DONT DO Pi.LLS/ECSTASY Ki.LLS

[fakeblood]

Hands up everyone who watches the Simpsons. Keep your hands up if you manage to: take in, process and understand more than 90% of what you see and hear in an episode. If asked this before I hadstarted taking drugs, I would still have my hand up. But now I cant really claim that I watch it at all. Yes, I sit and watch episodes from beginning to end, but more often than not my thoughts will be about something other than the cartoon. Ill watch a scene and understand it, but then something in my brain decides that some sub-thought related to what I just sawis more interesting than what's currently on the screen. Ok, so the Simpsons isfairly fast-moving, but it's designed so that the 'average' human can follow it without much difficulty, right?On a bad day I will barely scratch the surface. Does anyone knowif this is a symptom of attention disorder?


I remember occasions in my highschool days when someone would be telling me an anicdote or something, and instead of listening and taking in what they were saying, I'd analyse the waythey told their story. I'd have to pretend that I understood what they'd said. Anyway,it didn't happen often and when I got olderit completely stopped. But now,sinceI started takingMDMA, the 'condition' is back and Im a little worried. Anyone know anything about this shit? Anyone recommend that i see a doctor?

[Alfa]

What does this have to do with the title that you chose? XTC certainly does not kill.


Regarding your situation. I do not know much about you, so from what I read here, I would not advise you to go see a doctor, as I doubt if the following would be understood by the doctor, but simply stop taking drugs for at least a year, take health supplements to replenish your brain and take up a activity to train your ratio. Just choose any activity you'd like that fits this purpose: math, reading informative books, etc. You can see this as a drug effect, which will go away in time.


In a nutshell: Minds on ecstacy seem to have the tendency to use another thinking patern than the causal (cause - effect) or linear paterns. Just see how easy it is for people under the effect of E, to do word games, use symbolic and intuitive thinking paterns and shift conversations in unexpected ways. Dreams and thoughts can become too weird to understand by linear thinking. On top of this, the euphory of ecstasy retracts you from reality. At least to some extent. Former effects will be stronger on certain personalities. When you use E, the state you are in, is reality or modus opperandifor your brain at that time. It gets used to / adapts to this mindframe. By the intensity of the experience this getting used to the circumstances goes much faster on E then witha clean mind.In my opinion what you need to do is refrain from psychoactives and re-adapt to normal reality. The vagueness goes away by taking good care of yourself and sharpening your ratio.

[junglist]

i know exactly what you mean mate, i can hardly follow what people are saying to me anymore, so depressed and worried about my future...


dont do pills

[Sitbcknchill]

One of my friends goes to college in Florida and one of his classes, I don't remember what it's called is completly devoted to studying the simpsons and the meanings behind the cartoon....don't know why I posted this but it just reminded me of it......Simpsons RULE....

[Rogue]

I'll agree with Alfa here, that unless you're stupid and use pills to excess, or if you drink too much/not enough then XTC is not a killer.


Take a break and it'll go away. I felt something similar when I was using too much, but after a few months off I feel fine and can concentrate normally.

[bubaloo]

i got that a while ago, when i was taking up to 6 pills a night, when i noticed that i was not really with it most of the time, i realised it was time to take a brake from it, the last pill i did was about 3 weeks ago, it is happening less now, so i might go a while more without and then maybe take them occasionally. Glad to see that this is not just me.

[IvoryQueen]

I don't think that anyone has the right to come onto a forum like this and tell start preaching and saying 'drugs are bad'. A title like that is just gonna stir up controversy.

[whatwhybecause]

to be honest i agree with ivoryqueen here. there is no way on this planet that the affects people are experiencing here are from mdma on its own. let's just highlight a few hometruths here:


* mdma in pill form is NEVER pure (therefore the other agents that are binding it are probably more to cause for the things you experience than the actual mdma itself)


* taking other drugs as well (the majority of people take other substances as well; seeing as no academic research has been conducted on cross-drug taking, don't you think this may also have something to do with the things you are experiencing?)


* environmental effects (other things that are going on in your life, after taking mdma may seem to crowd your mind a lot, lot more than usual - it is probably thinking about such things as financial worries, loss of a family member etc. that is making you feel s**t)


* overuse but not overdose (it's been scientifically proven that it's virtually impossible to od on pills, however ou is very, very common. it's relating to the old serotonin levels scenario again that's been discussed numerous times on all sites re ecstasy- moderation is the key)


* ignorance (it's imperative that you know what you're getting yourself into and what the sideeffects of taking mdma are; ignorance certainly is NOT bliss in this case)


the only thing i can say that would cause these symptoms after taking mdma is if your serotonin axons have been broken down or have regrown in mutation form, thus serotonin (the body's natural happy juice) is not created as much, or simply not at all. this can only happen through extensive overuse though and hasn't even been proven in humans to date anywhere in the world.


hope this helps and reiterates the fact that simply blaming E can't be done; it is nota killer (royal society in uk 2004 reports that two people died from known ecstasy use: both cases related to hyponethemia (blood clotting due to drinking too much liquid))Edited by: whatwhybecause

[fakeblood]

Six friends and I started taking Ecstasy approximately 6 months ago. We have all suffered from undesirable cognitive side-effects. Admittedly I have abused the drug, but my friends haven't. I have unwiselfy taken 7-8 pills in a night on two occasions, butmy friendshave never takenmore than 2 pills, anduse only every 4 weeks or so.


