Effects - Does alcohol effect ecstasy

[mightyj17]

how does alcahol effect ectasy? My experimental elephant asked -

i noticed when i take ectasy with alot of alcahol i get really bad memory loss is this normal.Ive never had memory loss on alcahol alone.

sometimes ive popped 2 pills and continued to drink alcahol and have no memory of about 75% of the night.Also wake up in places and have no idead how i got there.

But if i take pills them swith to drink pop/water i dont get no memory loss.I took 7 pills one night with zero memory lose after switch to none alcahol drink .Why is this?

[FrogEye]

Alcohol and ecstasy do not mix. It does cause memory loss and it can also lead to passing out, dehydration, bad roll. Alcohol is really not advised for taking MDMA with. If SWIY is used to drinking alot like SWIM is he could get drunk, wait about an hour, have a few waters and sober up, then take a pill, but this is still not advised.

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also it seems you havnt read the rules, please read again, particularly the part about self incrimination!!

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Good advice.

[Cryptic Concoction]

Alcohol simply should not be combined with MDMA. Firstly, a significant negative consequence of using MDMA is dehydration, and alcohol will undoubtedly exacerbate the dehydration that the user experiences.

There is already a great deal of uncertainty regarding the composition of pills purveyed as ecstasy, and it would be an unwise to decision to amplify the already present risks by combining ecstasy with another drug that is known to produce dehydration.

Regarding your question about alcohol and memory: it is not surprising that you experience memory impairment with alcohol use, given that alcohol is thought to disrupt the functioning of the hippocampal formation, a region of the brain implicated in learning and memory (particularly the conversion of memories from short-term to long-term explicit memories), as well as interfere with long-term potentiation--which is thought to serve as an underlying mechanism in learning and forming new memories.

Regardless, it is not advisable to combine alcohol and MDMA, and it may lead to more deleterious consequences than short-term memory impairment.

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Good advice/harm reduction

[KomodoMK]

I completely agree with everything Cryptic has said above, great advice.

I'd also add that, for most it seems, alcohol actually negates some of the buzz, less euphoria and less of that loved up feeling. Much better without - shame little fishy realised that too late.

[BrainMelt]

Originally Posted by KomodoMK

I completely agree with everything Cryptic has said above, great advice.

I'd also add that, for most it seems, alcohol actually negates some of the buzz, less euphoria and less of that loved up feeling. Much better without - shame little fishy realised that too late.

Swim definitely had that. All the times when he took E pills after drinking, it seemed like the roll was not nearly as good as its supposed to be. It was much less euphoric.

[Cryptic Concoction]

It would seem reasonable to speculate that the combination of alcohol with MDMA, along with being a potentially fatal combination, may obscure the clarity of the MDMA experience.

[ScorpioSunshine]

Swim agrees with those thoughts. Swim never desired to have alcohol during those experiences. Swim never wanted anything to interfere with her ride.

[static_vodka_420]

swim would suggest staying away from this combo

the mdma/whatever else is in swiys "ecstacy" mixing with the alcohol will obviouslly increase effects.. that was swiys whole reason for doing it right? that is the reason swiy cant remember shit swiy may also want to take into acount that mdma is an upper that may mask the effects of alcohol causing swiy to drink more then they intended then suffering from it later on.. swim says been there done that.. fun sometimes more often not.. alcohol tends to ruin the "trippy" effects of mdma while increasin the general "fucked upness", disinhibition some people report, and physical sensations if swiy understands what swims getting at


the part that swiy only loses memory when mixed with alcohol is not surprising... alcohol is a depressant and a hard dtug in its own right and they do tend to bring on memory loss in swims experience

also if swiy enjoys this combo to much to quit just yet( which belive swim is completelly normal just not advisable) be sure to drink plenty of water as alcohol as well as mdma dehydrate one and take a vitamin supplement or something the next day to replenish all those nutrients lost during swiys experience

if swiy wishes to continue usage swim reccomends using smaller doses of more potent product eg tested pills as every drug used to cut "ecstacy" mixes with alcohol in a different way

also in swims experience mixing pills known to contain methamph with alcohol = one pissed off drunk childlike swiy
and mixing with pills known to contain ketamine = serious stomach disturbances and profuse vomiting in swims experience

have fun and be careful, swiy can decide which comes first lol

[geezaman]

