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Is This the End For Spice?
According to an article in today's Hotpress magazine, the Spice range is about to bite the dust. The text of the article is below, with the relevant bit highlighted in bold.
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Re: Is This the End For Spice?
That happened quickly.
I suppose the answer is to stock up now. |
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Well I don't see how they'll actually ban it without finding out which cannabinoid is in spice, if they just ban the product then what's to stop the Psyche Deli coming out with a re-branded spice?
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BTW, this has nothing to do with the authorities; it was a mistake on the part of Pysche Deli. |
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This is sickening, Smoke will be next i imagine. which makes me slightly depressed.
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i am already finding it hard to find supplies of spice,both diamond and gold.
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Re: Is This the End For Spice?
Does anyone have access to this article: http://www.hotpress.com/politics/fro...s/5030974.html ?
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Re: Is This the End For Spice?
That's the text of the article in the first post. Unfortunately, the Hotpress site is only open to subscribers.
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Re: Is This the End For Spice?
Is this only taking effect in Ireland? or will it affect the whole of the UK?
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It will affect everywhere I would say |
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Re: Is This the End For Spice?
and this - note that Ice Bud is supposedly diluted Spice, and even if not, all the arguments below would apply to almost all blends: a UK ruling [and Spice is made in UK]:
"URGENT NOTICE Dear The MHRA, acting on behalf of the Licensing Authority has considered all information available to it and gives notice that it has determined that Ice Bud is a relevant medicinal product and subject to the provisions of The Medicines For Human Use (Marketing Authorisations) Regulations 1994 (S.I.1994/3144). A relevant “medicinal product” is defined in Article 1 of Council Directive 2001/83/EEC as: “Any substance or combination of substances presented as having properties for treating or preventing disease in human beings Any substance or combination of substances which may be used in or administered to human beings either with a view to restoring, correcting or modifying physiological functions by exerting a pharmacological, immunological or metabolic action, or to making a medical diagnosis” The MHRA takes the view that Ice Bud has the capacity to significantly affect human physiology thus satisfying the second limb of the definition, for the following reasons: It contains Blue Lotus (Nelumbo nucifera also Pink Lotus) which has been used in traditional Chinese medicine for centuries. All parts of the plant are pharmacologically active and it is used to treat a wide variety of ailments but is best known as a vasodilator and in the treatment of sexual dysfunction. It contains Lions Tail (Leonotis leonurus also Motherwort, Dagga) which is a well known and documented medicinal plant. It has numerous traditional uses in African medicine and is used as a substitute for cannabis being mildly narcotic. It contains Lousewort (Pedicularis canadensis also Wood Bettony) which has documented medicinal use in the treatment of a wide variety of ailments. The roots are tonic, cardiac and stomachic. A tea is used in the treatment of stomach aches, ulcers, diarrhoea, anaemia and heart. The roots are also, allegedly, aphrodisiac. It contains Indian warrior (Pedicularis densiflora) which is native to North America where the buds are sold for smoking which produces a tranquillising, sedative and aphrodisiac effect. It contains Dwarf skullcap (Scutellaria nana) which is native to western America. Its pharmacological properties are that it is strongly sedative and mildly euphoric but it is not used medicinally now. It contains Maconha brava (False marijuana) which is a well known and documented hallucinogen It contains Marshmallow (Althaea officinalis) which is a well known and documented medicinal herb in many native traditions. It is a mucilaginous herb used to sooth and soften and promote healing. It has established and well documented use in reducing inflammation of the digestive and urinary tracts. It contains Siberian motherwort (Leonurus sibericus, Marihuanilla, Little marijuana, Siberian mugwort, Chinese motherwort) This plant has several known and documented pharmacological actions and is widely used medicinally; it is antispasmodic, cardiac, depurative, diuretic, emmenagogue, hypnotic, nervine, stimulant and tonic, amongst other things. Clarification, help and advice Please do not hesitate to contact me on the above telephone number if you wish to clarify the reason for this determination. Required action In accordance with section 3 (1) of The Medicines For Human Use (Marketing Authorisations) Regulations 1994 (S.I.1994/3144), no relevant medicinal product shall be placed on the market unless a marketing authorisation (formerly Product Licence) has been granted for it. To do so is a criminal offence. You must now stop marketing Ice Bud in the UK with immediate effect and must cancel all advertising and promotion including internet promotion and sales. You should confirm in writing, within fourteen days of the date of this letter, that you have made the necessary arrangements. Please provide copies of your company's notices or letters setting this in motion. Unless your company expressly undertakes, in writing, to act in accordance with the Licensing Authority’s Determination, the matter will be referred for consideration of proceedings in the criminal courts" Last edited by bravedog; 16-11-2008 at 21:29. |
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These letters seem to be pouring in all over the UK, relating to hundreds of herbal highs. Especially wholesalers and large stores are getting them. See this thread: Medicine Agency: all "Legal highs" are illegal medicines by definition.
Better stock up, cause it seems that all herbal highs are going down in the UK. |
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Any news for the future of Spice in the US? I've talked to a distributor and he feels that he'll continue to sell successfully for quite some time. According to him, business keeps picking up.
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As far as Spicealikes produced in the US, there is controversy on whether they are dependent on Spice and its extracts as their core ingredients. They claim not, and if this is true should be able to continue producing and vending barring new Federal and state laws or discovery of specific ingredients the government attempts to prosecute as analogs [difficult in my opinion though others see that differently]. However, during a Spice shortage last year, a number of Galaxy and herbhut [American] blends also suddenly were in short supply. I consider all their provenances likely related somehow. |
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Here is the reason: Medicine Agency: all "Legal highs" are illegal medicines by definition.
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also, other smoking mixes are still on sale. |
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The smokeables which are still on sale are using the incense defence. At least one major distributor has sent out reminders that the products are strictly to be described as incense. They will attempt to argue that since the substances in themselves aren't illegal, and since they are explicitly stating that they should not be consumed, that the incense is therefore legal. This is a pretty good defence, though Psyche Deli have trademarked spice as a herbal smoking blend, which rather blows the defence out of the water, for them at least.
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Re: Is This the End For Spice?
doesn't water fall foul of that definition by it's metabolic action of altering physiology by causing hydration?
mind you it's also a substance useful to terrorists so it's illegal through that too. caffeine is very definately a "legal high". swim just finished their kratom and now can't import anymore. i hate these fucking idiots, that really is it - i am leaving the uk now. just because of their retard drug policy. i would like to murder them but it's just not worth throwing my life away over. and can we call that pratt Grainne Kenny Granny from now on? any suggestions on any european countries which have less retarded policies? (i.e. VERY liberal) Last edited by discodave; 21-11-2008 at 23:09. |
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There are allot of things being said about this, From what i have found out is that the psyche deli have sold there spice brand to a Dutch company. They will be taking over production of the Spice blend and have already been producing spice arctic and tropical.(they did not produce enough of this product) Demand for these products have been very high, yet they have been concerntrating on producing "Genie" (New blend) and Yucatan ( formally known as yucatan fire).
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Re: Is This the End For Spice?
Though some experience reports suggest not, the name "Spice Synergy" suggests a reformulation of Spice actives onto 2 new herbal bases as a response to these legal pressures; have you heard if this is what Synergy is? thanks
Last edited by bravedog; 22-11-2008 at 18:37. |
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