Combinations - Various Mix of Ethnobotanicals: Day off Spiritual Experience

[Dracula]

SWIM has a day off of work and school next week and is planning on spending it with friends and by SWIM's self. SWIM would like to enjoy a trip that is not just a party or a nightmare, but an overall powerful experience, perhaps enlightening.

So, SWIM has the following:

Robitusssin (DXM only, 3 bottles)
Kratom (ground 25 g)
Salvia Divinorum (crude extract 50 mg)
Salvia Divinorum (1 ounce dried leaf)
Amanita Muscaria var. Formosa ( 2 g 10x resin)
Amanita Muscaria (1 ounce dried caps and stems)
Calea 'Dream Herb' (1 ounce dried leaf)
Morning Glory (200-300 dried seeds)
Datura (50 dried seeds)
Henbane (50 dried seeds)

SWIM only has experience with Salvia 10x on this list. But, SWIM would like to expand and broad SWIM's experiences. SWIM would also like to avoid the nightshades on this list and the use of alcohol during trip(s). Any input or experiences is well appreciated.

[robin_himself]

Definitly tell swim and his friends to lay off the nightshades. Also, if swiy haven't had experience with these substances on their own maybe its a good idea to try that first. There is always a next week and a next trip to combine substances but getting to know them without mixing is recommended.

But if swim was swiy.....

swim would go for the morning glory + salvia party....

[PsychoActivist]

SWIM would try to space out the dosing over about 2 hours due to nausea but would try a combination of:

-A low-mid dose of MG seeds; enough to pass the threshold but not tooooo much.
-A lower plateau dose of DXM (around 300 mg's)
-When the feelings from these begin to take effect SWIM would play with some Salvvy D.
-Maybe as an added bonus, after SWID comes down he could use a little of the calea to see what kind of dreams he has after an experience like that

If using a combination like this SWIM wouldn't really recommend anything else with it.
With the Kratom, SWID probably wouldn't feel much at all from it while on the other stuff and SWIM wouldn't touch the Henbane or Datura ever.
Unless very experienced with the Amanitas, that is something SWID should probably play with by itself.

Also, If using a combination like this SWID may want to consider having some Dramamine or some Diphenhydramine handy in case of nausea (taking it only as directed not for recreation.)

Another thing to consider would be having someone with SWID. Combinations like this can be dangerous and it is always wise for one to have someone with them in case anything goes wrong.

Have fun but be safe first and foremost. And please do post an experience report, whatever SWID decides to do.

Again, SWIM would just take the deliriants and throw them away. Scopolamine and Atropine are nothing to play with.

[enquirewithin]

Sounds like a potential recipe for disaster (the original idea) to me at least. The word that comes to mind is TOXIC. The most likely effects would likey be deleruim and/ or nausea.

Datura and henbane are dangerous. They both include tropanes, highly dangerous deleriants. Not many enjoy the effects, which are more delirious than psychedelic. Morning glory seeds are also highly unpredctable, some produce no effects, some send people to ER.

If SWIY has not tried these individually first, it would be highly wreckless to combine them.

[Felix Guattari]

I'd third the above warnings against doing so much as touching nightshades whilst on all that. I'd say similar things about touching nightshades period.

Given that list, what SWiM'd do is kick things off with some MGs (3-400 ground and extracted in lemon+water for 45-60 min.) and a low dose of DXM. I'd say a lowish dose of kratom might actually be good, for the sake of mitigating some of the drowsiness often caused by LSA's. If SWiY is going to throw amanitas in the mix. I suggest they be smoked, as it might be best not to put any more stress on your liver, kidneys and such than DXM may already be exerting.

I'd also second the addition of diphenhydramine (50 mg?) for nausea, but cannabis will do that job a hell of a lot better, even just a gram or so over the course of the day.

If I were to suggest any (legal) additions, it would be nitrous and kava; the first for taking with the Salvia (which I've been told by SWiM is intense), and kava for 're-grounding' after a day of tripping.

If SWiY leaves out the toxic nightshades (not safe, and pretty much never fun) and goes easy on the amanitas (could be too much if oral, and not something SWiM would feel comfortable mixing with DXM), it should be a fairly safe time.

enquirewithin: do you have a reference for the 'mg seeds sending people to the ER' statement? Intuitively, it seems to me that if this has happened it was someone's overreaction to either a bad trip or accompanying nausea. I suppose there's also potential problems with the mild vasoconstrictive effects in cases of either a pre-existing condition or interaction with other meds.

As an afterthought, I don't think it would be so awful to combine some of these on the first time, just so long as you stagger the doses somewhat throughout the day and gain at least a little familiarity with some of them on their own.