SWIM has combined E and alcohol many times usually to excess. It is a much different experience to E alone and has often left SWIM with no memory at all.
He believes one factor in this is that more is drunk, as the body attempts to stay hydrated and being on E gives SWIM at least the ability to consume alot more alcohol.

SWIM would suggest a few beers or ciders will take away from the Es euphoria and give no benefits, SWIMs drink of choice strong vodka and orange takes away from the pill but gives an unparalleled alert and awake deep drunkenness.

But as has already been said its not advised, Hangover will be worse, though comedown wont be, if the pill is not clean alcohol only adds problems, hydration/dehydration issues much increased, as are the possibilities of having to deal with not remembered unforeseen circumstances upon waking the next day.

Harm to the brain and liver are also increased by this combo

Peace Geezaman

[Jasim]

Mightyj17 PLEASE remember to use SWIM 'Someone Who Isn't Me'.
Posting in first-person will result in being banned from the forums.

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Ethanol is a relatively dangerous drug anyway, contrary to popular belief. Swim wouldn't recommend mixing it with anything if swiy doesn't know exactly what the biochemical effects of the two together will be. Alcohol can potentiate some drugs, but its more likely to just lead to increased toxicity.

[Lettish]

Swim finds it difficult to not consume alcohol before going out with a view to using ecstasy. Usually, him and his friends will go out and hit some bars or pubs beforehand, and naturally consume a few alcoholic beverages. Yes this breaks the ice and makes Swiy feel more relaxed, etc, but Swim really believes it affects his roll when he eventually uses the ecstasy. For Swim, the alcohol delays the onset of the roll and sometimes makes him feel a bit nauseous. Without alcohol, the roll feels cleaner and the come up is better/quicker.

[KomodoMK]

Originally Posted by Lettish

Swim finds it difficult to not consume alcohol before going out with a view to using ecstasy. Usually, him and his friends will go out and hit some bars or pubs beforehand, and naturally consume a few alcoholic beverages. Yes this breaks the ice and makes Swiy feel more relaxed, etc, but Swim really believes it affects his roll when he eventually uses the ecstasy. For Swim, the alcohol delays the onset of the roll and sometimes makes him feel a bit nauseous. Without alcohol, the roll feels cleaner and the come up is better/quicker.

Little fishy can fully understand that, Alcohol always seems to be that ice breaker than kicks off most sessions, regardless of if it's intentional or not. It is nicer to be able to go out for an evening with friends drinking then when everywhere closes go back to a friend's house and continue the party long into the early hours and beyond. The night would be over way to quick otherwise in little fishys opinion.

He also agrees with your opinion on how the effects change after alcohol has been consumed and finds that the whole experience is dulled with less euphoria and that wonderful loved up feeling tends to become mild or non existent.

[RaverHippie]

Originally Posted by mightyj17

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[beena]

SWIM always drank alcohol before and during taking ecstasy. Because she did it this way from the very first time she took ecstasy I s'ppose it became habitual. Whatever the reason SWIM just knows that she couldn't contemplate doing ex without alcohol. SWIM's drink of choice was always double vodka redbulls too so perhaps the caffeine drink was also a factor but SWIM just knows the euphoria was enhanced if she'd had quite a few drinks prior to taking the ex. The only 'criticism' (if you can call it that) of doing it in this way was that sometimes the alcohol would slow down the ex pill(s) taking effect. Instead of coming up 30 mins to an hour after taking it she would sometimes have to wait 2 or 3 hours. That only usually happened though after a period of sustained using (for example if she was using 4 or 5 days in a row on the 5th day she might have to wait longer to 'come up' on the pills).
SWIM never experienced memory loss or any negative effects at the time that could definately be attributed to the drug use and alcohol. SWIM does suffer with memory loss now but she thinks that is due to the drugs she is currently using (crack-cocaine and heroin).
SWIM would just like to add that she isn't encouraging or promoting the use of ecstasy and alcohol merely stating her own patterns of use in the past.

