Originally Posted by Jasim
All of this is subjective and any correlations are spurious.
For the above, Agreed. But there are much more definitive studies with more controls that show that in altered states these 'psy' phenomenon do increase substantially. Human consciousness still holds many mysteries, we would be fools to think we have it all figured out. The history of science tells us that every time we think we have it all figured out, in reality we never have.
Well, I'm a hard skeptic of these things and always have been, but I'm a skeptic with a very open mind. I have found over the years a few good scientific studies in journals that support the idea of some sort of unconscious link between peoples minds and thoughts, and the possibility that altered states make it easier to access these connections in some way. Call it "telepathy" if you want. I could go all quantum theory on you an speak about quantum entaglement between particles and how its been shown that altering one particle on one side of the universe can instantaneously effect particles billions of lightyears away on the other side of the universe, but this still remains to be linked adequetly to psy phenomenon in my opinion. Though I am a fan of Dean Radins work on this.
One thing I think needs to investigated more is sleep telepathy (being an altered state of consciousness like that induced by drugs
), because I've had my own experience with this, a number of times. I've dreamt of exact situations that happened a few days later, and one day I had the exact same dream as my brother, who was able to fill me in on what happened when he left my dream, which fitted mine with uncanny precision. Undeniable proof of telepathy? No way. But it happened.
Studies show that around 50% of us claim to have had a telepathic dream, where we've somehow recieved information without the use of our normal senses. Some good scientific studies on this were performed in the 1970's by Stanley Krippner et al, now often reffered to as the maimonides studies. And they did show appreciable results.
TELEPATHY AND DREAMS: A CONTROLLED EXPERIMENT WITH ELECTROENCEPHALOGRAM-ELECTRO-OCULOGRAM MONITORING.
Journal of Nervous & Mental Disease. 151(6):394-403, December 1970.
KRIPPNER, STANLEY PH.D.; ULLMAN, MONTAGUE M.D. 1
An Experimental Approach to Dreams and Telepathy: II. Report of Three Studies Am J Psychiatry 126:1282-1289, March 1970
On each night a target (art print) was randomly selected by an agent who spent the night in a distant room attempting to telepathically influence the subject's dreams, which were monitored by EEG techniques and tape recorded. Typed transcripts were sent to outside judges fbr blind comparisons with the targets. For each study, the ratings given the actual target-transcript combinations were significantly higher than those given the incorrect target-transcript combinations.
And studies since then have shown a small, but quite consistant, correlation between the dreams of the subject and what the other person is seeing and trying to make them dream about.
Heres a slightly more up to date publication on these experiments and the work done since:
A Review of Dream ESP Studies Conducted Since the Maimonides Dream ESP Programme
Source: Journal of Consciousness Studies
, Volume 10, Numbers 6-7, 2003 , pp. 85-109(25)
We review the dream ESP studies conducted since the end of the Maimonides research programme. Combined effect size estimates for both sets of studies suggest that judges could correctly identify target materials more often than would be expected by chance using dream mentation. Maimonides studies were significantly more successful than post-Maimonides studies, which may be due to procedural differences, including that post-Maimonides receivers tended to sleep at home and were generally not deliberately awakened from REM sleep. Methodological shortcomings of some studies are discussed. Nevertheless, home dream ESP research has been successful and continues to be a less expensive and less labour-intensive alternative to sleep-laboratory-based research. We hope that interest in dream ESP research will be re-awakened.
And documentary was made about this work and aired by the BBC, which I uploaded here if U wanna check it out:
secrets of sleep - sleep telepathy Pt2 of 2
Part one is more just anecdotal stories than the more interesting scientific research. The odds of chance explaining the results of the experiments has been since calculated to be 75,000,000 to 1. Which is hardly a negligable ratio, statistically speaking.
And those interested in this may want to check out the gamsfeld experiment
, especially the work done on this at Edingburough Universities psychology department, but now also many other universities around the world. Theres also various studies done with twins that show when they are separated from each other when one is shown an emotional stimulus their galvonic skin responce will jump at the same time, even though one of them is miles away from the other and is unaware of when this happened. And studies that show people respond emotionally to pictures milliseconds before they actually see them. Might post some info about these studies when I've more time. And the're plenty of other studies that suggest there is some type of subtle effect. You just need to know where to look. Its very easy to buy into garbage in this area, so keep to the respected scientific journals only. Might start a new thread actually now I've been reminded of this.