severely impair your judgement.

and that is the reason why it should be legalised!!

[superdupernaut]

Nothing wrong with a little joy-bang every now and then. To develop a physical habit it takes scores of injections taken regularly.

[Roscco]

Originally Posted by superdupernaut

To develop a physical habit it takes scores of injections taken regularly.

Well this SWIM will stand pround and say either SWIY has got a wicked drug taking disposition or thier gear is wank.

Sure, smoking the shit got SWIM a habit, and for financial reasons SWIM turned to the pin but hell no, if SWIM'd known or seen where i't go would SWIM've got hooked up regular? Nope.

Good gear, 1 hit, 3days on the go, i promise you'll know about it

BEST ADVICE : STAY CLEAR, but SWIM knows that he had to know better (same as most other SWIY) so understands new addicts.

[InsaneNcrazY]

SWIM lives in a city that gives out free needles so SWIM always has a sterile needle. As for purity SWIM can never be too sure. SWIM has always got off white vinegar smelling H and has never felt ill. When SWIM does do H SWIM does quarter gram (0.25) for two or max 3 days before not doing it again for a week.
Tolerance stays low and no physical withdrawal is noticed. Veins sometimes look like bruises. Most people can not look past the point that it isnt that bad for you and it feels amazing yet withdrawing you from reality and real life. It is a great drug if you can use it in moderation. If your real life starts crumbling addiction is a serious possibility beause it allows you to let go of all control and feelings.

[beena]

In SWIMs case she began using heroin to comedown from crack-cocaine, which she was already addicted too. Heroin completely got rid of any comedown and she liked it for how it made her feel anyway. She kept getting some when she smoked crack and being addicted to the first substance she had no control over how often she used: days tend to merge together. She might've used heroin four times in a week but if someone asked her she might honestly answer that she thought she'd only used a couple. Addiction just kind of crept up on her. If she had her wits about her she might have known but being an addict already her life was out of control at that point anyway. What began with cocaine addiction has led to the point that SWIM is at today: addicted to four substances including crack-cocaine, heroin, morphine tablets (MST) and tramadol. SWIM needs to use the last three of those mentioned every day now just to say physically healthy. But crack was her first drug of choice and addiction and so she has an incredibly strong mental desire to take crack. Although heroin addiction at its worse is truly horrible and worse of all addictions, SWIM would probably still take it if faced with the same decision because of the way it helps her comedown from crack-cocaine. If anything, SWIM wishes she could go back to the time in her life when she was first offered crack ... so she could say NO.

[superdupernaut]

Originally Posted by beena

heroin, morphine tablets (MST) and tramadol. SWIM needs to use the last three of those mentioned every day now just to say physically healthy.

putting aside swiys cocaine use, this sounds more like a general addiction to Narcotics, rather than three seperate addictions.

I would bet that if Swiy had a sufficient supply of just one good narcotic (heroin, morphine, oxycodone, fentanyl) she could stay well on that alone.

[Lisa J]

I would bet that if Swiy had a sufficient supply of just one good narcotic (heroin, morphine, oxycodone, fentanyl) she could stay well on that alone.[/quote]

SWIM is prescribed fentanyl & methadone and uses heroin regularly, she could easily stay well without using heroin but finds each drug though very similar does actually bring something slightly different. SWIM loves smoking fent & heroin together but IVs them on their own, slightly prefering fent over heroin. If SWIM won the lotto tomorrow she would still use both fent & heroin but could easily drop oral methadone. SWIM is taking a break from smoking/IVing fent due to developing a huge tolerance, the withdrawals were a little shorter than she's had with heroin but much more intense, and she was still wearing patches and using methadone at the time! SWIM has enjoyed long periods where she's used now & then but it only takes a bit of stress or depression and the use soon builds up into full blown addiction, she knows this but can't stop doing it.