[Can'tSwim]

My mate often combines the two.

He found that he could drink like a fish, if he had come up on MDMA / pills first. Not that he recommends it. The best nights that he has is where he is self-disciplined enough not to drink, but he finds that hard as alcohol is often a social drug that people do before clubs etc.

However, if he had drunk more than 4 pints before hand then it was hard to snap out of the alcohol feeling. If he had drunk a skin full then it was an 'overload' on his body, leading to memory loss etc. Not good.

The difference is one of control. He finds that when has done MDMA he is in control. However, if he has drunk a lot as well then the alcohol is in control.

[acid101]

Originally Posted by FrogEye

Alcohol and ecstasy do not mix. It does cause memory loss and it can also lead to passing out, dehydration, bad roll. Alcohol is really not advised for taking MDMA with. If SWIY is used to drinking alot like SWIM is he could get drunk, wait about an hour, have a few waters and sober up, then take a pill, but this is still not advised.

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also it seems you havnt read the rules, please read again, particularly the part about self incrimination!!

Ah, alas FrogEye you live in Australia. By Australian legislation, it is not against the law to be 'on something' as someone may put it. Though is illegal to sell or possess an illicit substance. Though you're right, the rules on this forum are a different story and everyone should remember that other countries have different laws! So please be careful when posting and keep on SWIMming


Though in regards to alcohol and MDMA consumption, my friend Monkey
says that whilst drinking alcohol and using ecstasy he finds this -

1) He can drink like a fish - without getting pissed (though eventually he drink himself to drunk) aha.
2) He finds that drinking and rolling cause the roll to be less intense. And it's much cruisier and less 'smacky'.
3) That you piss too much! Which means you run the ecstasy through your system too quick! As you consume ecstasy it is dissolved in your stomach so when you urinate ecstasy leaves your body. And the more you urinate the quicker it leaves.

[FrogEye]

Originally Posted by acid101

Ah, alas FrogEye you live in Australia. By Australian legislation, it is not against the law to be 'on something' as someone may put it. Though is illegal to sell or possess an illicit substance.

Yeah very true and thank god. Once when SWIM was outside this club having a ciggy with a few mates who were all feeling as high as one another some cops walked past and SWIMS wondering eyes just happened to look the cop straight in the eye and the cop was looking at SWIM and could see SWIM was really high on something. He just narrowed his eyes at SWIM and almost said something but then got a call on his radio and went off. But still if they find shit on you you're fucked.

[acid101]

Originally Posted by FrogEye

Yeah very true and thank god. Once when SWIM was outside this club having a ciggy with a few mates who were all feeling as high as one another some cops walked past and SWIMS wondering eyes just happened to look the cop straight in the eye and the cop was looking at SWIM and could see SWIM was really high on something. He just narrowed his eyes at SWIM and almost said something but then got a call on his radio and went off. But still if they find shit on you you're fucked.

Aha, yes Monkey says that it's very common for police to patrol major areas of Australian nightclubs. Due to the fact that Australia has the largest rate of consumption of ecstasy per capita in the world! So therefore police are constantly patrolling to ensure that the drug trade in and around there is stopped and that nobodys lives are endangered. As you would know some of the nightclubs in Australia are pretty wild aha.

To never get caught, you just have to be smart. And not have anything on you in the first place. Think about that one, aha

[Psychonaut08]

swim drank a few bottle of wine and did a quarter gram bomb, just had a gurn going on really didn't feel much of the MD.
other times swim has had a few beers and a few bombs and felt much better, but he has to agree that it's so much nicer when you have a 'pure' rush because all being drunk does is make u feel more fucked and messy as opposed to nice.