Here is a list of some of the problems im experiencing:


memory difficulties, disjointed racingthoughts, inability to concentrate, anxiety, mood-swings, shakey hands, excessive sleeping, and more.


I find myself contemplating a lot more than I used to. Instead of applying my mind to what Im doing now, Ill be wondering about something unrelated. Its more or less like being continuously stoned. Also, the shift between waking-state and sleep-state isnt clean like it used to be. And one more thing: sometimes a random memory, unrelated to what Im thinking at the time, will pop into my head. Theyre usually memories of dreams that I had years back. A friend also gets this, and he has only done E on three occasions. Anyone know what the fuck this is? I havent had a pill since the New Year, 4 months ago. Ive beeneatingwell and exercising regularly, but the problems still persist.


Ive smoked weed on and off for the last three years. But i'd always find taht once i'd stop for a few days, my mindwould beas clear and sharp as before I'd started smoking. I didnt have any concentration problemsormood swings whatsoever before Ecstasy.


One of my friends claims to have never experienced any form of depression in his life before taking Es - he's a well-rounded, happy-go-luckyguywitha superb intelligence. Ever since Es however, he has the odd day where he's feeling really low. He also says that sometimes his mind goes 'blank', where he's thinking about nothing. I can certainly relate to that. The only other drug he has put into his body is weed, but that was more than a year ago. He's taken pills on four occasions with at least a 4-5 week gapbetween each,taking only one or two pills each time.


Take Ecstasy and enjoy the wonderful experience for the few hours it lasts. Butknow thatthere's a good chance that itwill lead to some degree of chemical imblances in your brain. If you have a robust brain, you should be ok as long as you use moderately. If not, youre susceptible to suffering from side-effects that could disrupt the quality of your life. Anyone who says otherwise is talking rubbish.

[billbong]

Just choose what u want, carry on doing wot ur enjoying, or do what alfa suggested. I've used xtc at least 50 times (don't wanna lose magic, so fuck doin em every week) and never had that problem. I do have adhd (attension deficit hyperactivity disorder. i wont guess any possible disorders. Maybe try ritalin or adderall. On the other hand maybe u jus need a break

[Juu2]

Pills fry your brain, o well there fun.

[fletch]

im like that and its not from pills i think thats what pot does but maybe it is mdma too. or combination of all drugs. its kind of annoying but you get pretty used to it, its really just the fact your prolly spaced out teh all time, you can pretty much tell any drug user by there eyes, there either glistening with life from the drugs and off in there little world or just genereally spaced out from not being high, basically high on life thinkin about all the little things, then well gettin high again later.

[par excellence.]

Am I the only one who thinks 'fakeblood' is a troll and is purposely trying to get on people's last damned nerve here?

[fakeblood]

I wasntpurposely trying to get on anyone's nerve, 'par excellence'. I was saying what I thought. Relax, my friend.

[fakeblood]

>I don't think that anyone has the right to come onto a forum like >this and tell start preaching and saying 'drugs are bad'. A title like >that is just gonna stir up controversy.



So, Im not allowed to say 'drugs are bad', right? That would be an absolutely wrong comment for me take make, right? I assume thatI can say 'drugs are good', correct? But, doesnt that have the potential to 'stir up controversy'?


Drugs are great. So great in fact, that you shouldeat/drink/smoke/snort/inject as many as you possibly without dying every single day of your life. What will be the outcome?Your life will begin to suffer. Think:health, finance, relationships.


Drugs can be good, but almost only when used in strict moderation.What percentage of a human population can achieve this? 30, 40, 50%? Not enough. Not near enough. Did you know that the NHS spend approx. 60% of their time on drug-related problems?

[par excellence.]

You didn't mean to get on anyone's nerves? Sure. That's why you're posting totally random bullshit such as:



Im not going to listen to you, billbong. I can tell by the way you type
that youre a retard, which the majority of people on this forum are.

wow, if you don't like it so damn much, leave.



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Fuck it. Fuck it. Fuck it. Fuck speed.
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Drugs are bad, and everyone knows it.



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Stop taking meth, my friend. Its dirty.



