Effects - High Dose of Mushrooms: Negative Thought Loops/Bad Comedown?

[avyion12]

hey. SWIM had recently taken approx 10-10.5g of shrooms. leading up to this, approximatly 4-5 hours before, swim had a huge rib dinner. when swim took 5 shrooms, swim waited 1.5 hours, and very very little happened. swim then took the remaining 5 and waiting another hour or so. then it startedto hit swim.

swim spent 4 ours watching the colbert report, dave chapelle and some tv show nathan fielder... swim then wanted to lie in bed; and proceeded with psychosis. swim thought, and thought for 5 hours in the dark to music. when morning hit(7am) swim tried to sleep. swim would drift off, then gorey thoughts entered swims head(mutilation, torture etc), causing panicing, anxiety and restlessness. after 2 hours of this, swim got up and had a very VERY heavy anxiety feeling. swim could not take it and went upstairs lie on the couch and fall asleep.

is the come down normal? or was that a result of way way too many shrooms... also, is the food the reason it took so long to start? after this experience, swim doesnt think shrooms will be happening again.

[Felix Guattari]

I've never heard of any 'comedown', 'back end' or withdrawal syndromes associated with magic mushroom use, and SWiM would describe the tail-end of a shroom trip as more of an 'afterglow'... he has never experienced it as anything negative. In fact, SWiM finds the days and hours following to be, if altered at all, enhanced by said afterglow.

10 grams, while very unlikely to cause any significant long-term problems beyond GI upset, is a very high dose. Higher dose trips tend to be/are much harder to control than lower (3.5 or less) doses. Of course, factors beyond one's control (e.g., set, setting, metabolism, tolerance, potency of given batch/growing conditions for the fungus...) can turn nearly any dose into a harrowing experience. Interaction with surroundings can also help 'ground' a tripper; lying down with eyes closed makes it much easier for one to drift off into a disconnected 'psychedelic nod' where the tripper has very little present in the way of a 'world' in which to ground himself. As the dose was high, and SWiY was in a somewhat sense-deprived state, it seems most likely SWiY simply experienced a classic 'bad trip'.

The slow onset was probably due to the big meal; food dilutes and likely somewhat basifies stomach acid, leading to slower absorption, leading in turn to a longer time until onset. SWiM would see this as something of a 'blessing in disguise', as a faster come up and harder peak could have made an already-too-intense trip far, far worse.

Hope this helped.

[Coconut]

My tree has experienced comedown before - as the visuals faded he became emotionally unstable and just felt like crying for no reason, but felt fine the next day. Perhaps this is because subconscious usually suppresses his emotions and the past few years have been fraught with pain.

10g of mushrooms is a massive dose which should have resulted in complete ego loss. Were they dry or fresh? What species?

[avyion12]

Originally Posted by Coconut

My tree has experienced comedown before - as the visuals faded he became emotionally unstable and just felt like crying for no reason, but felt fine the next day. Perhaps this is because subconscious usually suppresses his emotions and the past few years have been fraught with pain.

10g of mushrooms is a massive dose which should have resulted in complete ego loss. Were they dry or fresh? What species?

not too sure on species, but dry.

[Phungushead]

SWIM can relate to being caught in a loop thinking about gory stuff - on higher doses (5g+ [dried cubensis]) SWIM tends to go through this phase of obsessing over blood and teeth. Like to the point of tasting blood and feeling teeth falling right out. It is highly disturbing to SWIM, but thinking about other shit usually will make the thoughts go away. Ugh, that is terrible though...

So yeah, SWIM agrees with everyone that most of this was brought on by a high dosage.

And for what it's worth, SWIM has waited 3+ hours for full effects from mushrooms on a full stomach.