Effects - SWIM's Cannabis Freakout Story

[THeGaME--]

About 2 years ago SWIM was at school like normal, SWIM was very tired so SWIM wound up drinking 2 full throttles (the big cans, yes 2) to wake him up. Well it did the job well and at lunch he decided to go to his buddies house to blaze and eat. SWIMs buddies were very experienced and SWIM was fairly new to weed at this point. He passed SWIM a bong and packed him a nice bowl. SWIM blazes the whole bowl and almost instantly he starts feeling queezy. He gets up and goes to the bathroom, feeling like he was going to throw up. All of a sudden he hears his heart beating INSANELY fast and starts FREAKING out. He starts getting really hot. Rips off his clothes and opens the window letting the cool air hit his face (the window had a screen on it) I just leaned agaist the window to calm myself down. I was still freaking out. I opened my eyes and saw only colours, and his heart kept beating INSANELY fast. He was trying to calm himself down, feeling like he was going to die. He kept saying to himself "ur gunna be okay ur gunna be okay ur gunna be okay" really fast. SWIMS friends enter and are immediately concerned. They ask if I want to go to the hospital and SWIM says "no" because SWIM knew that they would probably pump my stomach and SWIMs parents would find out. So SWIM just stood there trying to black out. SWIMS friends say that SWIM was continually kneeing his wall and dancing. SWIM ended up kicking a hole into his wall not knowing it.

After 2 excruitiang hours SWIMs friend drives him home, he gets inside and he was hoping that his parents werent home. SWIM makes little noise (even though he knew no one was home)... SWIM tres to go to bed, but his heart is still beating to fast. So SWIM stands in his room for hours waiting for his heart rate to go back to normal. SWIM then realiazes that his liter is in the kitchen. He walks around his house very slowly and quiety even though he knew no one was home. He gets his lighter and slowly makes his way back. He eventually goes to sleep and wakes up 4 hours fine and ready to party and get drunk.

Anything like this ever happen to you?

[discodave]

thegame this is a classic panic attack (on top of drunkeness). swim isnt belittling it, swim has had several themselves. this is classic symptoms. do something scarier to burn urself out of reaction or smoke less than makes u paranoid. only 2 solutions. swim liked the burnout at first, then decided the less smoke was a more pleasant high. but this is a classic panic attack. lots of people have them. especially on strong weed. try purple haze its much nicer high.

oh and gear after wine, feeling fine, wine over gear, feeling queer.

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Very true.

[Coconut]

Originally Posted by THeGaME--

About 2 years ago SWIM was at school like normal, SWIM was very tired so SWIM wound up drinking 2 full throttles (the big cans, yes 2) to wake him up. Well it did the job well and at lunch he decided to go to his buddies house to blaze and eat. SWIMs buddies were very experienced and SWIM was fairly new to weed at this point. He passed SWIM a bong and packed him a nice bowl. SWIM blazes the whole bowl and almost instantly he starts feeling queezy. He gets up and goes to the bathroom, feeling like he was going to throw up. All of a sudden he hears his heart beating INSANELY fast and starts FREAKING out. He starts getting really hot. Rips off his clothes and opens the window letting the cool air hit his face (the window had a screen on it) I just leaned agaist the window to calm myself down. I was still freaking out. I opened my eyes and saw only colours, and his heart kept beating INSANELY fast. He was trying to calm himself down, feeling like he was going to die. He kept saying to himself "ur gunna be okay ur gunna be okay ur gunna be okay" really fast. SWIMS friends enter and are immediately concerned. They ask if I want to go to the hospital and SWIM says "no" because SWIM knew that they would probably pump my stomach and SWIMs parents would find out. So SWIM just stood there trying to black out. SWIMS friends say that SWIM was continually kneeing his wall and dancing. SWIM ended up kicking a hole into his wall not knowing it.

After 2 excruitiang hours SWIMs friend drives him home, he gets inside and he was hoping that his parents werent home. SWIM makes little noise (even though he knew no one was home)... SWIM tres to go to bed, but his heart is still beating to fast. So SWIM stands in his room for hours waiting for his heart rate to go back to normal. SWIM then realiazes that his liter is in the kitchen. He walks around his house very slowly and quiety even though he knew no one was home. He gets his lighter and slowly makes his way back. He eventually goes to sleep and wakes up 4 hours fine and ready to party and get drunk.

Anything like this ever happen to you?

That would have been about 300mg of caffeine SWIY consumed. Combined with the cannabinoids, it is no wonder SWIY's heart began racing. Mixing high doses of caffeine and cannabis is a very bad idea in my tree's opinion. The effects are unpredictable; it is likely to lead to tachycardia, fast breathing and the fear of having heart failure as a result.

Something similar happened to my tree once - he had a panic attack after smoking 3/4 of a bowl but had not mixed it with any other substances. His heart was racing and he had this feeling of absolute dread and paranoia, as if someone with a knife was watching him from the shadows. This hasn't happened since.

This is why it's probably a good idea to have some benzodiazepines lying around.