[beena]

^ hmm, SWIY is certainly right regarding the heroin/morphine addiction. SWIM was using and got addicted to morphine about a year before she even tried heroin. She built up a huge tolerance to morphine to the point where her needs outweighed her supply. She was experiencing physical as well as mental addiction to opiates and it was around this time that she started using heroin. After being on heroin for a substantial period of time she found that she could no longer get high off morphine as the amounts needed were obscene! Despite this SWIM would still find herself using large amounts on the days she didn't have heroin and it wasn't just to deal with the physical withdrawals from heroin, rather her mental addiction was such that she couldn't be happy just taking a couple of morphine tablets - she would always end up abusing them.
SWIMs addiction to morphine and heroin should, as SWI-superdupernaut rightly pointed out, be classed as one addiction: an addiction to opiates.
SWIM can go without morphine if she has ample heroin and vice-versa, but because of the mental hold they both have on her if SWIM has access to both on any particular day she will take both. This is why SWIM separates them and treats them distinctly.
SWIM has been taking tramadol longer than both the morphine and heroin and she started using it recreationally as an opioid it gave her a mild buzz, but once she began using morphine she soon found the tramadol stopped giving her any kind of high that could be compared with that of opiates. SWIM continued to use tramadol regularly though as she found they worked for her as an effective anti-depressant because (it has been widely documented on this forum as on other websites) they have SSRI properties. SWIM has suffered with depression, nerves and anxiety for a long time and no treatment had been sucessful for her. Tramadol seemed to work.
SWIM would say tramadol is a separate addiction for her as when she was on methadone and able to stop using morphine and heroin for a time she was still unable to stop using tramadol and was advised by her drug-worker at the time that they were going to have to treat it as a separate addiction. SWIM is physically and mentally addicted to tramadol. If she doesn't use them she gets brain zaps (something associated with withdrawal from SSRI medication), sleep paralysis and night terrors to begin with, followed by severe flu-like symptoms, insomnia and severe depression. Neither morphine or heroin can be used as a substitute for her tramadol addiction. SWIM must use 100mgs of tramadol (which isn't a huge amount: she has successfully cut down from 400mgs) each day, regardless of whether she uses morphine or heroin to avoid getting the above withdrawal symptoms.
SWIMs crack-cocaine addiction is her longest addiction. She has been a crack addict for nine years and it is the stongest mental addiction. SWIM always buys crack with heroin and it is a separate addiction. Whereas the other drugs SWIM takes are opioid or opiates and therefore depressants, crack-cocaine is a strong stimulant and therefore it must be treated as a separate addiction. SWIM could use a grands-worth of crack-cocaine in a night and still need heroin or morphine as her body needs it to function. The same with tramadol: no amount of crack-cocaine is going to negate her bodies physical need for it.
So, I guess you could say that SWIM has three addictions:
1) Opiates
2) Tramadol
3) Crack-Cocaine

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[superdupernaut]

Interesting, I did not know that about tramadol, I thought it was just a weak, pseudo-narcotic drug...

Oh can anybody fill me in on what it means if ones "gear is wank"?

[beena]

SWIM would sum it up like this: the euphoric effects of tramadol are weak but the withdrawal effects are not!

[Junkhead23]

If your gear is wank it is crap

[ScorpioSunshine]

Swim thinks it may be possible to do it once and walk away, but swim says "please do not take that risk".

Swim tried it last in 2003 and was not addicted, but swim has received advice that there may be a psychological addiction, since swim has had non-stop fantasies about heroin for a long time now, and is considering doing it again. Obviously it can be more powerful than even swim imagined!!

Swiy or swiae needs to just not test the theory.

[humdroid]

Y hasn't but has known many lucky ex-addicts who have a long struggle behind them, and more junkie experience than Y can imagine.
They say, the only ones who do H once or twice in their lives, don't keep it up, as they don't actually like the feel of it, as not everyone gets opiates, the ones who like it, well............

