Effects - Withdrawal extent

[ExperiencedUser]

This Swimmer has been injecting heroin for about three weeks several times a day. How bad do you think the withdrawal effects will be if this swimmer were to stop cold turkey?

[InstantKarma]

It will be tough...probably physical symptoms for about a week and cravings for long after. But if you're up for the task, do it now because it only gets worse with time.

[ExperiencedUser]

So you think it will be pretty rough or something tolerable, This swimmer has only been using for three weeks so this swimmer can't imagine it being that bad.

[Junkhead23]

Doesnt matter how long SWIY have been doing it in my experience. It goes by how much SWIY have been taking

[dyingtomorrow]

It will be extremely, indescribably bad. The fact that you never experienced it before might actually carry you through though. The first time SWIM did it he made it through (he was only snorting tho, and it took 3 full days) because he didn't fully understand what it would be like, and was able to keep pushing forward waiting for the end. In SWIMs experience they get worse over time. After you have been through withdrawals a bunch of times you understand how bad they can get, how long they last, and this understanding of it makes the dread of them even worse. SWIM and some of his other experienced H buddies and his brother have all tried to kill themselves in the height of IV withdrawal at some point just to give you an idea.

If possible, SWIY might want to switch back to snorting and go down as much as they can.

If not, SWIM would guess that they will be equally extreme and bad, but will go away sooner than for someone who has been doing it for months and years.

And what Junkhead said.

I really don't think it will be tolerable though. If you aren't at rock bottom now, SWIY will definitely be doing anything for it 48 hours later. Best to get on something in SWIMs opinion.

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[mickey_bee]

Originally Posted by dyingtomorrow

It will be extremely, indescribably bad. The fact that you never experienced it before might actually carry you through though. The first time SWIM did it he made it through (he was only snorting tho, and it took 3 full days) because he didn't fully understand what it would be like, and was able to keep pushing forward waiting for the end. In SWIMs experience they get worse over time. After you have been through withdrawals a bunch of times you understand how bad they can get, how long they last, and this understanding of it makes the dread of them even worse. SWIM and some of his other experienced H buddies and his brother have all tried to kill themselves in the height of IV withdrawal at some point just to give you an idea.

Mate you really are a bit of a drama queen
Three weeks of constant use really won't be that horrifically terribly awfully bad.
Ital be a pain in the arse sure, but it's definetly doable if swiy actually wants to stop.
Heroin withdrawal can be pretty horrible yeah. swims been through it many times, and makes it swims personal business to try an avoid going through it at all costs.
I'd say get off it now, with only three weeks of use......swiy'll feel pretty much fine by day 5, and should only have 2/3days of proper illness.
Good luck, and remember, if you can't go cold turkey from this now, then it's only gonna get harder the longer you leave it.

I.e. don't turn out like me.

[dyingtomorrow]

Originally Posted by mickey_bee

Mate you really are a bit of a drama queen
Three weeks of constant use really won't be that horrifically terribly awfully bad.
Ital be a pain in the arse sure, but it's definetly doable if swiy actually wants to stop.
Heroin withdrawal can be pretty horrible yeah. swims been through it many times, and makes it swims personal business to try an avoid going through it at all costs.
I'd say get off it now, with only three weeks of use......swiy'll feel pretty much fine by day 5, and should only have 2/3days of proper illness.
Good luck, and remember, if you can't go cold turkey from this now, then it's only gonna get harder the longer you leave it.

I.e. don't turn out like me.

I'd guess from your comments that you either don't get very good quality stuff, or you haven't done it that long. At least around here, only snorting the stuff for a week straight and you will be sick as fuck for 3-4 days. IVing for 3 weeks and you are going to have it really, really bad.

But like Junkhead said, it depends on the quality/amount. Usually H newbies get on it because of an addict "friend", who is frequently milking them before they learn anything (cutting with dormin, or selling dimes as dubs), so maybe there is something to what you are saying, if he's getting crap H or skimpy shit. Like you apparently

[Junkhead23]

Yeah you right there SWIYDyingtomorrow. When SWIMS feet start moving and SIM gets that knot in the stomach SWIM knows he has to get some and quick.