[Mr. Giraffe]

My cat concurs with the caffeine + weed = bad equation, but would like to add one more thing about the weed smoked. In this instance, the weed was clearly hydroponic, since the effects were felt immediately. There is a radical difference between organically and hydroponically grown weed, and my cat reports that in the case of the former, the high takes almost an hour to fully peak, while in the case of the latter, the peak occurs almost immediately.

Consider quitting caffeine and upgrading your weed supply!

[cannabis-sam]

There is a radical difference between organically and hydroponically grown weed, and my cat reports that in the case of the former, the high takes almost an hour to fully peak, while in the case of the latter, the peak occurs almost immediately.

Hydro or organic doesn't change the high or the potencty thats a genetic and conditional thing. Hydro just makes the plants grow a bit bigger. I can't see it radically altering the high.

[Mr. Giraffe]

Originally Posted by cannabis-sam

Hydro or organic doesn't change the high or the potencty thats a genetic and conditional thing. Hydro just makes the plants grow a bit bigger. I can't see it radically altering the high.

My cat begs to differ; the Cannabis College says there's a major difference as well. Hydro weed is a much less balanced product than organically grown product, and the difference in radiation, flavour and effects are pretty dramatic.

[norami]

swim has had almost the exact same thing happen to him, 2 energy drinks at work to pick him up, smoked more than the comfort level, panic attack. extremely rapid heart beat, shaking, serious anxiety. swim tends to get extremely anxious from smoking, but only if he smokes too much over the comfort level. swim usually splashes cold water on his face a few times, drinks alot of water, and tries to eat something, whether he is hungry or not. take down the high as much as possible, then work on telling swiyourself you're fine and that you know what's happening and why, and that it will go in a bit. next time, smoke inside your level, esp now that you know that you may be prone to panic attacks from smoking too much, and try not to combine with caffeine.

[Shampoo]

Originally Posted by Mr. Giraffe

My cat begs to differ; the Cannabis College says there's a major difference as well. Hydro weed is a much less balanced product than organically grown product, and the difference in radiation, flavour and effects are pretty dramatic.

Can you please provide a source for this? and some reasoning as to why an inorganic growth medium would produce qualitative differences in psychoactivity? Why would hydroponic cannabinoids be absorbed rapidly and organicly grown cannabinoids take up to an hour to show effect? This makes no sense.

Cannabis, whether grown in organic soil, or chemically fertilized water culture, aeroponic or hydroponic, will produce the same psychoactive components: cannabinoids, namely ∆-9-THC, CBN, CBD...etc. These active ingredients are not going to be altered in their membrane solubility as a result of growth conditions for the plant. They may appear in different quantities, or in higher or lower concentrations, but will not have different pharmacokinetics. The cannabinoid structure is not effected by the growth medium, and as a result will still be absorbed rapidly through cappilaries in the lung and become active in the brain in a very rapid manner.

Also, what do you mean by the difference in "radiation"? What kind of cannabis is SWIY smoking that contains radiated atoms fluctuating in energy states and releasing particles? If this is meant to be a supposed common effect of using non-organic nutes, I assure you it is not.

Finally, just to make this clear: hydroponic growing is not necessarily inorganic. Many people grow organic, hydroponic cannabis. The differentiation between organic and inorganic comes from the nutrients and physical growth medium, not the method of watering.

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Too many people say things without knowing if they are true. Good for you to question.

[Mr. Giraffe]

I acknowledge the points raised by Shampoo above, and please be aware that I am primarily relying on my cat and other cats' reports; also, as I said, the Cannabis College and their acolytes are pretty hot on organic growing. I am reporting what I have heard from people who would consider themselves experts including accomplished growers.

As to why the composition of the plants might vary, the answer probably lies with the effects of the nutrients on the plants. Anecdotal evidence suggests that when these nutrients are not properly flushed, they have a very noticeable effect on the experience, from taste to effect.

As far as the radiation claim goes, well, I'm not going to die in a ditch for that; it came up during an interview with a grower who says he got the info from the Cannabis College. Perhaps 'radiation' was a misnomer on his part, I don't know.

Also, I used hydro as shorthand for inorganic, intensively grown, chemically fed, etc. and for that, I sincerely apologise!

[Pope Albacore]

Originally Posted by THeGaME--

About 2 years ago SWIM was at school like normal, SWIM was very tired so SWIM wound up drinking 2 full throttles (the big cans, yes 2) to wake him up. Well it did the job well and at lunch he decided to go to his buddies house to blaze and eat. SWIMs buddies were very experienced and SWIM was fairly new to weed at this point. He passed SWIM a bong and packed him a nice bowl. SWIM blazes the whole bowl and almost instantly he starts feeling queezy. He gets up and goes to the bathroom, feeling like he was going to throw up. All of a sudden he hears his heart beating INSANELY fast and starts FREAKING out. He starts getting really hot. Rips off his clothes and opens the window letting the cool air hit his face (the window had a screen on it) I just leaned agaist the window to calm myself down. I was still freaking out. I opened my eyes and saw only colours, and his heart kept beating INSANELY fast. He was trying to calm himself down, feeling like he was going to die. He kept saying to himself "ur gunna be okay ur gunna be okay ur gunna be okay" really fast. SWIMS friends enter and are immediately concerned. They ask if I want to go to the hospital and SWIM says "no" because SWIM knew that they would probably pump my stomach and SWIMs parents would find out. So SWIM just stood there trying to black out. SWIMS friends say that SWIM was continually kneeing his wall and dancing. SWIM ended up kicking a hole into his wall not knowing it.