[maletwickenham]

Swim would do it once if he had the chance. He feels he would be able to control the addiction because of the cost value. He stopped smoking because he did not like spending money, so should be able to control it. Swim does not have any long term drug uses due to money issues does not even go to the pub on a Friday night because of it.

If Swiy smokes and has tried and failed to give up then swims advice would be not to try heroin. Also note Swim would not recommend any one try heroin but does understand the need for experiential drug use.

Watch loads of stuff about the bad effects of heroin to help make swiy's mind up.
movies such as Requiem for a Dream and black tar The Dark Side of the Street are good.

[Blu_berrytoke]

I understand what your saying jon-q. I'm very well aware of how addictions work. You are of course, completely right, I'm more or less just playing the devils advocate.
Swim has used H twice in his life now, no other ocassions. swiy has obviously had a rough time with H. All swim is trying to do is point out that the experience can be worth it, if you don't let it go beyond a single use.
I'm not saying it's not dangerous and risky, but swim has used only a couple times in his life, and has no urges to do so again anytime soon.

As far as injecting 2-cb, wow, swim used to deal with large amounts of pure 2-cb, and wish swim had thought about trying that. Swim loves to induce highly intense trips on swimself, and that sounds interesting. Swim is going to have to try that soon. thanks for the idea

[Blu_berrytoke]

swim has tried it once simply to try it. And it was an extremely great experience. It made swim understand HOW you could become addicted to it, and made him more sypathetic and understanding of people who were addicted.
And personally, it made swim feel better (body-wise) than any other drug out there. Swim separates drugs into two major catagories, body and mind. H is a purely body drug, it feels like the biggest waving orgasm all over. And then it's done, and it's been a year and a half since swims experience, and swim has never gone back to it. Swim is young though, and may try it once or twice more in his life. Swim would def recommend experimenting with it, but not over-indulging.

[Roscco]

Originally Posted by betsym

Swim is ADHD and tried crack maybe 2-3 times with no effects.

SWIM also has/had ADHD and thought this might have been a contributing factor to SWIMs' drug (ab)use. Maybe not ??? SWIMN finds drugs are used mostly due to boredom cause his mind wanders if not CONSTANTLY amused with something. Maybe/maybe not ? Anyways.

SWIM LIKES drugs but not the habit part

[superdupernaut]

Originally Posted by betsym

Roscco, having to keep swiy's mind CONSTANTLY entertained IS ADHD so, um, yeah....swiy's got it and swiy is right on about it being a contibuting factor in some ADHDers' drug use/abuse because many will often self-medicate and not even realize WHY. Boredom is indeed a major factor, but not the only one because just as many "normal" peeps get bored easily as well. Usually the more intelligent the person, the more of a mental stimulus is required to keep the brain busy and happy.Some smart/gifted kids get misdiagnosed with ADHD because of this very thing. Swim has 3 gifted daughters so she knows about this. Of course this does not mean that intelligent and gifted peeps can't or don't have ADHD because, as swim proves, they CAN. In fact, there is a HIGH incidence between having ADHD and high intelligence/creativity and vice-versa. Celebrate! .

What does it mean to be 'gifted'. Is it some sort of euphamism for a certain mental condition.

[Blu_berrytoke]

This thread has been getting alot of people saying its not a good idea to try.
Swim would still remention that experimentation can give a you a completely different out look on things, overindulgence will take the simple experience away and replace it with addiction.
Swim has had no "cravings" to try H again, and swim LOVED the feeling, and would have loved nothing more than to try it again soon after.
For swim though, he just turned that around and made that the reason to not use it again, or if ever again not for a very long while, after swim had more or less forgot the feeling.
Swim also wanted to comment that if you are aware that you have an easily addictive pesonality, he'd recommend taking the advice of the above posts, and don't do it, in the off chance that it will quickly turn from use, to abuse. Definitely though, try it if you trust yourself enough to not begin down the path to addiction.