[Jasim]

Due to the high variance of the actual drug in a "ecstasy" pill, swim is wondering just how valid some of these statements are with respect to MDMA + Ethanol. Any input?

[KomodoMK]

Originally Posted by acid101

3) That you piss too much! Which means you run the ecstasy through your system too quick! As you consume ecstasy it is dissolved in your stomach so when you urinate ecstasy leaves your body. And the more you urinate the quicker it leaves.

What are you going on about? You really should spend sometime educating yourself about pharmacology and drugs in general before making such random statements. As has been said to at least one of your previous posts, please add sources to verify your information. Ecstasy is metabolised in the liver mainly by the CYP2D6 enzyme. It does not just dissolve in your stomach and get passed straight through your urine... what a bizarre thing to say.

[acid101]

I was simplifying the entire process. As the question wasn't being asked of HOW it was broken down. The question was in regards to alcohol and ecstasy's combination. P.S by the sounds of it, I think someone is just trying to cause a bit of trouble here. Why react like that to a post? And also, the only post where someone questioned what I had to say I posted a link regarding it. I was slightly off the mark, though every now and then who isn't.

Although, yes you do piss it out eventually! The more you drink the quicker it is passed through to be broken down then which in turn it is expelled from the body! (Some does store in body fat though.)

So why don't you relax a little. No need to be like that, sweetheart. aha

[kylems]

Originally Posted by mightyj17

how does alcahol effect ectasy? My experimental elephant asked -

Swim noticed that as well. Swims first time blacking out from alcohol swim was on 3 caps and during the night swim popped another 3 that swim doen't remember. Swim has yet to black out from just alcohol. Only from either caps, weed and alcohol, or caps, acid, weed, and alcohol.

When swim had the six some guy came over and told swim he was dehydrated and needed water so swim went and drank some without question. Swim was fucked night. Never being that stupid again.

[Jasim]

Originally Posted by KomodoMK

What are you going on about? You really should spend sometime educating yourself about pharmacology and drugs in general before making such random statements. As has been said to at least one of your previous posts, please add sources to verify your information. Ecstasy is metabolised in the liver mainly by the CYP2D6 enzyme. It does not just dissolve in your stomach and get passed straight through your urine... what a bizarre thing to say.

Well, yes and no. MDMA conjugates will be drawn into the bladder more quickly if one urinates more frequently. But here we are talking about an MDMA conjugate, an inactive MDMA metabolic product. One could argue that removing the MDMA conjugate could pull the equilibrium to the right causing quicker conjugation. But that seems rather speculative to me.

EDIT:
The 'dissolving in the stomach' really has nothing to do with any of this.

[KomodoMK]

Originally Posted by acid101

I was simplifying the entire process. As the question wasn't being asked of HOW it was broken down. The question was in regards to alcohol and ecstasy's combination. P.S by the sounds of it, I think someone is just trying to cause a bit of trouble here. Why react like that to a post? And also, the only post where someone questioned what I had to say I posted a link regarding it. I was slightly off the mark, though every now and then who isn't.

Although, yes you do piss it out eventually! The more you drink the quicker it is passed through to be broken down then which in turn it is expelled from the body! (Some does store in body fat though.)

So why don't you relax a little. No need to be like that, sweetheart. aha

You seem to have taken my post out of context, it was not meant to cause trouble or insight an argument in any way shape or form, I apologize for that.

The point I was trying to get across is that it is best to post sources to back up any claims. Many bold claims get made on this forum, and as you have probably noticed, many are conflicting or contradictory. Just trying to prevent the spread of misinformation that's all!

Would you be able to point me in the direction of some data/information regarding the storage in body fat? I know this is fairly well documented for THC but as far as I am aware the pharmacokinetics in relation to MDMA are still relatively unknown.