The anxiety is the worst thing for SWIM

[ExperiencedUser]

Well this Swimmer has experienced withdrawals before after being on vicodan for about eight months and then coming down while out of town. Swimmer was up to 100mg a day and was using hydromorphone simotaneously but had an unlimited supply of xanax so it wasn't that bad. Once again this swimmer does have a pretty unlimited supply of klonopin and doesn't think it will be as bad as its made to seem. Once again, the frequency of use may have been a alot but the actual use time was not that long and is not expecting such harsh withdrawals. Was kinda looking for a more realistic idea of what to expect...

[MarkyMayhem]

Dude, with that frequency and length of use, you'll likely not get much more than a case of the runs and some sleepless nights. And an [almost] insatiable craving for opiates, of course. It won't be sh*t physically...

[Junkhead23]

Should be a breeze for SWIY if you got loads of benzos to take.

[Nahbus]

SWIM agrees with mickey_bee. It's not going to be the end-of-the-world-commit-suicide-it's-hopeless kind of deal. SWIY will probably feel like crap and a bit depressed for a little bit, but it's not something SWIY can't handle.
Benzos should help, perhaps even Immodium combined with benzos, vitamins, healthy eating and forcing yourself to get up and exercise (if even going for a walk).
It's best to just keep SWIYs mind off of it, smoke a lot of weed and try to get benzos, and also read into other opiate withdrawal remedies.
SWIY should be fine
Best of luck. But like everyone else said, you should get off it now, and at least go through the withdrawal, and then, if you are strong willed, only do it every so often so you don't get sick again. If SWIY isn't the type of person that can just do it a little bit then SWIY probably shouldn't do dope.. It can really make your life hell.
But yeah, don't psych yourself out thinking it will be the worst thing ever, just eat right, take multi-vitamins, try to exercise, and if possible, get some benzos.
Good luck!

only snorting the stuff for a week straight and you will be sick as fuck for 3-4 days

Good lord. Maybe SWIY might be the one getting cruddier dope? SWIMs only experienced real bad withdrawals from such short durations of use from kinda nasty bags..
Everyone is different, though.. perhaps SWIY is just more susceptible to having bad withdrawals?

[dyingtomorrow]

Originally Posted by Nahbus

Good lord. Maybe SWIY might be the one getting cruddier dope? SWIMs only experienced real bad withdrawals from such short durations of use from kinda nasty bags..

That doesn't make any sense at all. The higher quality dope you get, the higher your tolerance goes, and the worse withdrawals you have.

I can only guess you are from a small town or something? Never heard of "nasty bags" before, but you don't get withdrawals from the cut, so it makes no sense that bad dope would give you worse withdrawals. 3-4 days bad sickness for lower level heroin snorters just common knowledge in Chicago - granted it is one of the biggest if not the biggest H cities in the country. There's a noticeable difference between the quality / price in the West Side / South Side and the suburbs (45 minutes away) alone, so I'd imagine it gets weaker / more expensive further away from the main hubs of Chicago / NY, ergo maybe my advice isn't really applicable to smaller city / town people.

[Nahbus]

Only if you consider New York City small . I understand the logic with higher dope quality leading to worse withdrawals. It obviously makes sense and I am not disagreeing with you there. But SWIM also thought that some people DO, in fact, use horrible substances to cut dope with, and surely those mysterious substances can make a withdrawal worse.
I wasn't trying to say you get bad dope or anything, don't get me wrong, I was just putting out that possible scenario.
Of course doing dope for a week straight will give you withdrawals, SWIM just never went through (and he's been through WDs way too many times) a week of doing dope, having the withdrawals make him want to commit suicide or anything that crazy. A weeks worth of dope is usually pretty tolerable for him (albeit he is grumpy and feels like hell)
SWIM just thinks some people experience withdrawals differently than others, and perhaps SWIY just might feel worse off than SWIM does with the same dope/duration/use.

Also, the "nasty bags" SWIM refers to are the bags that one would get from a grimey junkie who would resell a bag with more cuts or something, just to feed his habit. Obviously swimmers would try to avoid this, but sometimes shit happens and you end up trusting someone you shouldn't have.

[SmokeNmirrors]

About a week for swim pending on how much he has been doing and the cravings seem to never go away.

[ExperiencedUser]

Thanks for the input, this swimmer got the jist of what to expect. DyingT I think you might take things a little too personally, we all don't get high quality dope as we all do not live in the capital of dopetown, USA. This swimmer lives very close to the border so the dope the swimmer does get is pretty damn good compared to some shit he's heard about. Everyone is different...