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Fcuk drugs



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Buy yourself one of those strap-on fake cocks. They come with a
container to store liquid. Maybe u can use it on ur girlfriend too, or
she could use it on u.You like anal? I heard it hurts.







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I have 7 grams of the finest Columbian coke. Who wants some?



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and other things in extremely sarcastic tones at inappropriate times.
no one asked whether you thought drugs were bad or not as a whole and
whether or not _you_ think _they_ should quit. this is a forum for
information, not zany off-the-wall trolls to come in and babble and
post idiotic things that do not, in any way shape or form, pertain to
the original post. if you want to be a funny man, there's a 'funny
shit' and 'some for all' section on the forum.


Edited by: par excellence.

[X-Dream]

Still has nothing to do with killing. Fact is more people die of prescription drugs every year by a landslide over ecstasy deaths. I find it funny that fakeblood says he's retarded from rolls and not the pot which is notorious for making you a lil slow. If you can't keep up with the simpsons, you really need to lay off the weed. If you don't like X, it doesn't work well for you, there's an easy solution. DON'T TAKE IT





BTW par excellence, I'll take some of those g's

[IvoryQueen]

Last year in the UK, 33,000 people died due to binge drinking, where as only 3 people died as a result of XTC.


Is it really that bad?!?

[hogg]

Whats funny to me that one judges their capability to percieve abtract and complex cognitive thought by how fast one can comprehend an episode of the simpsons... Which is entirley funny because of its close relationship to pop culture... Try eating 3 pills and watching Family Guy... Now theres a true test of one's cognitive ability! HA! LOL

[radiometer]

Originally Posted by IvoryQueen

I don't think that anyone has the right to come
onto a forum like this and tell start preaching and saying 'drugs are bad'.
A title like that is just gonna stir up controversy.

There's a word for it, it's called "trolling." FB certainly smells like a troll to
me.


FB, you have 6 friends, who've only taken ecstasy 6 times in 6 months,
and they have cognitive problems? Bullshit. Or maybe it's that number of
the beast coincidence.Edited by: radiometer

[akcom]

While I am not one to deny that studies have shown a correlation
between LONG TERM use of MDMA and nerve damage, I do not think the
average recreational user has anything to worry about.

[hogg]

Originally Posted by radiometer

There's a word for it, it's called "trolling." FB certainly smells like a troll to
me.


FB, you have 6 friends, who've only taken ecstasy 6 times in 6 months,
and they have cognitive problems? Bullshit. Or maybe it's that number of
the beast coincidence.

I agree... who writes the word anicdote anyway

[CrestCreeper]

Well I have been using drugs forabout 4years now....smoked weed nonstop since that time. Did Meth quite a bit for a couple months. Done my fair share of Adderall. Did Coke about 5 times (a time being continuous lines for about 12 hours) Have shroomed 6 times, always an eighth. Oxycontin a handful of times. Vicodin,Codeine,Ritalin,Valium and Xanax have also crossed my path. And I have rolled only5 times(which isnt good considering I first did it4 weekends ago, and have gone through 10 pills). Im sure there is something I forgot to include.


Now Im not sure whichdrugs damage the brain,but I am a living testimony-Drugs really do make you stupid. When I say stupid, I don't mean less wisdom or common sense. I mean slow thinking,blanking out,not being able to concentrate,spacing out,no motivation to doanything that doesn't involve a swisher.


If you have ever gone to a drug treatment program, rehab, or a Narcotics Anonymous (NA) meeting, you know that there are some people there that just aren't right. Maybe its the 40 year old guy who looks like he's 70 but acts like an 8th grader. Perhaps its the guy sitting right next to you with that blank, far off look in his eye that never goes away.And Ive noticedthat there aremore people in these types of programsthat have a hard time reading than those who read fine. It just doesn't seem right to seea guy in his mid 30'strying to read a paragraph,sounding out some ofwords with limited success whileI help him with some of the more challenging words like succeed or determination.


Now I'm not some square telling you drugs are bad,quite the opposite in fact; but drugs will turn you retarded. You might be able to roll a blunt in 5 seconds, eye out a few grams of bud without a scale, or know more about prescription drugs than a pharmacist-but when youhave that science test on your desk and you have absolutely no idea what youre looking at because every class you have either skipped to get high, or just not payed attention because you were thinkin about gettin high, tell me drugs don't affect your brain. And maybe like me, you know this, but you still do them anyways.

[Juu2]

well said CrestCreeper

[joetaco]

Originally Posted by CrestCreeper

-but when you*have that science test on your desk and you have absolutely no idea what youre looking at because every class you have either skipped to get high, or just not payed attention because you were thinkin about gettin high, tell me drugs don't affect your brain.*

That's not drugs affecting your brain... skipping and not paying attention in class are detrimental to your learning whether you use drugs or not.

(I'm not saying drugs don't affect your brain)