Dose - Can one take single dose of MDMA for pleasant a 6 hour roll?

[wiredchild]

SWIM believes there may be sniffer dogs at the venue he is attending tonight and although he knows many many friends who have successfully done so, he is reluctant to carry.

SWIM finds this strange as it is well known that almost everyone who attends the event will be rolling, but just to be safe he wants to take a single dose when leaving, perhaps followed by a second, smaller dose just before arriving to see him through a 6 hour night.

SWIM wants to know what people would recommend for a sweet happy roll but nothing that will make him gurn like a fool. SWIM weighs about 64kg and is around 170cm in height, he is also quite new to MDMA. He has good quality crushed MDMA rocks from a trusted source.

[samsa]

Swim finds it is remarkably easy to smuggle illicit substances past security, however he cannot ever advise this. Although your best bet, if you are completely against this you would still find yourself having a good time up until the waning hours of your event.

For the sake of shits, giggle, and guesstimation, swim would say your method would land you amongst the sober about four hours in. taking any more before you enter and you would surely fry.

[wiredchild]

SWIM fears you may be right and he knows there's nothing worse than being halfway through the party and losing the buzz with nothing more to keep it going. He reckons it might have to be an in-the-pants job.

[RaverHippie]

absolutely one dose can do a dog in for the night. The recommended amount is about 120mg, then if necessary a 75 mg booster an hour or so later. May your dog bark in happiness to the music all nigh long.

[Cryptic Concoction]

It is difficult to definitively give a single dosage that would suit SWIY and his size, given that different people will react differently to the same drug. Between 75mg and 120 mg should suffice, assuming that he is not extremely insensitive to the effects of mdma (and of course, this comes with the assumption that the substance he has is pure mdma).

SWIY should definitely keep in mind that with mdma, more is not better, and increasing dosage will not increase positive effects past a certain point. At a certain dosage, the user will reach the peak of the dose-response curve for the desired effects and an increase of dosage will only increase adverse side-effects such as increases heart-rate, blood pressure, dehydration, muscle tension, and body heat.

Once SWIY has reached a state of intense euphoria, it is highly unlikely that an increase of dosage will significantly increase the positive effects of mdma. SWIM finds that he reaches the peak of his dose-response curve (for desired effects) at about 100 mg, and if he increases the dose from this point it serves to increase the negative side-effects (e.g. increased blood pressure) without any increase in desired effects (e.g. euphoria).

A single dose should provide a rapturous experience that spans 6 hours, and if SWIY reaches the peak of his dose response curve with that first dose, a second dose will do very little to retrieve euphoria as it tapers down. Keep in mind that a single dose will vary from person to person for a variety of reasons. Also, it is recommended that SWIY refrain from eating beforehand, as this will likely interfere with quick absorption.

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In addition, please research the potentially negative consequences of MDMA and instruct SWIY to approach this substance with vigilance. SWIY and only SWIY is responsible for his body, his mind, and his health.

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[SWWRRA]

SWIM would disagree with some of the posters, here, 1/8th of a gram would most likely keep SWIY raving for around 3/4 hours, the last couple of hours would be on the way down. SWIM would suggest SWIY perhaps either risked carrying
-which SWIY would nearly certainly get away with, dogs used outside venues are almost certainly for show, and not actually trained sniffer dogs, in addition, even if they were, they would be more likely on the lookout for coke, and finally, such dogs can only remain active for 40 minutes, so a small amount of timing would get you through, a good bet is to scout them out, if they're something big (wolfhound, german shephard whathaveyou) then they're probably for show, most sniffers are king charles spaniels or labradors. -

or alternatively drop half straight and half in a double wrapped bomb, that way it would act as a booster dose later on and keep you on the speedy effects (which tend to leave before the euphoria dose)

[TMM]

100-120mg is standard, but I disagree that it will last 6 hours. 4 hours or so before it really starts to tail off. A boost at the 2-3 hour mark would be necessary if SWIY wants it to last that long.

[Aar0n]

Originally Posted by TMM

100-120mg is standard, but I disagree that it will last 6 hours. 4 hours or so before it really starts to tail off. A boost at the 2-3 hour mark would be necessary if SWIY wants it to last that long.

Got to agree. 4 hours would be pushing it perhaps with a slight bit of tolerance, IMO. A lot of SWIM's acquaintances manage to get through half a gram in a night of about 6-10 hours. Sometimes they've done closer to 0.75g, which is foolish indeed.

[Conkermon]

Wow SWIM wonders what's wrong with him. He doesn't have massive tolerance and had not taken MDMA or any other substance (aside from K which shouldn't make a difference) since early August. Yet he finally got hold of some good MDMA (good according to his friends) went to a rave and didn't get the eurphoria/rushing he hungers for.

With the quanities being talked about here and the amount SWIM took he's perplexed as to why he felt so little of the desired effect.

Is SWIY suggesting that SWIM would get greater effects from taking less? He understands that re-dosing and taking more in an attempt to bring back the euphoria never does any good but taking less to bring the effects on more strongly seems strange.

Here is what SWIM experienced with his MDMA and why he is confused:

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As SWIM was not seeing his friend who got him the MDMA before the rave he asked his friend to make bombs for him. The friend made two 1/4 gram bombs and he and SWIM did a bomb together. After an hour SWIM felt some effects but he was not experiencing a strong or even a gentle come-up, he just felt some mild effects.

In contrast the friend who dropped at the same time was feeling good and another friend who got MDMA from a randomer was utterly off his face having been unprepared for the strength of his MDMA.. He was in the smoking area outside in the freezing cold rolling around on the floor (and briefly in puke). While this was very amusing (don't worry SWIM says he and his friends took care of the guy and he had a good night), SWIM was angry that his friends were so fucked while he was feeling so little. It should also be noted that SWIM's friends go to a different uni to SWIM and have done MDMA regularly since August and so in theory should have much more tolerance than SWIM. Oh and another thing - all of SWIM's friends had been drinking, as had SWIM although SWIM had drunk less than his friends and was only a little drunk and weights less.

Anyway after waiting over an hour SWIM took his other 1/4 bomb and did a couple of dabs. After doing this SWIM began to feel the effects but he didn't experience a come up (annoying as he likes that sensation) and he didn't experience any euphoria/rushing. Instead he went straight to being totally mashed, he had lots of energy and enjoyed raving but he was gurning like mad and tripping out. He had lost all his friends (a mild annoyance but SWIM wasn't too bothered) and was constantly zoning out and finding himself grabbing randomers shoulders in front of him accidentally and then realising what he was doing and apologising.

Oh and finally SWIM ended up puking his guts up and feeling rough at the end of the night. This happens him most times he takes pills but not often on MDMA. He has never worked out why he gets sick from pills and has put it down to an empty stomach for want of a better explanation. On this occasion he speculates that it might have been the heat in the club and the fact that after he lost his friends he lost his supply of water and went without a drink for a fairly significant period of time. Also maybe the quantities although he's been ill on small quantities in the past and has been fine taking significantly more (well more MDMA anyway).

[phatassone]

if swiy use MDMA or XTC rarely, a dose of 200mg of pure MDMA would probably last you 4 hours...

[Readux]

no thats not true. 200mg would only be needed if SWIY has a tolerance or is really heavy, but both is not true in this situation. SWIY seems to have little experience in mdma which would allow lower doses. try 100mg, roughly one pill thirty minutes before entering the area, and then another 50-100mg right before entering. This would give SWIY a 4 hour roll and 5 hour is pushing it. 6 hours is unheard of and is very very unlikely. But in SWIMs opinion, losing the roll before the night ends is horrible, and the risk of taking it in is worth it.