After 2 excruitiang hours SWIMs friend drives him home, he gets inside and he was hoping that his parents werent home. SWIM makes little noise (even though he knew no one was home)... SWIM tres to go to bed, but his heart is still beating to fast. So SWIM stands in his room for hours waiting for his heart rate to go back to normal. SWIM then realiazes that his liter is in the kitchen. He walks around his house very slowly and quiety even though he knew no one was home. He gets his lighter and slowly makes his way back. He eventually goes to sleep and wakes up 4 hours fine and ready to party and get drunk.

Anything like this ever happen to you?

SWIM is in agreement that this is a panic attack and is very common in drug users of all types. The caffeine could not have helped either. SWIM says that an overload on any chemical is likely to bring on a panic episode.

SWIM says to consider taking it easy by dosing low with ANYTHING, especially something new to SWIY. This will allow the chemical to introduce its effects slowly to SWIY that way the next time a bigger dose is taken SWIY will have an idea of what to expect.

As far as mixing chemicals goes; SWIM does not recommend this for novice users. SWIM says again to always know what SWIY is taking and research possible interactions with other chemicals. Even though some chemicals may seem harmless(like caffeine) they may have adverse reactions when combined with other agents.

-Pope Albacore

PS- SWIM says that the so-called "energy" drinks are full of BS that could cause a panic attack on their own.

[herostyle]

Yeah SWIM's friend has experienced something like this. However, I do not think it dealt with hydroponics. But it was similar to what SWIY experienced. SWIM's friend couldn't sleep for awhile, SWIM thinks it was a very unpleasant experience for him.

[discodave]

swim enjoys caffeine with cannabis. a few cups of coffee while smoking are very pleasant for them. it's good advice what they are saying not to mix your chemicals as a novice, but once swiy is more comfortable with the effects of cannabis and able to control or avoid panic attacks swim recommends revisiting caffeine with cannabis as it has a nice synergy.

btw alcohol and cannabis do not combine well in most people

[PsychoActivist]

SWIM knows about this all to well. He gets it almost every time he smokes now. Maybe not quite as bad as SWIY described. But his face gets hot and flushed and his blood pressure goes up and it is completely anxiety filled.

The weird thing with SWIM is he used to love smoking herb and it used to never have this effect on him. He smoked pretty much every day from the time he was 16 till he was around 21 or 22. As he got older it started giving him the panic attacks. It's so weird. Every once in a while he will still smoke but he has to either be drunk or on benzos or he cannot handle it.

[cannabis-sam]

psychoactivist why don't you try just taking a couple of drags on a small joint then stop and slowly build up as you feel comfortable maybe you're smoking strong stuff and aren't used to it

[PsychoActivist]

Originally Posted by cannabis-sam

psychoactivist why don't you try just taking a couple of drags on a small joint then stop and slowly build up as you feel comfortable maybe you're smoking strong stuff and aren't used to it

Nah it's not that, because SWIM has such a low tolerance for herb that he gets blazed off of like 1 hit of some crappy mids lol!.
As far as being not used to it, this almost definitely correct. Because SWIM smokes so seldomly he definitely is not used to it (anymore). But it's not something that can be avoided by smoking less.
As he said if he has a little bit of alcohol in him or is on some benzos, it's cool. Some times he enjoys it when he is by himself though.

SWIM wishes his tolerance from other drugs (mainly Opiates) was as low as it is for buds. He always makes jokes like "Man I can take 8 xanax bars and boil up and drink a cup of poppy tea made with 10 golf ball size pods etc.
But that weed shit fucks me up!!"

[cannabis-sam]

swim wishes his tolerance from herb was much swim finds an eighth of high grade weed smoked in about an hour is enough to get him high if only a couple of puffs got swim high he would save a lot of money.

Has swiy tried any smoking alternatives such as spice diamond, sence or smoke?

[showtime939]

Tonight swim smoked with his gf. swim was going to a buffet and wanted to get munchies before. Swim smoked and got a terrible high. Extreme anxiety while driving, an almost burning and or pounding chest. swim was worried he would get pulled over n thrown in jail and get ass raped. swim could barely even talk at dinner. swim thought he was a piece of white trash and didn't belong at such a nice resturant..swim has low self esteem so that is probably why.

[sylvanshia]

Swim and his friends had a really scary moment once after smoking a couple bowls swim's friends started freaking out cus swim's friends just got a call saying he needed to go home. Swim and his buddies were in the middle of a park and everyone was like Holy Shit we smell like weed and his parents will know. So for like 20 minutes were just about screaming with the thought of getting caught. Swim's friend (not the one with the overprotective parents) difused the entire situation with one insanely stupid comment... he said "Its ok guys we all we have to do is cover ourselves in chewing tabbacco and say we were hanging out with lumberjacks" this comment sent us into fits of giggling for another 20 minutes then everyone was ok and it turned out allright.