He was wondering what the best way to measure in milimeters, without any equipment whatsoever. Considering the dosage/response curve for this chemical accuracy is very important. Any ideas would be welcome, he was thinking of using an eye-drop container as a way of measuring it, any idea how much 1 drop would be in ml? or perhaps a fraction of a teaspoon would be a better method, any idea how many ml would be in 1 teaspoon?
SWIM was a bit disappointed in the lack of information on 1,4b he could find on the web. If anyone has any personal experiences they would like to share, exspecially in comparison to straight GBL or GHB, SWIM would appreciate it. Its my understanding its basically the same as drinking lactone with additional toxic and inebriating/stupefying effects like alcohol compared to the clean ghb high. Doesnt sound too great, but anything that could replicate the effects he used to have on GHB sounds good enough for SWIM right about now.
sorry can't help SWIY with "1-4butanediol" but SWIY should use a seringe for dosing...SWIY can get that from a pet shop or something like that...
the dosing with anything else would not be precise enough.
Go to the drug store and ask for a 3ml syringe. Take home remove needle and throw away safely. Take a pair of wire strippers or anything sharp and very easly scratch marks on 1ml, 2ml and 3ml. You need to do this since the markings will be removed from the syringe by the BD.
SWIM started using a teaspoon to measure doses. 5ml taken in spaced out doses (he drank half, then sipped the other half over the next hour-2) was right for him. 1 teaspoon=5ml so that works out perfectly.
I wrote a lengthy report on his further experiences (and quick, minor addiction), but it was deleted for an unknown reason. The jist of it was that SWIM had a very mild withdrawal with worrysome cardiovascular problems for about 3 days after a 10 day 24/7 binge. He said the 14b high could best be desribed as taking a dose of GHB with a beer, slightly worse than GHB, but much much better than GBL. He stopped for a week then decided to go back on it, with the plan of 3 days on 2 days off to hopefully be enough to prevent serious addiction.
The post was deleted because, as will be the same for any other posts of a similar nature from any user, it was full of subjective, reactionary and, most importantly, unverifiable claims as to the supposed toxicity, effects and addiction profiles of the substances concerned.
The requirement for posting "facts" regarding any substance on this forum is that it must be supported by links to verifiable research (medical/scientific literature). Those that wish to post experiential reports are welcome, but not to then claim that their opinion, as a result of this personal experimentation, is anything other than that, an opinion.
Anyone can claim to be speaking the truth, many might believe they are, but only a tiny fraction are even capable of understanding the nature of linguistics to even come close to posting truly objective information.
"The post was deleted because, as will be the same for any other posts of a similar nature from any user, it was full of subjective, reactionary and, most importantly, unverifiable claims as to the supposed toxicity, effects and addiction profiles of the substances concerned.
The requirement for posting "facts" regarding any substance on this forum is that it must be supported by links to verifiable research (medical/scientific literature). Those that wish to post experiential reports are welcome, but not to then claim that their opinion, as a result of this personal experimentation, is anything other than that, an opinion."
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I just posted an experience report that i heard about from someone who used the chemical. I didnt state any facts that would need to be backed up by a research arcticle, perhaps some speculation based on his personal experiences (opinion), thats about it. I think there was some good information in that post, exspecially considering the lack of 14b info around here, i was really suprised to see it deleted.
best advice if SWIY doesn't have any sort of pipette, or other precise device is to determine the molecular mass of the solution (either mathmatically or from a chemical index) and figure out the weight of 1 ml of solution, then add what dose is intended to be put in on a tared scale and add set weight. This can be done using a coffee stirrer or other small straw and dipping it in the solution and covering the opposing end with ones thumbs to create a seal. remove thumb to release.
an eye dropper is something that can be bought cheaply anywhere. it is designed to be used to dose out fractions of a mil each drop. use the same weighing method
hope that helps
Last edited by gmeziscool2354; 02-12-2008 at 06:59.
Reason: spelling
Ok, this needs to be the last post in reply to the "where did my report go" because we are seriously heading off-topic.
The report, whilst written as a subjective viewpoint, still referred to things as "evil yawns that have only one cure" - this is not even self-explanatory, how are people supposed to even know what an "evil yawn" is? The rest spoke of vague toxic suggestions and self-induced addiction. Addiction is dependent on the individual in most cases, so one cannot lay claim to state that it has a fast addiction profile, no dosing regime was even mentioned other than to state that 180ml was consumed over a period of days, so no clue there as to why the person concerned would be experiencing these vague symptoms.
Anyhoo, end of. Apologies if you're miffed that the report about your friend got cut, but we need 1,4b information that is written in a way that does more than simply scare the bejeebus out of the reader.
SWIM was a bit disappointed in the lack of information on 1,4b he could find on the web. If anyone has any personal experiences they would like to share, exspecially in comparison to straight GBL or GHB, SWIM would appreciate it. Its my understanding its basically the same as drinking lactone with additional toxic and inebriating/stupefying effects like alcohol compared to the clean ghb high. Doesnt sound too great, but anything that could replicate the effects he used to have on GHB sounds good enough for SWIM right about now.
Heres a reply swin made to another thread today,http://www.drugs-forum.co.uk/forum/s...5&postcount=11 it is about BDO, and has some comparisons of effects between ghb and gbl. Swin doesn't like to get super blitz on BDO, so his doses are normally in the 2-2.5ml range, but will occasionally go through around 5 ml over the course of 3 hours. As far as swin goes BDO is not as good as GHB, or even GBL, but is a valid replacement for the two, at least for a while. To date swin hasnt noticed any toxic reactions, even when he used multiple times daily. This might not be the same for everyone. Be careful of addiction, as I feel BDO is more prone to causing a physically addiction then GHB.
Good luck , be safe, and everyone please, please, please... Don't do anything stupid and bring this chemical to the forefront of the DEA's eyes again. This includes, addiction, Driving while intoxicated, passing out in public, or overdosing!!!
